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Belloch
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Posted - 2009.10.29 21:51:00 -
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One thing that I've noticed is a lot of folks seem to autopilot A LOT.
One thing that really helped me when I was starting was when someone told me that I didn't need to autopilot to get around.
Basically set your destination, look for the yellow gate, right click on the gate and click Warp to 0. This is also known as flying at "best speed".
You will then warp directly to the gate, eliminating the need for your ship to "approach" the gate for several seconds before jumping.
To some folks this is an obvious thing, but a lot of folks read what the tutorial says and that's as far as they go until someone tells them differently.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.29 22:18:00 -
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It's a built-in intelligence test.
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ddooxx
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Posted - 2009.10.30 01:51:00 -
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It depends on what you value and what you are trying to optimize. WT0 can easily take less than half as much "wall time" as AP. AP can take much less "human time." Instead of spending 600 seconds doing WT0, some people prefer to spend a second to click on the AutoPilot and then spend the next 1200 or 1500 seconds reading email, forums or using a second account to station trade or grind level 4s. Certainly people who have nothing better to do with their life should WT0.
The OP pointed out two truths:
1) Regarding MMO time-sinks, while it may not seem like it when you do more than one storyline mission in a day, EVE Online has less grinding than other MMOs but unfortunately it does consume (waste) more player time with the travel time-sink than many MMOs.
2) WoW has more elves but fewer trolls than EVE Online.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.30 01:58:00 -
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 Originally by: ddooxx
It depends on what you value and what you are trying to optimize. WT0 can easily take less than half as much "wall time" as AP. AP can take much less "human time." Instead of spending 600 seconds doing WT0, some people prefer to spend a second to click on the AutoPilot and then spend the next 1200 or 1500 seconds reading email, forums or using a second account to station trade or grind level 4s. Certainly people who have nothing better to do with their life should WT0.
Very True - I sometimes use autopilot if I'm just heading somewhere to pick something up and I have nothing of value on board (provided it's high-sec). I can go make dinner or feed the dog or something.
If I have anything of value, WT0 and concentration is important.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.30 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
It's a built-in intelligence test.
very true, this guy failed it I heard later that his nerd rage was fantastic, turns out he was in a corp with a few ex idle, ah well, not blue shoot it 
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My Postman
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Posted - 2009.10.30 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Belloch
One thing that I've noticed is a lot of folks seem to autopilot A LOT.
One thing that really helped me when I was starting was when someone told me that I didn't need to autopilot to get around.
Basically set your destination, look for the yellow gate, right click on the gate and click Warp to 0. This is also known as flying at "best speed".
You will then warp directly to the gate, eliminating the need for your ship to "approach" the gate for several seconds before jumping.
To some folks this is an obvious thing, but a lot of folks read what the tutorial says and that's as far as they go until someone tells them differently.
When using the AP i recommand typing in LOCAL channel "Is here anyone who wants to suicide my ship?"
Ok, without sarcasm, if you love your ship (and even if you love it just a little), AP is a no-go.
And im sure now it goes on from someone flying 52 jumps on AP AFK and nothing happend....
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Vincent Gaines
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.10.30 13:42:00 -
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if you're flying some T1 cruiser from noe mission spot to another through hisec, like 12 jumps or so, you'll be fine. you wouldn't really have anything worth suiciding for, and your insurance will cover any losses.
But if you're hauling everything you own, or hours/weeks/months worth of work, then be smart and not lazy.
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Tayonas
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Posted - 2009.10.30 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tayonas on 30/10/2009 13:45:01
Originally by: My Postman
Originally by: Belloch
One thing that I've noticed is a lot of folks seem to autopilot A LOT.
One thing that really helped me when I was starting was when someone told me that I didn't need to autopilot to get around.
Basically set your destination, look for the yellow gate, right click on the gate and click Warp to 0. This is also known as flying at "best speed".
You will then warp directly to the gate, eliminating the need for your ship to "approach" the gate for several seconds before jumping.
To some folks this is an obvious thing, but a lot of folks read what the tutorial says and that's as far as they go until someone tells them differently.
When using the AP i recommand typing in LOCAL channel "Is here anyone who wants to suicide my ship?"
Ok, without sarcasm, if you love your ship (and even if you love it just a little), AP is a no-go.
And im sure now it goes on from someone flying 52 jumps on AP AFK and nothing happend....
Not 52, around 30 jumps and nothing happenned ... LUCKILY!
When I first started out I always used AP, now I dont though. I ended up in a highsec system, around 0.8 and it was autopilot that took me there. I was AFK at the time not knowing whats what. What REALLY talked me out of it was I was in front of the PC on the return flight and it was taking me through 2 x 0.4 systems, the only route I might add. Even with AP told only to stick to highsec it had taken me to a system on the otherside of lowsec jumps.
Now when I set destination I check the map as well, even before buying stuff I check the route.
AP, Always Problems, Always Pirates, Always Pants.
Anyways, I think I was lucky because of the whole highsec/lowsec camping thing.
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Lamthara Lachesis
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.10.30 14:15:00 -
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Recently i have moved a lot of stuff (ships and so on) from a place to another.
The way i act was in this way.
Afk Autopilot with my empty Bestowed to the first place, go to eat dinner. Once i've finished and the ship has arrived in the location dock, fill the ship with the things i had to move and go back warping to 0 km for every jump - rinse and repeat ^^
Same if you have to go in low sec or - worse - null sec to take something or do something.
Autopilot is ok till you're in high sec then, turn off the autopilot and turn on your brain :)
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ddooxx
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Posted - 2009.10.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman
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Ok, without sarcasm, if you love your ship (and even if you love it just a little), AP is a no-go.
Like much in EVE and life, there are tradeoffs. WT0 is clearly better than AP ... if someone else is doing it for you. As mentioned above, WT0 is an intelligence test; if you are intelligent, then spending an hour of your life doing WT0 just might be too boring or too much of a waste. WT0 is clearly a no-skill time sink; you could train an eight-year-old child with below average IQ to do it. WT0 makes Mining and Missioning seem like very high skill operations. There are times where WT0 is essentially required: outside highsec, when carrying valuable cargo. But it is not my favorite game mechanic. Say you are going to spend $500 to play EVE for 3 years: do you really want to commit to 400, 500, 800 hours of your life paying attention to your machine to mindlessly, skilllessly click WT0? More game, less time sink would be my preference. Is there a point when the time sink gets so annoying a game is just not worth it?
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Jackman Herzog
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Posted - 2009.10.31 17:25:00 -
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ITT a bunch of people who never had to run from empire to nullsec under the old system where you always warped to 15km and there were so few players able to make jump-bridges that most of us were forced to make the trip the slow way.
Be glad you even have the option to WT0. It used to be gang or die, and sometimes die anyways. Scouts helped, but no one even needed warp bubbles. Spending hundreds of hours making instas so you hope you can beat the camps. Wait, they did deploy a bubble, so all those instas suddenly become worthless. Not to mention the fact that instas caused so much lag that some parts of the game became unplayable.
AP is for running from one point in highsec to another for less than 10 jumps. Everything else is WT0 or just pod yourself and get it over with.
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Wiley Peterson
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:45:00 -
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Yeah, but let's not forget the reason they put in WT0 was because everyone was copying bookmarks from each other to achieve the same result, causing serious server issues.
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Memphis Wade
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Posted - 2009.10.31 20:06:00 -
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How do covops ship AP? Does the jumping/session change decloak or can they AP unseen?
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Saju Somtaaw
Gallente
Diiamond Heavy Industries
MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:45:00 -
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You need no re-cloak after each jump once you get underway, it isn't automatic.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.01 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Wade
How do covops ship AP? Does the jumping/session change decloak or can they AP unseen?
AP tries to jump at 2500m and fails, you continue towards gate, decloak at 2000m and AP tries again a little while later, this time you jump through and AP continues as for a non-cloaked ship unless you manually re-cloak.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: ddooxx
Originally by: My Postman
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Ok, without sarcasm, if you love your ship (and even if you love it just a little), AP is a no-go.
Like much in EVE and life, there are tradeoffs. WT0 is clearly better than AP ... if someone else is doing it for you. As mentioned above, WT0 is an intelligence test; if you are intelligent, then spending an hour of your life doing WT0 just might be too boring or too much of a waste. WT0 is clearly a no-skill time sink; you could train an eight-year-old child with below average IQ to do it. WT0 makes Mining and Missioning seem like very high skill operations. There are times where WT0 is essentially required: outside highsec, when carrying valuable cargo. But it is not my favorite game mechanic. Say you are going to spend $500 to play EVE for 3 years: do you really want to commit to 400, 500, 800 hours of your life paying attention to your machine to mindlessly, skilllessly click WT0? More game, less time sink would be my preference. Is there a point when the time sink gets so annoying a game is just not worth it?
Well, your are completeley right. It¦s boring (and i¦m sure not only me) to hell.
But after some experiances (highsec. EMPTY Itty 3) finding me in my pod, when i came back from toilet (5 min. AFK), i decided better to be bored.
For the rest of your quote i can follow you 100%.
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