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Arik VanClaw Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.11.04 15:27:00 - [31] Looks like I'm screwed. Fly Caldari ECM ***gotry and also have a name that starts with A. Uber tank scorp FTW! And I bet some names in fleet are hilarious. When a guy's name is "Primary" or "Me" or any one other noun that induces confusion, as in when the FC says "Primary is Primary!" LOL
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics	Posted - 2009.11.04 18:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Seriously? No proper FC calls targets in alphabetical order wtf. Your name means nothing unless your in a group pf 5 vs 30 and they just shoot whoever they target first, even then its never A-Z. Proper Fc's call by shiptype/Range/If theres a known FC in the group they sometiems try to kill them. Your name means NOTHING. Hell im still training as an FC and even i know that This^^ If your FC is calling targets in ABC order most likely you and your fleet are going to die and fast. Think about it, wth would anyone call in ABC order when calling ship types is ALOT more effective. Hmmm, should I call Albert in the inty or Zor in the megathron Fortune Favors the Bold!!
Draeklore Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.04 19:02:00 - [33] I wouldn't fly with a FC who would call primaries in alphabetical order. Ships that should be primaried first are EWar and logistics.
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel	Posted - 2009.11.05 00:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Aralieus Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Seriously? No proper FC calls targets in alphabetical order wtf. Your name means nothing unless your in a group pf 5 vs 30 and they just shoot whoever they target first, even then its never A-Z. Proper Fc's call by shiptype/Range/If theres a known FC in the group they sometiems try to kill them. Your name means NOTHING. Hell im still training as an FC and even i know that This^^ If your FC is calling targets in ABC order most likely you and your fleet are going to die and fast. Think about it, wth would anyone call in ABC order when calling ship types is ALOT more effective. Hmmm, should I call Albert in the inty or Zor in the megathron You must have missed some of the replies in this thread, no one has said target calling simply starts at the top and works their way down but there are times when this does apply such as 5 RR domis - which do you call 1st? _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics	Posted - 2009.11.05 02:01:00 - [35] Originally by: yani dumyat Originally by: Aralieus Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Seriously? No proper FC calls targets in alphabetical order wtf. Your name means nothing unless your in a group pf 5 vs 30 and they just shoot whoever they target first, even then its never A-Z. Proper Fc's call by shiptype/Range/If theres a known FC in the group they sometiems try to kill them. Your name means NOTHING. Hell im still training as an FC and even i know that This^^ If your FC is calling targets in ABC order most likely you and your fleet are going to die and fast. Think about it, wth would anyone call in ABC order when calling ship types is ALOT more effective. Hmmm, should I call Albert in the inty or Zor in the megathron You must have missed some of the replies in this thread, no one has said target calling simply starts at the top and works their way down but there are times when this does apply such as 5 RR domis - which do you call 1st? Well of course it would make sense then, I went up against 5 Vaga's once and we used exactly that method, but I was speaking in a more general sense. 'Most' 'normal' fleets consest of many ship types and size, but there are the occasional fleets that use all the same ship types, so yes with that I totally agree. I have only FC'd a handful of times and I was under the impression of calling targets in such a order as this: 1. ECM 2. Logistics 3. Ships with known e-war capabilities ie; Scorpian, Curse, etc etc... 4. Glass Cannons 5. Then if your fleet is still kicking, any well known tankable ships. Now I am by no means saying this is the correct or the best way, hell it might even be totally wrong but if you step back and think about it, it makes sense for targets to be called in such a manner. I found this guide some time ago and it really helps those who dont know and or understand the infrastructure and tactics behind a fleet and a FC making neccassary calls. Its not at all set in stone but a good look on the inside. Fleet Command: A guide to Blowing the Other guy Up. V. 0.75 Its pretty detailed and gives some pretty solid fleet fits imo. Hope it helps, cuz the better your fleet is the better the fights are going to be if we ever meet up Fortune Favors the Bold!!
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.11.05 02:12:00 - [36] Originally by: yani dumyat 5 RR domis - which do you call 1st? This. Yes ewar and logis first, but when fleet starts shooting rr bses... ofc name matters.
Darius Raines	Posted - 2009.11.05 05:05:00 - [37] If your honestly that worried about being primaried every time you go out to pvp, maybe you should just reconsider your whole eve career and quit because: #1: You are dealing with real people (Yes it is a game) #2: There is almost always that one guy who lags out with gate lag a few seconds longer and because his name starts with A,B,C,D,or E and yours starts with F, his unfortunate lag causes your unfortunate loss. #3: Can I have your stuff?
Kanatta Jing	Posted - 2009.11.05 05:27:00 - [38] AArkilzad in the Scorpion... In a fleet he has no E-war, just a heavy Shield tank over an Armor tank over a Hull tank. His name is hard to say and he'll take a while to die. The fact he is usually primaried first... Is hardly a wonder.
Eben Rochelle Gallente RPS holdings	Posted - 2009.11.19 10:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 19/11/2009 10:24:27 SUAS speaks the truth. (and I secretly love him) if your fighting fleet BS/BC and have your fleets/gangs overview settings done right then calling alphabeticly can give you a small edge (less of one now that ctrl freezes your overview) as people arent scrolling up and down to find the primaries. e.g "Set to the BS only tabs on your overviews, set your overview to name, arrow pointing up. Start at "Aardvark in space" and work your way down the list, make sure your shooting the (naughty wording) primary, keep an eye on range and ill call targets of oppurtunity" This also leaves you free to look for (H)dictors, ewar, RR/logi, hostile FC's, Faction BS or any other targets of interest while your fleet is happily blasting away and helps with your situational awareness as your not soleley focused on finding the next primary/secondary
Victriferusianus	Posted - 2009.11.19 11:45:00 - [40] If you are worried about being primaried, name your character as "Who", "Everyone", "The Gate", "FC", "The Station", "No One", "Me", "Tackled Carrier", "Warp Out", "Drake" or something similar and hope that the possible confusion keeps you safe.
Dimitryy Gallente Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 03:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Seriously? No proper FC calls targets in alphabetical order wtf. Your name means nothing unless your in a group pf 5 vs 30 and they just shoot whoever they target first, even then its never A-Z. Proper Fc's call by shiptype/Range/If theres a known FC in the group they sometiems try to kill them. Your name means NOTHING. Hell im still training as an FC and even i know that Not really. Calling by alphabetical order is fairly common in medium to large gangs. Shiptype isnt so useful if there are multiple of the same ship, range doesnt matter because your tackle/snipe hacs/snipe bs/whatever are going to see enemies at different ranges, and hostile fleets have backup fc's, and the target caller is usually cloaked. Telling people to sort overview by name and then calling name down is usually a good way to keep people focusing fire properly. While its not a hard list (Bobby in an apoc will be called before Aaron Aaronson in a stilleto) its a good bet that some kind of alphabetical convention will be used. Wouldnt worry too much about it though, and if you are constantly being primaried, there are ways around it. ------------------------------------------ Jack Blackstone > Dimitryy I hope you die.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2009.11.20 09:55:00 - [42] Say that are 4 Ravens in blob of 75 RR Abaddons. I'm pretty sure the Ravens will get called primary in A-Z order Best thing would be to have all your ECM/Dictor pilots to be named. B3oj3dhp[df B3pofohjgeo[ B3opgdjdph *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Zhade Lezte	Posted - 2009.11.21 12:07:00 - [43] Oh yes, it completely matters But seriously, go with the name you're going to enjoy eve the most with, the minor advantages are rather insignificant. Being at the bottom of local is pretty nice however.
Garst Tyrell Amarr No.Mercy	Posted - 2009.11.22 00:02:00 - [44] the only time I would use alphabetical target calling as Fc would be if I was in a ridiculous blob engagement where everything worth shooting is essentially at the same range, and it doesnt matter which of the 100 apocs I shoot first as long as I shoot one "I long for death, not because I seek peace, but because I seek the war eternal"
Lynn Deniera Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.11.22 12:07:00 - [45] We once had a guy in our fleet called "somebody" - We only noticed when the FC asked him to check out a station- and 4 people went...
Annie Anomie Gallente The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.11.22 13:00:00 - [46] Yes.
Joe Bonkers	Posted - 2009.11.22 20:01:00 - [47] I just created an alt named, "Switching Primaries". Why hadn't I thought of this sooner?!
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.22 20:10:00 - [48] Originally by: Aralieus Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Seriously? No proper FC calls targets in alphabetical order wtf. Your name means nothing unless your in a group pf 5 vs 30 and they just shoot whoever they target first, even then its never A-Z. Proper Fc's call by shiptype/Range/If theres a known FC in the group they sometiems try to kill them. Your name means NOTHING. Hell im still training as an FC and even i know that This^^ If your FC is calling targets in ABC order most likely you and your fleet are going to die and fast. Think about it, wth would anyone call in ABC order when calling ship types is ALOT more effective. Hmmm, should I call Albert in the inty or Zor in the megathron You are not very smart and have no idea what you are talking about. _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Arthello Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.11.22 20:57:00 - [49] Edited by: Arthello on 22/11/2009 20:59:27 I'm very often the first one to get shot at when we come out of warp in big fleet engagements. I know this, my corp knows this and so does my alliance. In fact it happened so frequent my corp started making jokes about it. I'd like to think it's because I'm so awesome, but sadly the other more plausible explanation is that my name starts with an A. In small engagements this doesn't matter as much as some has already pointed out; shiptypes takes precedence. In large engagements most has, or at least should have, two tabs on their overview. One for cap-bs and one for support ships. BS will shoot bs-caps and support will kill dics and ceptors. This is a problem for me no doubt, but it's not an insurmountable one. Before you land you should already have targetted a point in-line with your exit, when you land you click align immediately and give one jolt of MWD to align quickly. Follow your overview closely and when/if you see your enemies start locking you up be ready to warp to your exit point. As soon as those orange numbers start showing - warp out - unless you're in repping gang. Edit to say: It's obvious that many of you has never been in a big fleet engagement. When there's +100 BS in the enemy fleet you don't stop and ponder which BS to alpha. You start with the easiest name most will understand and go down the list.
EFT Worrier	Posted - 2009.11.23 06:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Victriferusianus If you are worried about being primaried, name your character as "Who", "Everyone", "The Gate", "FC", "The Station", "No One", "Me", "Tackled Carrier", "Warp Out", "Drake" or something similar and hope that the possible confusion keeps you safe. Nice one. Made me actually lol.
AshGear Minmatar British Legion	Posted - 2009.11.23 08:20:00 - [51] Yay.... remind me only to bring crasy tanked no dmg dealing ships into large fleet battles..
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.23 10:54:00 - [52] In decent fleets the FC will call by ship importance. But then the following is also true: - Support is often told to kill the nearest guys. That's their "sort order", not the alphabeth. - Heavy guns are called to kill stuff by name. But being called by name often means both them and the FC have the overview sorted alphabethically. In that case, the FC will probably call the correct target (and correct range) BUT between eligible targets he'll go A to Z or Z to A. Moreover, expecially on long lasting / many jumps ops, people in BS get bored / drop attention and then they really will start shooting at the first BS thing they see, and that thing usually gets sorted by letter. This expecially applies to random camps you meet while getting to destinatin, the FC will be less attentive to call targets (since it's ie 50 ships vs 10) and people will just shoot at the top of the list. Basically if you are in a faction / juicy ship and your name is Aaron... good luck. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:55:00 - [53] I don't understand all of the confusion over this. It's really quite simple. Good FC's prioritise their targets. Even in massive fleets, good intel should be gathered beforehand so that you have a rough idea of what's there. Admittdly, it is harder in bigger fleets, but it can still be done. Bad FC's work their way down the list. They don't necessarily ignore Megathrons to go for Crusaders, but if there is a player in a BS with an A in their name, they are more likely to get targetted than one with K in his name. In summary, Fongg, your name doesn't really matter that much unless the enemy FC is completely clueless and just goes for the first name at the top of his list.
DONJUAN v Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.11.23 21:20:00 - [54] here is few names that are good to have in a fleet fight: -desta tion (the station) -the falkon -thegate -etc. (you get the idea) just love hearing : everyone primary the station , everyone focus on the station also your name not being in cap locks also help
Vixisti Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.11.24 08:30:00 - [55] Battle report: 15 man gang meets 3 man gang. Characters are named Primary, Secondary and Tertiary. Comms goes something like this: Ok guys, LET'S DO THIS! "Primary is Secondary, Secondary is Tertiary and Tertiary is Primary" sometime later... "Cmon guys Secondary is not taking enough damage, all your damage on Secondary, Primary!" OMG this isn't goin well - Ok switch Primary to Tertiary. FFS guys come on! Varous friendly comms calls of "I'm goin down/I'm out" ensue "Ok guys final push, there's only 5 of us left and they're down to 3. Switch your damage back to Secondary, he's the new Primary, if you're still shooting Tertiary, stop it, and make him your Secondary, Tertiary is Primary" "Great! Primary is goin down, Secondary will be the new Primary....wait I still see Primary on my overview WTF, my overview is bugged!! Damn you CCP we could have won this battle but for crappy overview bugs!" Result: Primary, Secondary and their friend Tertiary loot the field. End Battle report
Ami Hantaka Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.11.24 13:00:00 - [56] Just train for Abaddon; FCs rarely primary those. Luckily my corp also has a pilot whose name starts with a number....
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:07:00 - [57] Instead of theorizing, run some statistics on battles on killboards. You'll quickly see that survivability in larger fleet fights for someone with an 'A' name is about half of that of someone with a 'K'-'S' name.
Falcon Temple Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.29 04:35:00 - [58] Damn. I may not get primaried because of my name, but I will get blamed for every **ing thing in eve(because of falcon!!)**
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.11.30 19:22:00 - [59] If you participate in very large fleet battles where lag is rampant the fc will just primary by alphabetical order. Otherwise it will be range (position) and shiptype. I fced a battle a week ago that was 70vs80 and I still called primaries based on ship types and range. Mostly range we were short range BS up against sniper BS we would get warped in on at 150, warp off, get a warp in go tackle some **... Calling primaries alphabetically would have been **ed. Only some ships were in our range at any given time. Mostly primaries were whatever BS got tackled after the warp in. As long as there isn't lag expect the fc to primary specific ships with specific reasons. If you call yourself fuc'hed don't expect the enemy fc will have any problem shouting "**HEAD IS PRIMARY!" If you are flying the exact same ship as another guy and the fc wants to wipe out that ship type he will probably call for tackle on the far ship and primary the closer one to his fleet. He might primary the further one if it was about to kill the ceptor tackling it, or if the difference in distance was marginal. He might primary one because he saw it first on the overview. Name is not much of a consideration. If you really want to make a name that lowers your chances of being primaried make it start with a number, and be totaly unpronouncable by anyone. For example '4glbmn9r6.' I have cancelled primarying ships with pilots whose names were unpronouncable. That only works if you are flying in a drake in a fleet of mostly drakes. Even if your name can't be said if you are in a falcon expect something like "FALCON IS PRIMARY!" and to then be dead soon in larger fights. Ships likely to be primaried instantly: (Logistics and ewar ships with big effects and weak tanks) Falcons Logistics Other Recons Scorpions Ships likely to be primaried in the first part of the battle after the stuff above is dead: (High DPS Low Tank Targets) stealth bombers Diemos Hurricane Tempest Hacs in General Active rep command ships (larger fleet battles) Active rep anything (larger fleet battles) In 15+ man gangs an active rep tank might as well be no tank at all. You will melt instantly when tackled and primaried by a competent gang. Ships unlikely to be primaried until the end of battle: (Low DPS High EHP) Teir 3 battleships Domis Drakes Prophecy Heavy Interdictors Fleet Command Ships (They will make sure to tackle you and will kill you if they win the battle) So I recomend you should make a drake pilot named '4glbmn9r6' and if anyone ever asks about your stupid name admit to them straight out that you have no balls and want to see them primaried first in battle. See if they want to keep you around afterwards.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2009.12.01 12:46:00 - [60] Call me shallow but anyone with a "1337" gamertag for a name wouldn't be in any fleet of mine to begin with. Guess I'm just old fashioned. -----

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