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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2009.10.30 03:14:00 -
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I have 17 GTC's...can I help?
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.10.30 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Stupid McStupidson I have 17 GTC's...can I help?
Actually you probably could... -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.10.30 10:28:00 -
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The price of GTC is actually very HIGH:
1) They used to be much cheaper before introduction of 60day GTC.
2) Market is so choke full of them even CCP is upset; aka people are reluctant to buy at current price.
3) As mentioned above, you can make order of magnitute more ISK in RL than NPCing. EvE PvE is fun but is it ten times more fun than refilling shelves?
On a side note, aside from RMT trading (pretty clean, without much of detrimental RMT effects), PLEX are great way for new player to borrow money - turn your first GTC into PLEX, use one, sell the other, buy back PLEX when you can afford it. This needs PLEX to move on the market while the price really does not matter all that much.
This is funny with games and kids, they try to get too much for their stuff for no good reason and when they cannot they cave in at a much lower price because frankly it hardly has fraction of the value they associate with it. Hi OP.
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Ebanni
Ebanni Mercantile
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Posted - 2009.10.30 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna I agree, something needs to be done about trit prices! OP pointed out the exact problem, tritanium is TOO CHEAP!
Price should start rising soon... I mean, that *IS* the whole point of "Hulkageddon", right?
Or maybe HULK prices needed a massage...
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.10.30 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ebanni
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna I agree, something needs to be done about trit prices! OP pointed out the exact problem, tritanium is TOO CHEAP!
Price should start rising soon... I mean, that *IS* the whole point of "Hulkageddon", right?
Or maybe HULK prices needed a massage...
"Thank you helicity for organizing this economic stimulus package!"
You are very welcome! There will be more...
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ginlene This really comes down to math.
Eg. If I work an hour of overtime at my job, I take home after taxes (Canadian) about $20. If I work two hours at my job, I can buy 600m isk, which would take me about 15 hours, assuming I can rat 20m an hour. So, assuming this is correct, It would still be useful for me to buy GTC and sell them at a price of 40m isk, assuming I had unlimited overtime.
Even minimum wage people theoretically could still make buying GTC worthwhile for under 100m for 60 days. Assuming they hate their job, and eve is more fun even when ratting, a price of 200, 300, 400m is very reasonable.
It's only so high right now because people prefer spending 15 hours ratting to working an extra few hours.
Some of us also can't increase our income by picking up extra hours at work (salaried). Some businesses in the current economy are lowering your hours (or kicking you out entirely). Others prefer to play the game instead of buying ISK with real money.
But if you can work an extra hour to buy your PLEX to sell, more power to you.
Personally, I think PLEX should net 50 Billion ISK, just for me.
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Jessie Jacobs
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Posted - 2009.10.30 23:51:00 -
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GTC's are an item on the open market, hence supply and demand dictate their worth.
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Chani Kwyna
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Posted - 2009.10.31 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Jacobs GTC's are an item on the open market, hence supply and demand dictate their worth.
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Apotamkin
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Posted - 2009.10.31 17:50:00 -
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Supply and demand my ass.
There is always lots of demand for GTC's. More than enough to raise prices and keep them up there. But you can't deal with chaos or a system that just plain makes no sense. Like the EVE in game economy. As long as GTC and PLEX exist in EVE injecting instant isk into wallets with outside RL money no one can really make sense of it imo.
Many people come on the GTC market forums and want isk "RIGHT NOW" and don't want to wait or do a bit of work and marketing on the boards. So they will undercut other sellers by stupid amounts losing millions of isk. Why lose a million isk if you can avoid it? Or any amount? ThatÆs real money there your buying isk with. Get all you can! :) Or is mission running for a month more fun? :)
Why do you never see prices for 599m, 589m, 587.5m and so on? People are lazy? Can't count that high? :)
Why would some noob buy a $35-$40 GTC with RL ca$h and not want the MAX amount of isk for it? Like at least 800m-1B? But what happens is noobs will undercut other sellers and really each other by 20-30-50-100 million Isk. Crazy amounts of isk lost just to get that in game item "RIGHT NOW".
I think the GTC market is primarily driven by sellers who are new players and still think 500m isk is being rich LOL and players who hate the in game isk making mechanics. Lets be honest other than PvP Eve is pretty darn boring to most people.
GTC buyers are generally well established players and corps who can throw around 650m-800m-1B isk without blinking. Yeah they are also cheap which is why they are rich but given no choice they will buy them for the higher price because they can and who wants to spend RL money if you don't have too. Addicted players will also act irrationally and that is a who other conversation.
CCP is getting rich off GTC's and they have no incentive to make the game better or easier when people will just keep buying GTC because they don't want make isk in game for whatever reason and the less isk sellers make off of GTC the better because because it won't be long before that seller who wants a 1 billion in game shiny item or wants to replace his pvpÆd BS will be buying more GTC's
CCP got ya by the balls :) Addicted players will always pay :) Blizzard knows this all to well.
Carrot on a stick :)
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.10.31 17:58:00 -
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why do people even reply to those pointless threads? Cant you just ignore it and let it go to die at page 2?
(yes, i am aware of the fact that i just replied to a pointless thread. thanks for reminding me)
Julian
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Apotamkin
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Posted - 2009.10.31 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll why do people even reply to those pointless threads? Cant you just ignore it and let it go to die at page 2?
(yes, i am aware of the fact that i just replied to a pointless thread. thanks for reminding me)
Julian
+1 for another pointless post.
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Wieting Foyu
Gallente Foyu Trading World
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Posted - 2009.11.01 08:58:00 -
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No one in their right mind is going to pay more for a gtc than you pay for 2 plex off the market. Especially the smart ones that are in MD.
As stated before, if it takes more time to make the isk than it would to just work for the monthly fee I won't buy a plex/gtc. If you feel your 35 bucks is worth 600m then keep relisting and keep relisting and keep relisting and keep relisting. I am sure a buyer will follow your logic and be happy to pay more than he/she has to.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.11.01 10:20:00 -
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I find it hilarious that ppl want twice what a plex makes for a gtc- if im going to buy an item that has limitations- I PAY LESS Works great if all i want is gametime. And with the insanely high volumes of plexes and gtcs sitting around unused you can expect the price to drop even further.
I recently bought 5 gtcs off the forum- for less then 500 mill each. I wont be paying that much again anytime soon. If you guys want to sell- lower your prices. WHO IS WITH ME! BOYCOTT GTCS that are more expensive then 450 mill per!
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Apotamkin
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Apotamkin on 01/11/2009 18:19:52
As GTC prices rise PLEX prices rise more. Always have. PLEX is always more expensive that GTC and they should be because they are so convenient.
Though I don't remember how expensive PLEX was last summer when GTC were going for 800m plus and can't log in right now to check. But it was not cheap, maybe equal.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.11.01 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Apotamkin Edited by: Apotamkin on 31/10/2009 17:57:03
Supply and demand my ass.
You really don't have a clue do you?
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testirania
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Apotamkin Edited by: Apotamkin on 01/11/2009 18:19:52 Though I don't remember how expensive PLEX was last summer when GTC were going for 800m plus and can't log in right now to check. But it was not cheap, maybe equal.
Now lets see.. that cant be so hard to figure out. GTC == 60 days PLEX == 30 days If GTC price is 800M then PLEX price must be 400M
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Fongg
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Posted - 2009.11.02 05:46:00 -
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the 60 day etc prices are dependent on the 30 day plexes in game. If you want them to go back up to 600 mil, just buy a bunch of plexes in game :)
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Ebanni
Ebanni Mercantile
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Posted - 2009.11.02 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Ebanni
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna I agree, something needs to be done about trit prices! OP pointed out the exact problem, tritanium is TOO CHEAP!
Price should start rising soon... I mean, that *IS* the whole point of "Hulkageddon", right?
Or maybe HULK prices needed a massage...
"Thank you helicity for organizing this economic stimulus package!"
You are very welcome! There will be more...
OMG, what will be next... ORCAs mayhaps? Helicity, dahhhh-ling, those could use some "stimulus", too.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.11.02 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ebanni
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Ebanni
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna I agree, something needs to be done about trit prices! OP pointed out the exact problem, tritanium is TOO CHEAP!
Price should start rising soon... I mean, that *IS* the whole point of "Hulkageddon", right?
Or maybe HULK prices needed a massage...
"Thank you helicity for organizing this economic stimulus package!"
You are very welcome! There will be more...
OMG, what will be next... ORCAs mayhaps? Helicity, dahhhh-ling, those could use some "stimulus", too.
Have hulk prices EVER responded significantly to ganking spurs? I doubt it.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.02 16:17:00 -
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Sellers don't dictate 'value.' Buyers dictate 'value.'
Something is only as valuable as what someone else is willing to pay.
The ironic part of all this is that the OPs logic is how so many marketeers are able to make isk station trading.
KB
Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. |
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Billia
Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction Emergence.
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Posted - 2009.11.02 18:52:00 -
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Ok i will teach u all a lesson that has been over looked. 3 months ago GTC were 800mill a piece. To buy isk illegally on websites it cost 20$ for 1B isk. 2 months ago china passed a law saying there will be no more illegaly selling fake money i.e. isk/gold. Prices for 1B isk went up to 70$ which in return made it cheaper and safer for your account to buy and sell plex's instead of taking a chance with isk farmers. This demand in response brought down the price of the PLEX's. There is ur answer.
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Caldet'ore
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Posted - 2009.11.07 01:41:00 -
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Oh Please
Cry some more of those wonderful tears.
I'll freeze them and sell them on the ice market, So not only will you lose money with your GTC but I should be able to power a DG Tower in a class 5 WH being put into reinforce everyday with those wonderful painful tears.
MUHAHAHAHAHA
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Apotamkin
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Posted - 2009.11.23 05:59:00 -
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