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MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:31:00 - [1] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 20/10/2009 19:35:43 Well, we have Mazzilliu, in this thread, "selling" issues that need addressing for in-game items (PLEXes). No big deal if it's meant as a joke. If it's not, is there a way we could "impeach" elected players? Edit: If it is a joke I have to admit it's kind of funny and we've been trolled by CCP . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Suas It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O. Wow, do you mean that? I'm the worst poster on ALL of Eve-O? That is quite an honor. I'm flattered . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:01:00 - [3] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 20/10/2009 21:01:30 Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: LaVista Vista It doesn't matter for the process if money was exchanged or not to have an issue raised. If the issue isn't worth raising, the majority of the CSM will vote it down. The exchange of ISK doesn't make a difference. Only as long as the majority of the CSM can't be bought. I wonder how long it will take till all or most of them can be bought. Will be interesting to see if or how it will be limited, if it spreads... This. Someone with enough isk (or real life money for that matter) can theoretically bribe enough CSMs to bring up an issue. Ironically enough, the CSM was created to curb this kind of stuff (remember T20?) Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:59:00 - [4] I think some may be confusing in-game actions with out-of-game actions. CSM position = REAL-LIFE POSITION to better a product for its customers. Trading PLEX's (IN-GAME ITEM) = IN-GAME ACTIVITY. And Akita T, the difference is that for out-of-game actions there are consequences. In this case there doesn't seem to be any for abusing an elected position. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 23:04:00 - [5] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 20/10/2009 23:05:09 To Dirk Mortice, Quite possible. But considering Larkonis Trassler did about the same not too long ago it isn't that far fetched. In any case, being elected to CSM is now paving the way for idiots to present fictitious platforms only to then sell their positions for isk or whatever else they can. CSM, where being elected is like winning the isk lottery. Sweet. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 23:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: MatrixSkye MkII I think some may be confusing in-game actions with out-of-game actions. CSM position = REAL-LIFE POSITION to better a product for its customers. And I think there is no confusion: if someone campaigns on the platform "I want to see more scams, corruption, illegality and general wickedness in-game", then an out-of-game (or perhaps more accurately meta-game) scheme such as this one only shows the candidate's dedication to his stated platform. As such, he's doing exactly what he's been elected to do. Um, you do realize the difference between playing a pirate in-game and acting one in real life? Any one person with enough money (real or isk) can influence the direction of the game. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.21 00:00:00 - [7] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 21/10/2009 00:00:49 Originally by: Slade Trillgon So why do you not give her a plex and let her raise the issue with the CSM Sorry, had to do it, but I hope you know where i was going with that one. Touche . Well played sir. Well played. Quote: Then again if someone is willing to pay for an idiot idea to get presented to the CSM, I would laugh at them and hope the rest of the CSM would laugh the request out without taking much time at all. This assuming none of the other CSMs has already been bought. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.21 00:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Jason Edwards Nothing in the rules afaik that stops mazz from doing that. Also with PL backing... mazz will get reelected if she runs again. So the joke is on you OP. Actually, the joke is on all of us. Some just don't know it yet. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.21 00:47:00 - [9] Now that it's pretty transparent what the CSM could be and is all about I won't be supporting nor counting on them. But I suspect CCP will still be putting some level of support on them and the issues they bring up, and this is unfortunate considering time will be wasted on unimportant issues while genuine and pressing concerns may be left in limbo as a result. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.21 01:05:00 - [10] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 21/10/2009 01:06:59 Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer You'd be naive to think that everyone who runs for the CSM is a selfless bastion of justice who doesn't have their own individual agendas or issues they wanted pushed through on behalf of their corp/alliance. Just look at every individual's campaign thread for God's sake. Realistically speaking I know you're right. That's just how things are. But still, I'm a bit of a dreamer. So lesson learned, I suppose. Quote: You'd be foolish to think that the CSM will devolve into some 'Cash for issues' get rich scheme where genuine, valid and pressing issues are ignored. I don't know what the CSM will evolve or devolve into. What I do know is that the potential is not only there, but it comes into fruition when **** like this happens and it is going unchecked. It's all good. Hey, more power to her. I think it's a shame though. But as someone said a few posts above (Tippia?), that's politics for ya. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.21 11:57:00 - [11] Come on now, be fair. LaVista Vista served his terms with respect and honor. It's these new clowns that are ruining it for the rest. I actually thought the first CSM was decent. Didn't follow up with the rest although I did continue to vote. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.21 14:57:00 - [12] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 21/10/2009 14:59:29 Cpt Branko, it is your opinion that the CSM was a stupid idea. Personally, I think it was a genuine attempt from CCP to reach its playerbase and allow us to be part of the decision-making process, even if in a very limited way. But hell, I don't know of many companies out there that even allow its customers to part-take in such a direct role. And I think the first term (and even maybe 2nd term?) was a pretty damn good CSM, everything else considered. But the clowns being elected, in my opinion, are the ones that are making the whole CSM look like a bunch of rtards cashing in at the expense of the entire playerbase. And if that's the direction the CSM is taking then might as well dissolve them so that their resources can be put to better use elsewhere. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!

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