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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:27:00 -
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So, dear beta-labrats. Are any of you actually doing this? And is it as responsive as on the PC?
And does this even work?
I already heard rumors that it-¦s not working. Though I-¦m clueless if it-¦s because the guy couldn-¦t get the general mouse/keyboard setup working on his Ps3 or if it-¦s Dust that-¦s not compatible.
Thnx in advance for any info. |
Hurtado Soneka
Vindicare Temple
7
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:19:00 -
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dust aint on PC its ps3 exclusive
and yea the devs have said a few times it will be keyboard mouse capatible |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:23:00 -
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Well the simple explanation is its a beta, not a demo like all the other "beta"s that have been going around lately. Stuff is actually worked on like [NDA] and [NDA] but what was really awesome was [NDA]. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
8
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:16:00 -
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I have had a keyboard and mouse plugged into my PS3 (mainly for the browser) since 2006. It works fine. |
Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.06.11 13:43:00 -
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KBM controls have been confirmed for DUST514. Anything past that is an NDA breach and only complete morons would break the NDA on the EVE forums. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
532
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:29:00 -
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Zalifer Esepula wrote:KBM controls have been confirmed for DUST514. Anything past that is an NDA breach and only complete morons would break the NDA on the EVE forums. So technically 90% of all EVE players. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:18:00 -
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I dont believe keyboard and mouse will be ever allowed in Dust. Simply because its far too superior over pads, the majority will play with - pad players would just get wtfpwnd to dust by keyboard/mouse players. Or they gimp mouse/keyboard down to the usability of pads, which probably isnt what people want when they ask for mouse/keyboard support.
Epic Megagames allowed Mouse/Keyboard controls in Unreal Tournament 3 for consoles, however there were separate servers afaik. This is what I cant think of in Dust. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:05:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:I dont believe keyboard and mouse will be ever allowed in Dust. https://twitter.com/ccp_jian/status/166730014933516289 Woowwwah wah waaaaaah. Yet thankfully every PS3 has a USB outlet, sooo, its not like everyone couldn't, you know, use the KM/M if they feel it really offered an advantage. Same as paying for a MLG $100 customizable controller for an edge. Isn't that just as unfair as not using a standard dual shock? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
327
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:24:00 -
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yeah they maybe *will support it*, for navigating menus or something. Like I said its too much an advantage that they could allow it in mixed matches. Dont compary some sh*tty pad to another sh*tty pad, pad is still pad, they are playing in a completely different league compared to KB/M, if dual shock, tripple shock or quadruple shock, whatever they all sh*t. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
497
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:50:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:yeah they maybe *will support it*, for navigating menus or something. Okay dokey smokey. We will allll find out soon enough. |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.06.13 09:24:00 -
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another option I brought up they will support it but nerf the fukc out of the mouse, like put down the sensitivity to the turn rate of a pad stick or something like that. yes, we will see.... or even better - you will see - I wont play it anyways because ~consoles are shiiiiiit~ |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:15:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: I wont play it anyways because ~consoles are shiiiiiit~ Then... why do you even care or even provide an opinion on something you don't even use?
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
328
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:57:00 -
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just because I play eve and this dust is related to it somehow |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2012.06.16 17:15:00 -
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I see, thanks again for the albeit indirect answers. Really didn-¦t want to cause any NDA problems for you beta testers.
Actually a bit surprised it still includes such an already announced feature.
Guess the decision to join dust will have to wait till I hear how the actual live keyboard&mouse gameplay works out. I sure as hell won-¦t be playing an FPS with a stupid pad. |
Arbitrator
Nova Runners
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Posted - 2012.06.16 19:18:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote:Guess the decision to join dust will have to wait till I hear how the actual live keyboard&mouse gameplay works out. I sure as hell won-¦t be playing an FPS with a stupid pad.
This is my only issue with the game. I absolutely hate playing FPS with the PS3 pad.
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Bulyeowoo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.17 06:51:00 -
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Yeah, kb/m is 100% confirmed. I can't go into any more detail about that without breaching nda. If you have a key just check the beta forums. |
Litair
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:09:00 -
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FPS on consoles is an abomination in the first place, it's not by accident auto-aim features became common practice with the popularization of console FPS titles. It's quite simply physically impossible to aim well with a joystick that limits the speed at which you can look around. It's only righteous justice if the gamepad people will get their incompetent butts handed to them by mouse users. ^^ |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
94
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:19:00 -
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Litair wrote:FPS on consoles is an abomination in the first place, it's not by accident auto-aim features became common practice with the popularization of console FPS titles. It's quite simply physically impossible to aim well with a joystick that limits the speed at which you can look around. It's only righteous justice if the gamepad people will get their incompetent butts handed to them by mouse users. ^^
Stop being a mindless pc elitist. Just stop. I don't even wanna get into this right now, but this "rawr, I'm so cool because I game on PC and consoles are so lame lolololol" mentality needs to stop.
It's the mentality of a child and it isn't helping anyone or anything. Grow up and learn some actual facts before you start going on rants.
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Litair
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:59:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:Litair wrote:FPS on consoles is an abomination in the first place, it's not by accident auto-aim features became common practice with the popularization of console FPS titles. It's quite simply physically impossible to aim well with a joystick that limits the speed at which you can look around. It's only righteous justice if the gamepad people will get their incompetent butts handed to them by mouse users. ^^ Stop being a mindless pc elitist. Just stop. I don't even wanna get into this right now, but this "rawr, I'm so cool because I game on PC and consoles are so lame lolololol" mentality needs to stop. It's the mentality of a child and it isn't helping anyone or anything. Grow up and learn some actual facts before you start going on rants.
I am a PC elitist, but in this case I was being factual. Arcade and racing games (possibly more I forgot to mention) work wonders on consoles with gamepads. FPS and strategy games does not have any place with gamepads however, they require incredible speed and precision at the same time, which only a mouse can deliver. I'm not hating on gamepads, it's just they're designed for something different. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2012.06.22 01:43:00 -
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Litair wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:Litair wrote:FPS on consoles is an abomination in the first place, it's not by accident auto-aim features became common practice with the popularization of console FPS titles. It's quite simply physically impossible to aim well with a joystick that limits the speed at which you can look around. It's only righteous justice if the gamepad people will get their incompetent butts handed to them by mouse users. ^^ Stop being a mindless pc elitist. Just stop. I don't even wanna get into this right now, but this "rawr, I'm so cool because I game on PC and consoles are so lame lolololol" mentality needs to stop. It's the mentality of a child and it isn't helping anyone or anything. Grow up and learn some actual facts before you start going on rants. I am a PC elitist, but in this case I was being factual. Arcade and racing games (possibly more I forgot to mention) work wonders on consoles with gamepads. FPS and strategy games does not have any place with gamepads however, they require incredible speed and precision at the same time, which only a mouse can deliver. I'm not hating on gamepads, it's just they're designed for something different.
Quoted for factual justice. Elitist mentality doesn't affect physics. KB/M is superior for shooters. Wait... you'll see for yourself.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
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Domer Pyle
Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
10
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:33:00 -
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Famble wrote:Litair wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:Litair wrote:FPS on consoles is an abomination in the first place, it's not by accident auto-aim features became common practice with the popularization of console FPS titles. It's quite simply physically impossible to aim well with a joystick that limits the speed at which you can look around. It's only righteous justice if the gamepad people will get their incompetent butts handed to them by mouse users. ^^ Stop being a mindless pc elitist. Just stop. I don't even wanna get into this right now, but this "rawr, I'm so cool because I game on PC and consoles are so lame lolololol" mentality needs to stop. It's the mentality of a child and it isn't helping anyone or anything. Grow up and learn some actual facts before you start going on rants. I am a PC elitist, but in this case I was being factual. Arcade and racing games (possibly more I forgot to mention) work wonders on consoles with gamepads. FPS and strategy games does not have any place with gamepads however, they require incredible speed and precision at the same time, which only a mouse can deliver. I'm not hating on gamepads, it's just they're designed for something different. Quoted for factual justice. Elitist mentality doesn't affect physics. KB/M is superior for shooters. Wait... you'll see for yourself.
QFE. i was terrible at the console halo games for this very reason, but i found games like smuggler's run 2 to be much more fun with a controller |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
336
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:16:00 -
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pad controllers dont suit FPS nature well, thats all. Mouses do - whats the reason why I do not believe that CCP will ever fully support it without gimping it in some way, they would simply betray or at least put their primary customer base, who usually, for the major part of them, dont play with keyboard/mouse, into a massively disadvantageous position opposed to few KBM players by allowing a vastly superior but in the same time untypical input devices for the target platform. |
Sol Oman
Ship Trading Company Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:29:00 -
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mouse and keyboard in dust means no fun for controller guys any more, which are about 90% of the playerbase
CCP better think twice about this |
Joneleth Rein
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:05:00 -
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Famble wrote:Litair wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:Litair wrote:FPS on consoles is an abomination in the first place, it's not by accident auto-aim features became common practice with the popularization of console FPS titles. It's quite simply physically impossible to aim well with a joystick that limits the speed at which you can look around. It's only righteous justice if the gamepad people will get their incompetent butts handed to them by mouse users. ^^ Stop being a mindless pc elitist. Just stop. I don't even wanna get into this right now, but this "rawr, I'm so cool because I game on PC and consoles are so lame lolololol" mentality needs to stop. It's the mentality of a child and it isn't helping anyone or anything. Grow up and learn some actual facts before you start going on rants. I am a PC elitist, but in this case I was being factual. Arcade and racing games (possibly more I forgot to mention) work wonders on consoles with gamepads. FPS and strategy games does not have any place with gamepads however, they require incredible speed and precision at the same time, which only a mouse can deliver. I'm not hating on gamepads, it's just they're designed for something different. Quoted for factual justice. Elitist mentality doesn't affect physics. KB/M is superior for shooters. Wait... you'll see for yourself.
I'm sure there are people whose pride is hurt to hear that but different tools are made for different things. Sure you'll find the odd player who has mastered the typical console-controller to god-like but the fact is he/she will be utilizing a far inferior tool to achieve that (in FPS).Pros to them anyway.
But to deny the fact that KB/M are perfect for FPS is like closing your ears and going "lalalalalalallala". And it has NOTHING to do with PC and elitism but with controller types and each game and if you wanna nerd it more it's about action to achieve.There are even players going hybrid for that reason alone (aiming with mouse and action control with an analog pad). It's important to differentiate . And this is a fact whether anyone likes it or not and also a major issue for all game developers going cross-platform. Do you really think it would be an issue if they were equal or at least close to equal?
Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:09:00 -
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yes shooters on PC are better... if the primary console for gamers was an N64.
console is far superior. get over yourself. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
585
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:27:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:yes shooters on PC are better... if the primary console for gamers was an N64.
console is far superior. get over yourself.
So... are you still chugging away with a win98 PC? |
JS LiamElms
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:01:00 -
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hahahahhahaha
i remember playing doom with just the keyboard... not sure which one it was we were playing at the time when i went to a LAN day at some dudes work and got my ass handed to me on a plate, which shortly followed by a mouse on a plate. that day was a revelation!
i've never been able to play fps on consoles because i find it so inferior to kb/m setup which is so standard on PC's. if ccp are trying to create a awesome game and push the boundaries of game playing (which they really want to do) its very unlikely they would go and restrict it to 15yr old tech..
just saying |
Durethia
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
1
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:05:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote: Stop being a mindless pc elitist. Just stop. I don't even wanna get into this right now, but this "rawr, I'm so cool because I game on PC and consoles are so lame lolololol" mentality needs to stop.
It's the mentality of a child and it isn't helping anyone or anything. Grow up and learn some actual facts before you start going on rants.
It's not a matter of being "cool". No console can ever compare to the capabilities of a PC gaming box. Maybe in the distant future, but not to day and not in the foreseeable future.
The last time home game consoles graphics were just as good as desktop computers, we are talking about the days of Tandy computers, CGA graphics cards, Coleco Vision and Atari 2600s.
For half the cost of any new game console, you can buy a whole PC that can display far better graphics at higher resolutions.
Bottom line, claiming a game console can even come close to a PC in graphics quality implies you're simply blind. DUST514, here in 2012 drops down to 720p on the PS3 making the graphics look crappy with absolutely no anti-aliasing.... I remember running Quake II at 1152x864 all day long with no global pixel artifacts due to down scaling. I can't even remember running 3D games below 1024x768 resolution, for years I ran all Unreal Tournament games at least 1600x1200.... why in 2012 does a PS3 ever down scale game to this 1280x720 crap resolution?
The Mouse and Keyboard is far superior to the game pad design. The Game Pad designs were all designed for 2D game play from Galager to Super Mario Bros; never mind it was a focused input I/O device with limited capability. They never were designed for navigating a 3D environment, and still aren't to this day. The PS3 controller is an absolute horror of a UI device when it comes to 3D navigation and perspective.
The only advantage of a home game console is that all the classic game companies that created games for the classic consoles like Atari, Nintendo... continue to port games over to these crappy console systems because they don't have to push the envelope. They can write crappy games that don't scale to high resolutions, they can write stupid games that don't take advantage of new OpenGL and DirectX specifications. They can write and forget games that are for years bound to ever aging hardware (I refer to the extraordinary life time of the PS2 in comparison to computer graphics/gaming). These companies continue to write a log of games for these systems, so they have a lot of inventory.
It's not being elitist pointing out the facts and shor, it's being truthful. |
Kelarlee
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.07.12 13:41:00 -
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As Litair has said there are games that the PS3, Wii, Xbox are good for and then there are games like FPS and strategy games where keyboard and mouse excels.
I have been a PC gamer since 286 PC's and I have also tried the PS3 and Xbox with controllers for FPS games. I personally cannot stand an FPS on a console. I went and got COD and MOH for both consoles and I could not stand the controls.
I got PS3 for Dust 514 mainly residing that I will have to use a controller. I am happy that Keyboard and Mouse will be included but how they do it to make it fair is another thing to wait and see. |
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