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Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:43:00 -
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My null sec cloaky.
Step 1 : Train cloaking.
Step 2 : Fit Cloak to ship.
Step 3 : Get to Null Space.
Step 3.1 : Activate Cloak.
Step 4 : Never log off.
Step 5 : Go to EvE Fourms and look at some feedback.
Step 6 : Enjoy.
Step 7 : Play EvE on your alt account.
what yall think? not to sure on the low slots yet |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
100
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:44:00 -
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IBTL
/fail thread
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
74
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:45:00 -
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This looks strikingly similar to a previous post.
Also try my fit.
[Buzzard, New Setup 1] [empty low slot] [empty low slot]
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:46:00 -
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You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
147
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:02:00 -
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oh so THATS how you fit a cloak to a ship. Ok. I was putting a covert ops cloak on my abaddon because i had all the lows filled with Co-processors. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1130
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:17:00 -
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op should cloak thread like he cloaks his ship |
strenif
Caldari War Machine STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:32:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet.
I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
91
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:37:00 -
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strenif wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
What if I wrote a script that warps me around and creates random safespots and does that all the time from uptime to downtime? Would this be against the EULA? Would this **** you off even harder than me just sitting there cloaked. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7841
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:41:00 -
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They're an excellent counter to local.
Granted, it would be better if local was fixed so you didn't have to waste alts on subverting it, but stillGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:22:00 -
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Step 1: Fit invul fields on my Tengus. Step 2: Fit Warp Disruptor IIs on my Tengus. Step 3: Have non-rat-specific faction ammo in cargohold. Step 4: Ignore hostile with poor kill history in local. Step 5: ??? Step 6: Profit. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
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Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
114
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:32:00 -
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strenif wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
Its only bad if you allow stuff like this to happen to you. |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
74
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:36:00 -
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Calfis wrote:strenif wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down. Its only bad if you allow stuff like this to happen to you.
or this |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:40:00 -
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Perfectly acceptable tactic. If you can't handle a tiny bit of risk in 0.0 then you don't belong in 0.0 or EVE for that matter. AFK cloakers with no combat capability can be ignored and those that hunt for targets can be baited and killed. |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:47:00 -
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I think the biggest prI think the biggest problem that people have with afk cloaking is the lack of counter. Everything should have a counter. Rock-paper-scissors-lasersword, whatever mechanic you want to have, a counter needs to exist.
ItGÇÖs kind of like carebears who ***** and moan about infinite hulkageddon. There are ways to protect yourselves people, learn how.
If your intent is to afk grief a system in 0.0, then whatGÇÖs the counter? Right now, there is none.
Now fixing afk griefing should be part of an overall rework of Local mechanics. As much as IGÇÖm an advocate of changing cloaking in a way as to make infinite afk cloak griefing impossible, I also donGÇÖt want cloaking nerfed into oblivion either. |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
74
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:49:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:I think the biggest prI think the biggest problem that people have with afk cloaking is the lack of counter. Everything should have a counter. Rock-paper-scissors-lasersword, whatever mechanic you want to have, a counter needs to exist.
ItGÇÖs kind of like carebears who ***** and moan about infinite hulkageddon. There are ways to protect yourselves people, learn how.
If your intent is to afk grief a system in 0.0, then whatGÇÖs the counter? Right now, there is none.
Now fixing afk griefing should be part of an overall rework of Local mechanics. As much as IGÇÖm an advocate of changing cloaking in a way as to make infinite afk cloak griefing impossible, I also donGÇÖt want cloaking nerfed into oblivion either.
As much as I hate to say it, I do believe the counter is local. At least, local not having a hard counter itself, has been ingeniously countered by the afk cloaker, which has no counter. |
King Aires
Coffee Sipper's Club Biggby Coffee Fan Club
19
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:50:00 -
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strenif wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
What about the sov holders that go AFK in their stations out there in 0.0
Should we fix that mechanic too, make those guys auto undock once an hour so roaming fleets can get kills?!
Give me a F-ing break, no one is perfectly safe, a cloak can be subverted by getting close to the ship, it is not my fault you don't know where said ship is.
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
91
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:50:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:I think the biggest prI think the biggest problem that people have with afk cloaking is the lack of counter. Everything should have a counter. Rock-paper-scissors-lasersword, whatever mechanic you want to have, a counter needs to exist.
ItGÇÖs kind of like carebears who ***** and moan about infinite hulkageddon. There are ways to protect yourselves people, learn how.
If your intent is to afk grief a system in 0.0, then whatGÇÖs the counter? Right now, there is none.
Now fixing afk griefing should be part of an overall rework of Local mechanics. As much as IGÇÖm an advocate of changing cloaking in a way as to make infinite afk cloak griefing impossible, I also donGÇÖt want cloaking nerfed into oblivion either.
Set a trap. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
724
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:52:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:oh so THATS how you fit a cloak to a ship. Ok. I was putting a covert ops cloak on my abaddon because i had all the lows filled with Co-processors. Oh man I wish this actually worked. Warping cloaked gank abaddon would be hilarious. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:00:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote: AFK cloakers with no combat capability can be ignored and those that hunt for targets can be baited and killed.
For the love of GodGǪ
An answer like this is the height of stupidity. Tell me, that cloaker that is sitting in your system, how do you know heGÇÖs:
a)Afk or not b)Combat capable or not
The answer is you canGÇÖt. Therefore the prudent pilot must assume that the person is not afk and is combat (or at least hot drop) capable. That effectively shuts down any activity by the prudent pilot.
Kijo Rikki wrote:As much as I hate to say it, I do believe the counter is local. At least, local not having a hard counter itself, has been ingeniously countered by the afk cloaker, which has no counter.
I'll agree that since local does exist in its current form, it has no counter, and it needs to be changed. However, that doesn't mean that afk cloaking isn't a good solution. Two wrongs don't make a right. I would rather both be changed so that an equitable solution is found. Cloaking becomes a viable ambush tactic (pilots not auto-warned by local), while at the same time give potential victims a chance to evade their pursuers. This is why I am against the immediate outright removal of Local as many seem to advocate, as it would give anyone an effectively 'free cloak'.
Along with all of this is a chance to D-Scan mechanics, as spamming D-Scan every 5 seconds for hours at a time is just as awful. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1017
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Posted - 2012.06.11 21:11:00 -
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King Aires wrote:What about the sov holders that go AFK in their stations out there in 0.0
Should we fix that mechanic too, make those guys auto undock once an hour so roaming fleets can get kills?! You'd have to force them to log in as well.
Actually, what about making those stations destructable ?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.06.11 21:36:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Vaal Erit wrote: AFK cloakers with no combat capability can be ignored and those that hunt for targets can be baited and killed. For the love of GodGǪ An answer like this is the height of stupidity. Tell me, that cloaker that is sitting in your system, how do you know heGÇÖs: a)Afk or not b)Combat capable or not The answer is you canGÇÖt. Therefore the prudent pilot must assume that the person is not afk and is combat (or at least hot drop) capable. That effectively shuts down any activity by the prudent pilot.
Step 1. Check pilot age Step 2. Check corp history Step 3. Check sec status Step 4. Check Eve-kill Step 5. Check Eve-info Step 6. Check eve board
Surprisngly said information will tell you if pilots engages in combat, how often they engage, what they engage with, how skilled they are with what they engage, and what they like to engage.
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
67
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Posted - 2012.06.11 21:39:00 -
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strenif wrote:
I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
So how exactly can you tell if someone is afk while cloaked?
Also, the counter to cloaking is you can't attack while cloaked. This means that so long as they are cloaked, they can't do anything to you. So in essence, you are complaining about a mechanic, that when used, can not inflict any harm to you. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:07:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:strenif wrote:
I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
So how exactly can you tell if someone is afk while cloaked? Also, the counter to cloaking is you can't attack while cloaked. This means that so long as they are cloaked, they can't do anything to you. So in essence, you are complaining about a mechanic, that when used, can not inflict any harm to you. Yep. The fact they have to decloak just after batphoning and just before tackling and cynoing means it isn't the cloak that's the problem.
Welp, here's to GD. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:10:00 -
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strenif wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
Oh yeah.
When I'm cloaked you shouldn't be able to tell that I'm ******* there. You're on the wrong end of the bitching buddy! |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
67
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:22:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:strenif wrote:
I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
So how exactly can you tell if someone is afk while cloaked? Also, the counter to cloaking is you can't attack while cloaked. This means that so long as they are cloaked, they can't do anything to you. So in essence, you are complaining about a mechanic, that when used, can not inflict any harm to you. Yep. The fact they have to decloak just after batphoning and just before tackling and cynoing means it isn't the cloak that's the problem. Welp, here's to GD.
LOL! It also means they weren't afk. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:24:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:strenif wrote:
I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
So how exactly can you tell if someone is afk while cloaked? Also, the counter to cloaking is you can't attack while cloaked. This means that so long as they are cloaked, they can't do anything to you. So in essence, you are complaining about a mechanic, that when used, can not inflict any harm to you. Yep. The fact they have to decloak just after batphoning and just before tackling and cynoing means it isn't the cloak that's the problem. Welp, here's to GD. LOL! It also means they weren't afk. There you have it, it's perfectly balanced. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
524
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Posted - 2012.06.12 00:01:00 -
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OMG OP just broke 0.0!
not |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2012.06.12 00:29:00 -
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Hyperr wrote:My null sec cloaky.
Step 1 : Train cloaking.
Step 2 : Fit Cloak to ship.
Step 3 : Get to Null Space.
Step 3.1 : Activate Cloak.
Step 4 : Never log off.
Step 5 : Go to EvE Fourms and look at some feedback.
Step 6 : Enjoy.
Step 7 : Play EvE on your alt account.
what yall think? not to sure on the low slots yet
I can think of some better things to do with that account. Less pacifist, more violent. More fun. . |
Hyperr
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:58:00 -
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hmm |
Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:00:00 -
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Hyperr wrote:My null sec cloaky.
Step 1 : Train cloaking.
Step 2 : Fit Cloak to ship.
Step 3 : Get to Null Space.
Step 3.1 : Activate Cloak.
Step 4 : Never log off.
Step 5 : Go to EvE Fourms and look at some feedback.
Step 6 : Enjoy.
Step 7 : Play EvE on your alt account.
what yall think? not to sure on the low slots yet
Do that in a goon mining system and i'll give ya 10isk.
What? Goons don't mine? Well blow me, i thought they were an indy alliance.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1614
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:01:00 -
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It's not my fault that people in Tengus are afraid of my T1 BC.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2012.06.16 20:17:00 -
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strenif wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:You should make a few more of these posts. I don't think enough people care yet. I care. AFK cloaking is a bad mechanic. If you are in 0.0 you shouldn't be be able to make yourself permanently safe from attack (unless you're docked). A PoS can be blown up, and blob can be counter blob'ed, a safe spot can be scanned down.
Eve isn't fair- Soundwaffe |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.17 00:22:00 -
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Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes wrote:Do that in a goon mining system and i'll give ya 10isk. What? Goons don't mine? Well blow me, i thought they were an indy alliance. Do it in VFK it's the *premier* target.
Want to headshot the goons and die in a fire? You go to VFK.
Want to give DBRB some excitement? You hotdrop into VFK
Want to station trade in nullsec? You dock in VFK.
Want to AFK cloak? ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Dimitryy
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
54
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Posted - 2012.06.17 00:34:00 -
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This was more fun when things could be unscannable. Some people will rat with an unknown cloaked ship in local, very few will rat with a known hostile Sleipnir on scan at a safespot. |
Lenore Leelu
Obsidian Dynamics
14
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Posted - 2012.06.17 01:43:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Vaal Erit wrote: AFK cloakers with no combat capability can be ignored and those that hunt for targets can be baited and killed. For the love of GodGǪ An answer like this is the height of stupidity. Tell me, that cloaker that is sitting in your system, how do you know heGÇÖs: a)Afk or not b)Combat capable or not The answer is you canGÇÖt. Therefore the prudent pilot must assume that the person is not afk and is combat (or at least hot drop) capable. That effectively shuts down any activity by the prudent pilot. Kijo Rikki wrote:As much as I hate to say it, I do believe the counter is local. At least, local not having a hard counter itself, has been ingeniously countered by the afk cloaker, which has no counter. I'll agree that since local does exist in its current form, it has no counter, and it needs to be changed. However, that doesn't mean that afk cloaking isn't a good solution. Two wrongs don't make a right. I would rather both be changed so that an equitable solution is found. Cloaking becomes a viable ambush tactic (pilots not auto-warned by local), while at the same time give potential victims a chance to evade their pursuers. This is why I am against the immediate outright removal of Local as many seem to advocate, as it would give anyone an effectively 'free cloak'. Along with all of this is a chance to D-Scan mechanics, as spamming D-Scan every 5 seconds for hours at a time is just as awful.
a) you dont b) check kill mails - assuming someone saw his name as he jumped into your system...
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
825
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Posted - 2012.06.17 01:51:00 -
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I wonder...
When those risk averse null folks who dock up when there is one neutral in local go to high sec... do they have an aneurysm? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1038
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Posted - 2012.06.17 02:45:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I wonder...
When those risk averse null folks who dock up when there is one neutral in local go to high sec... do they have an aneurysm? You only shoot when the FC says to, and when the target is blinking red.
Also, turn off the outlaw thing because apparently it's buggy and you can still get CONCORDed.
Obviously, if you're ganking you don't need blinky red. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2012.06.17 02:56:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I wonder...
When those risk averse null folks who dock up when there is one neutral in local go to high sec... do they have an aneurysm? Why would we want to go to high-sec unless we're burning Jita or helping miners evolve their play style? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1217
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Posted - 2012.06.17 02:59:00 -
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i was just in amarr buying some ice crap and I saw Corina Jarr in local enraptured by this one npc corp guy who was going on in local about how he got trapped in a wormhole once so he kept killing the wormhole dwellers for weeks until they gave him a bm exit or something lol so anyways here's to you fellow eve-gd poster o7 o7 |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
981
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Posted - 2012.06.17 03:00:00 -
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hiseccers tell tall tales in local? color me shocked eh |
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