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PiratesBiteMe
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Posted - 2009.10.20 01:38:00 -
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Call it a cry thread if you wish. I have a question about the rules.
wardecs are fine, all fair and level. canflipping, a game mechanic.
but is ramming people mining for 2 hours considered harassment? since its not a built in game mechanic for attacking, but a side effect of skirting around the edge of it to disrupt and harass people without any risk to yourself from concord.
was wondering as its been near impossible for me to mine, and seeing as im a new character, attacking isnt an option. as me vs a 3 year old character is a lose-lose situation.
I move he follows me system to system ramming me at 4k a second.
-------------------- If pirates can force me to play their way (PVP) by attacking me.. I should be able to force them to play my way (mining for hours with me) if I win. |
AvaAlt
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Posted - 2009.10.20 01:43:00 -
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Couldnt have anything to do with your name, could it...?
4/10, original!
PS. Yes, if its truly for 2 hours, and they follow from system to system, if he is impeding gameplay (knocking you outta miner range) it is harassment. But cmon...if that is indeed the name of your toon, what did you expect?
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PiratesBiteMe
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Posted - 2009.10.20 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: AvaAlt Couldnt have anything to do with your name, could it...?
4/10, original!
PS. Yes, if its truly for 2 hours, and they follow from system to system, if he is impeding gameplay (knocking you outta miner range) it is harassment. But cmon...if that is indeed the name of your toon, what did you expect?
if it was the name of my main perhaps. but ive been around the forum long enough to know people take forum ingame, and bridge the gap of conversation to ingame disruption. not looking to attract the others wanting to join in.
-------------------- If pirates can force me to play their way (PVP) by attacking me.. I should be able to force them to play my way (mining for hours with me) if I win. |
spudzonatron
GeoCorp.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: PiratesBiteMe if it was the name of my main perhaps. but ive been around the forum long enough to know people take forum ingame, and bridge the gap of conversation to ingame disruption. not looking to attract the others wanting to join in.
Wait, you're an alt? Shoot him with your main....
inb4eveispvpgame
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Disunia Vertas
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.20 10:58:00 -
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If he is bumping you out of laser range or stopping you from warping without the possibility to actually engage you (highsec), its the same as bumping freighters around rly. Petition it.
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Mr Siman
Spawn More Overlords
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Disunia Vertas If he is bumping you out of laser range or stopping you from warping without the possibility to actually engage you (highsec), its the same as bumping freighters around rly. Petition it.
Yep. Bumping freighters with intent to engage is legal. Bumping freighters "just-cuz" is not. I'd assume the same rule would apply to just about anything.
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DONJUAN v
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.10.20 19:44:00 -
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petition is never the option .
the real solution is convo me ingame and move your alt into a real man corp (mine) . this will allow you to mine in places where a bumping ship wont dare to show up. and where you can actualy make decent isk out of it
DONJUAN v protector of miners all across the map
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.10.20 19:52:00 -
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pvp hulk, suprise the basterd
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.10.20 20:04:00 -
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All he's doing is griefing you.
That's against the game rules - call for a GM and get his butt banned.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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ChinaWillGrowLarger
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 20:22:00 -
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These threads always reek of fail.
This is the situation:
If he is bumping you just to grief you then you can petition his actions.
HOWEVER,
If he is being paid by a third party to disrupt the minerals market in the area, or to reduce competition from other miners in a system (the competition being you), then what he is doing does not breach the EULA in any way.
Likewise, if he is doing it to try and force you out of that system or belt so he can mine it then his actions are justifiable under the EULA. My Mitnal lies over the ocean My Mitnal lies over the sea My Mitnal lies over the ocean Oh bring back my Mitnal to me |
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Riame
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Posted - 2009.10.21 19:54:00 -
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I don't see how this is legit. It's a riskless action aimed at disrupting another characters play. If you want to attack miners to prevent them from mining, that's legit. If you just want to bump them ad nauseum, it's harassment.
How'd you like it if I followed you from belt to belt in 0.0 and repped the rats you were hunting?
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Disunia Vertas
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.22 08:50:00 -
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I'd pod your ass.
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Hex'Caliber
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.22 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hex''Caliber on 22/10/2009 09:08:22 ***EDIT*** responded to wrong bloody thread Regards HexCaliber Man kinds greatest Strength and greatest weakness is HOPE
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Loco Eve
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.22 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Riame I don't see how this is legit. It's a riskless action aimed at disrupting another characters play. If you want to attack miners to prevent them from mining, that's legit. If you just want to bump them ad nauseum, it's harassment.
How'd you like it if I followed you from belt to belt in 0.0 and repped the rats you were hunting?
you will be podded b4 you could even target any rats. good analogy though. petition and ccp will send the mean bumper a warning to stop.
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari Snuggle Muffins
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:59:00 -
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If its really a 4k/s bump it's someone in a smaller ship or getting hit by a supercharged BS. Set orbit to 500 to an asteroid and bumping gets much more difficult.
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Grim Savage
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.24 09:56:00 -
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Now, let me see, you can not mine because of bumping? This I find really hard to believe, given that there are a HUGE range on the mining lasers, staying in range of some rocks should be no problem.
Now, I bump miners almost daily. (But never for 2 hours.) When ever I bump someone I have a plan on where I want the ship to end up.
Or maybe the problem is that you MACROMINE and your macro can not handle the bumps so it logs off / stops mining?
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Riame
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:47:00 -
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Or maybe you could actually read a little bit about the ships your reading? Barges/Exhumers are very slow, and a MWD cruiser can easily bump then 20km off a can. If I cannot get back to my can by the time my strips cycle, then yes, I cannot mine. And as for my 'repping the rats in 0.0 analogy', good job geniuses, you've pointed out the reason this behavior should be/is considered a violation (the miners can't fight back legally in game!)
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eXtas
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:29:00 -
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last time I checked with GM's bumping wasnt harsment.. even if you do it 23/7 to someone... just normal gameplay :( I know it can be really anoying when you got some idiot bumping you without a good reason.. be it when you are camping wartargets or mining in highsec :)
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Riame
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:32:00 -
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My issue isn't that it prevents a miner from doing stuff, my issue is that it's not considered aggro. That someone can harass you like this without possible recourse for their actions is ridiculous.
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John Caffeine
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: John Caffeine on 28/10/2009 22:24:34 Imagine if bumping caused aggro tho. Undocking a freighter in Jita would mean insta****. And if someone is bumping you around that much, find a belt with lots of asteroids, and just sit between two of them so there's no effective way to bump you. Also, you shouldn't jetcan mine anyway. Join a corp with an orca or something.
Edit: Also, highsec is no fun anyway. Bring that mining barge into lowsec. Hagilur seems to be a nice quiet system these days. And only one jump from high-sec. Perfect for mining.
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Koldosa
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Posted - 2009.10.29 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: PiratesBiteMe canflipping, a game mechanic.
Bumping, a game mechanic.
not harassment. if he was calling you hateful names or insults while doing this bumping, then that's harassment. if he's just bumping you, well, that is just a part of eve and you're gonna have to deal with it!
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PiratesBiteMe
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Posted - 2009.10.29 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: PiratesBiteMe on 29/10/2009 05:06:01
Originally by: Koldosa
Originally by: PiratesBiteMe canflipping, a game mechanic.
Bumping, a game mechanic.
not harassment. if he was calling you hateful names or insults while doing this bumping, then that's harassment. if he's just bumping you, well, that is just a part of eve and you're gonna have to deal with it!
So bumping,with a interceptor and watching you try to warp off and zipping in front of your before you get speed, to hold you there, to repeat over and over is normal game play?
Im the last to whine about idiots in games, (ever game has them) but there is no system in place for those that want to ruin a new players gameplay for the sake of doing it, while no risk to them in return?
seems the chips are stacked against new players..no way to get away with low navigation skills and a retriever, cant goto another system. as they have access to locator agents to find you, yet you cant do it to find them.
so these people can login, ram new people all day, who dont have the skills to get away. and enjoy all the rewards of doing so and annoying the new guys..with no fear at all of any negative impact or risk to them.
lovely. now dont take it as a whine, its more of a "until I can get skills to counter it, im screwed' type of situation.
by the time I get the skills to counter it, they see me as too much of a threat to do so, and have moved on to other 2 week old characters.
-------------------- If pirates can force me to play their way (PVP) by attacking me.. I should be able to force them to play my way (mining for hours with me) if I win. |
Riame
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Posted - 2009.10.30 22:09:00 -
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I agree a single bump shouldn't be cause for aggro, as leaving Jita in a freighter would be impossible, but bumping as it stands now needs a tweak. The literal equivalent of this would be if someone was leaving a station in a freighter, and you bumped them 3k away from the station, and proceeded to bump them for hours on end. They can't warp away. Is this a mechanic abuse?
I say yes. You are interfering with someones ability to play the game at no possible risk to yourself. Notice, we aren't complaining about can flipping, a game mechanic! Can flipping is a risk to all parties involved, and as such, seems fair. Bumping needs a fix, because the only person who gets hurt is the bumpee.
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Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.10.31 04:10:00 -
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Just move out of the way......
Kazang
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Kitasi
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Posted - 2009.10.31 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kitasi on 31/10/2009 08:44:00
Originally by: Riame You are interfering with someones ability to play the game at no possible risk to yourself. Notice, we aren't complaining about can flipping, a game mechanic! Can flipping is a risk to all parties involved, and as such, seems fair. Bumping needs a fix, because the only person who gets hurt is the bumpee.
The only harm I see from bumping is that it consumes the player's time and effort. This is as true for the bumpee as it is for the bumper. The bumper is spending his time to waste the bumpee's time. The risk is no greater or less than the effect. Bumping cannot be done automatically, so everybody is harmed equally. Just because you (as the victim) value your time greater that the perpetrator views their own is not material because it is subjective and you are both "playing the game."
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Kha'Vorn
Gallente Maori tribe Phoenix Awakening
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Posted - 2009.11.01 15:17:00 -
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two ****in hours? Man he must of been seriously bored or drunk
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.01 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom All he's doing is griefing you.
That's against the game rules - call for a GM and get his butt banned.
griefing is against the rules?!? i never got that memo
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: "grief play" A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersĘ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
So i guess it depends upon if he is profiting from bumping you or not, which i doubt. I say petition him.
Btw, have you tried orbiting the roids? That might help you.
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.02 04:12:00 -
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Afaik, bumping without the intent or capability to engage is petitionable
And I find it amusing how people are saying to shoot back.
Kinda difficult to shoot someone for doing something that doesn't obtain aggro. |
Rathe Kathar
Gallente Nex Somes Ubertas Venator Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.02 17:42:00 -
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Well, animals are not like people, Mrs. Simpson. Some of them act badly because they've had a hard life, or have been mistreated. But, like people, some of them are just jerks--Stop that, Mr. Simpson.
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