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Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:20:00 - [31] Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 20/10/2009 18:21:09 Originally by: Crotch Goblin This thread is boring. Lark deepthroats mazz's anal beads. I'd rather be deepthroating yours maddog but you never post anymore . Originally by: Drake Draconis So what your saying that its perfectly acceptable to make the CSM as a CSM... look like a bunch of idiots waving E-peens around at the expense of others? Thank you for that revealing bit of insight. So the actions of one member reflect upon the whole council do they. I would have thought everyone playing this game was compos mentis enough to realise that everyone on the CSM is an individual and not part of a mive hind. I suppose then because I engaged in some insider trading it means all the members of the council are? Actually lets not go there... Thanks for that revealing bit of insight into your mind Drake. EDIT: Snipe. I know you're not supposed to edit them in but I forgot to first time around so it's ok.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/10/2009 18:28:34 Again you missed the point... The CSM is a council.. a member of the council represents the CSM as a whole to the body of players. If you can't handle that... you have no business being there in the first place. If one breaks an NDA or one starts making a mockery.... it starts to give the impression to everyone else that your a bunch of asshats. And until such time you start to reflect otherwise... it's going to stick. Politics 101 - Guilty by association. Shrug it off all you want... this is what started the anti-CSM mob back in the days... and now its stronger than ever. Furthermore... the CSM's inaction in light of this either confirms... or denies said issue. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:31:00 - [33] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 20/10/2009 18:31:45 Originally by: Drake Draconis Again you missed the point... The CSM is a council.. a member of the council represents the CSM as a whole to the body of players. If you can't handle that... you have no business being there in the first place. If one breaks an NDA or one starts making a mockery.... it starts to give the impression to everyone else that your a bunch of asshats. And until such time you start to reflect otherwise... it's going to stick. Politics 101 - Guilty by association. Shrug it off all you want... this is what started the anti-CSM mob back in the days... and now its stronger than ever. What makes it worse is that none of the (supposed) decent members bother to distance themselves from that sort of behavior, which to me indicates that they either don't care (in which case why should i be convinced they care about anything else?) or that they condone it (which makes them no better than the public asshats - just better at hiding it). Either way, their silence on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the entire CSM is a joke, and should be deleted at the earliest oppourtunity. I'd rather have no player input than **ty player input filtered through a bunch of **wits. Edit: I can spell - no really. I are edumacated. --Vel In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:37:00 - [34] Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 20/10/2009 18:31:45 Originally by: Drake Draconis Again you missed the point... The CSM is a council.. a member of the council represents the CSM as a whole to the body of players. If you can't handle that... you have no business being there in the first place. If one breaks an NDA or one starts making a mockery.... it starts to give the impression to everyone else that your a bunch of asshats. And until such time you start to reflect otherwise... it's going to stick. Politics 101 - Guilty by association. Shrug it off all you want... this is what started the anti-CSM mob back in the days... and now its stronger than ever. What makes it worse is that none of the (supposed) decent members bother to distance themselves from that sort of behavior, which to me indicates that they either don't care (in which case why should i be convinced they care about anything else?) or that they condone it (which makes them no better than the public asshats - just better at hiding it). Either way, their silence on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the entire CSM is a joke, and should be deleted at the earliest oppourtunity. I'd rather have no player input than **ty player input filtered through a bunch of **wits. Edit: I can spell - no really. I are edumacated. Exactly... EVE Online may be a game... but when your tasked with the job of molding that game... it's not supposed to be treated like a game or a joke. The trouble with politicians is they end up being in it for themselves and don't give a #### about anyone else. Which is why I've started asking the question - What the heck is the point of assembly hall and jita park if all we are going to do is see CSM ignore us entirely and do as they please? If that's the case... shut the damn thing down and we can get on with our lives. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:40:00 - [35] Originally by: De'Veldrin What makes it worse is that none of the (supposed) decent members bother to distance themselves from that sort of behavior, which to me indicates that they either don't care (in which case why should i be convinced they care about anything else?) or that they condone it (which makes them no better than the public asshats - just better at hiding it). Either way, their silence on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the entire CSM is a joke, and should be deleted at the earliest oppourtunity. I'd rather have no player input than **ty player input filtered through a bunch of **wits. Edit: I can spell - no really. I are edumacated. And your vocalness on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the Eve Community (or at least in this forum) are a bunch of mouth breathing reactionist cretins with a flare for the dramatic.
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Drake Draconis Furthermore... the CSM's inaction in light of this either confirms... or denies said issue. In full honesty if I were in the shoes of the other CSMs, I would remain publicly silent about this as well. The last thing we need is for the CSM body to engage in a civil war on the forums. Take note. This is no longer a minor incident or simple harmless trolling. This has become a real and genuine fracture of the CSM process. I doubt we'll see any public action from the other CSMs or CCP anytime soon, but I bet they're discussing it right now behind closed doors. And I have no doubt that once this issue is dealt with by CCP, Mazz will reemerge and claim the whole thing was all just an act and on purpose to help promote the need for CSM reform. __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:42:00 - [37] Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 20/10/2009 13:24:03 I petitioned this and asked all the relevant people and it won't get me banned or anything. i am CERTIFIED LEGIT. For the cost of one 30 day PLEX, I will raise any issue in the Assembly hall for you. It can even be a really stupid issue. I'll write up a wiki about it, bring it to a meeting, and everything. I'm charging PLEX since you can't scam with gametime, and it seems like a pretty fair price for anyone to be able to MAKE THEIR MARK ON EVE FOREVER. so hurry up and get it. the threads have to already exist, since the next meeting is so soon. The deadline for purchasing your influence is October 24th. EDIT: you can also have me leave your name in the CSM issue("this issue was brought to you by XXXX!") or remain annonymous. your choice As if you couldn't lower the standard any further. So is there a clause for "bringing the CSM into disrepute"?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Originally by: De'Veldrin What makes it worse is that none of the (supposed) decent members bother to distance themselves from that sort of behavior, which to me indicates that they either don't care (in which case why should i be convinced they care about anything else?) or that they condone it (which makes them no better than the public asshats - just better at hiding it). Either way, their silence on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the entire CSM is a joke, and should be deleted at the earliest oppourtunity. I'd rather have no player input than **ty player input filtered through a bunch of **wits. Edit: I can spell - no really. I are edumacated. And your vocalness on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the Eve Community (or at least in this forum) are a bunch of mouth breathing reactionist cretins with a flare for the dramatic. So it is just like real politics. Thanks for the confirmation. --Vel In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Dirty Wizard Originally by: Drake Draconis Furthermore... the CSM's inaction in light of this either confirms... or denies said issue. In full honesty if I were in the shoes of the other CSMs, I would remain publicly silent about this as well. The last thing we need is for the CSM body to engage in a civil war on the forums. Take note. This is no longer a minor incident or simple harmless trolling. This has become a real and genuine fracture of the CSM process. I doubt we'll see any public action from the other CSMs or CCP anytime soon, but I bet they're discussing it right now behind closed doors. And I have no doubt that once this issue is dealt with by CCP, Mazz will reemerge and claim the whole thing was all just an act and on purpose to help promote the need for CSM reform. Wrong (Respectfully mind you) The CSM being silent is the WORST thing they can do. All they need to do is step up and clearly and simply say they do not agree nor condone Mazz or lark or anyone else's actions for that matter and apologize or at least attempt to come to some sort of level playing field for the community at best. For them to be silent is to keep people guessing... and we all know where that goes. I always tell me members.. if you make me guess.. I always choose the worst... possible.. guess. So don't make me guess because that's the wrong conclusion. The silence or further encouraging of these stupid little games only makes them look even more guilty than before. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:20:00 - [40] I think the OP pretty much confirms that the CSM is a complete joke managed by clowns. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:48:00 - [41] Anyone that is willing to spend the money for a plex or a GTC to have a subject brought to light by a CSM will probably make sure that the topic is worth the money. Well at least I would hope so As for it being a scam. It very well may be, but as with all of EVE that is the chance the customer takes. Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer And your vocalness on the subject only serves to exacerbate the perception that the Eve Community (or at least in this forum) are a bunch of mouth breathing reactionist cretins with a flare for the dramatic. I sense a fairly dramtic post here myself Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
OwlManAtt Gallente Yasashii Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Drake Draconis All they need to do is step up and clearly and simply say they do not agree nor condone Mazz or lark or anyone else's actions for that matter and apologize or at least attempt to come to some sort of level playing field for the community at best. I hate to break it to you, but Lark isn't a CSM delegate. ``All they need to do'' is apologize every time a random EVE player does something that somebody else doesn't like? Are you even thinking before you click the poast buttan? --- Owl
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:35:00 - [43] Originally by: OwlManAtt I hate to break it to you, but Lark isn't a CSM delegate. He was CSM and resigned. It was the resignation and circumstances surrounding it to which Drake was referring. (Try and keep up with the scandals.) http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=692
ceaon	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:41:00 - [44] what mazz is doing here is offer a service (or something like that) for eve players, anyone can post a thread on Assembly Hall you dont get the attention you wanted well build your e-fame like mazz did and you will get the attention you want
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:45:00 - [45] What do you call a female who sells themselves to perform a service?
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Marlona Sky What do you call a female who sells themselves to perform a service? Prostitute and whre are not* gender specific terms.
RedSplat Noir.	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Marlona Sky What do you call a female who sells themselves to perform a service? Politician? Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:54:00 - [48] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/10/2009 20:55:25 Originally by: OwlManAtt Originally by: Drake Draconis All they need to do is step up and clearly and simply say they do not agree nor condone Mazz or lark or anyone else's actions for that matter and apologize or at least attempt to come to some sort of level playing field for the community at best. I hate to break it to you, but Lark isn't a CSM delegate. ``All they need to do'' is apologize every time a random EVE player does something that somebody else doesn't like? Are you even thinking before you click the poast buttan? Hate to break it to you... but you should learn to read before you click that "poast" button as you call it. Lark was CSM and certainly shows an air of currently on CSM even if not officially... and anyone with the sense to READ would know that. As for the statement about the CSM... that's just a suggestion at best. The point is silence is the worst possible move they could make now... even if they where putting on a show of support it would at least be something... positive or negative. Even I know no matter of words would make up for it as its way to late... but sitting there on there hands and not doing anything is still a very bad move. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:59:00 - [49] First to Lark. If you can call any member of the CSM a "politician", then who exactly do you think they represent. Even a president who gets elected by a margin of 1% still represents the other 49% who voted against him. This holds true to any politician. Mazz is not only representing those that voted for him, but the scores of others who didn't. I have to agree with Drake on this, in that when you are helping to mold a game (that we all pay for mind you) it affects other people playing that game and thus a certain amount of decorum must be maintained. This action is reprehensible because he should be bringing up concerns of the playerbase anyway. What the hell else is his job other than to bring up ways to improve the game from the playerbase? I fail to see this as anything but a slap in the face from a person who is supposed to be helping make our game world a more fun place to be. One man acting alone is one thing and can possibly be shrugged off as a stunt or a joke or god forbid an actuality, but what if a time comes where the only way to get input to the CSM is to pay one of them off with a PLEX? Why should we trust them based upon that? Why should CCP listen to them? And why should CCP listen to Mazz right now if he is willing to do this?
Raivi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:03:00 - [50] Dear all the angry posters in this thread: You complete me. <3 ---------------------------------------------
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:03:00 - [51] In before "Welcome to EVE"
Drakan290	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:11:00 - [52] Welcome to EVE
OwlManAtt Gallente Yasashii Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Drake Draconis Lark was CSM and certainly shows an air of currently on CSM even if not officially... Confirming that anybody who posts like a long-winded psuedo-intelligent douchebag on the Assembly Hall is being mind-controlled by the council to promote their secret agenda to destroy Drake. --- Owl
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:54:00 - [54] Shows some character. Legal or not, joke or not, the suggestion is appalling. 169 dead caps caught on video
Yunnan Gold	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:03:00 - [55] Well she has no obligation to raise an issue that someone tell's her to, so this makes sense.
Wolf Parade	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:04:00 - [56] Edited by: Wolf Parade on 20/10/2009 22:04:10 supported
Carebear Caring	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:06:00 - [57] I assume people are doing this behind closed doors anyways so why not make it public.
Mynxee Minmatar Hellcats The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:19:00 - [58] This thread belongs in the Sell Orders or Jita Park Speakers forum. Respectfully request that a moderator move it. Bump It! \| My Blog: Life in Low Sec
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:46:00 - [59] Qualitywise you could also move it to CAOD ...
Such'A'Kawaii'Morning Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:48:00 - [60] Every morning is a kawaii morning with maz-ill-ooh in the csm! Supporting this for future mornings!!

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