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Vajak
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.30 08:44:00 -
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What am I missing? I have the particular science skill at lvl 5, the required standings and negotiation skill at lvl 5, but I'm still not getting the amount of datacores/day EVE Agents website suggests I should be getting ? |
clixor
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Posted - 2009.10.30 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vajak What am I missing? I have the particular science skill at lvl 5, the required standings and negotiation skill at lvl 5, but I'm still not getting the amount of datacores/day EVE Agents website suggests I should be getting ?
weird. Have you 'updated' your agents after levelling up? i.e. talking to them again?
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.30 11:30:00 -
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negotiation will not help you'll need conenctions
what do you get and what does the website say
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Malophorus
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Posted - 2009.10.30 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS negotiation will not help you'll need conenctions
This is incorrect.
Connections does not impact rp. Negotiation does.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.10.30 12:30:00 -
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The RP per day listed by Eve Agents is probably outdated. Up until Apocrypha, I think it was, Connections skill worked on agents of any corporation you didn't have negative standing with, including agents with whom you had zero standing. It was changed to only work on agents with whom you have positive standing. Since you can't gain standing with research agents, Connections no longer impacts effective quality, thus no longer increases the amount of research points you get.
Hypothetical question - since it is possible to lose standing with a research agent, would it be possible to accept a mission from one of them, quit that mission losing standings in the process, and have Diplomacy skill increase your effective standing into the positive range? If that worked it would increase effective quality. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.30 14:06:00 -
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aha yes - my info is out of date shows how long I've done anything with respect to research -- 3 Titans Lottery EB | Capital |
Pantload
Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.10.30 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malophorus
Originally by: RaTTuS negotiation will not help you'll need conenctions
This is incorrect.
Connections does not impact rp. Negotiation does.
This is also incorrect. Both of those skills affect RP/day as does the Science skill that directly relates to the research you are doing. The science skill has the greatest effect, followed by Negotiations, and lastly Connections which only has a small affect.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2009.10.30 20:50:00 -
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So if you have research going with agents, and then skill up negotiations do you have to reset the agent by stopping the research and then restarting it to get the gain, or does it get factored in the next day?
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Ruziel
Minmatar Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2009.10.30 21:07:00 -
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It's important to note, that I believe the max RP/day displayed by eve-agents includes running the mission for them.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.30 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
Originally by: Malophorus
Originally by: RaTTuS negotiation will not help you'll need conenctions
This is incorrect. Connections does not impact rp. Negotiation does.
This is also incorrect. Both of those skills affect RP/day as does the Science skill that directly relates to the research you are doing. The science skill has the greatest effect, followed by Negotiations, and lastly Connections which only has a small affect.
The way the Connections skill works has been changed recently (well, last big patch, so a few months ago) - it no longer affects "null" standings targets, only strictly positive standings. Since all R&D agents always have null standings, the Connections skill no longer applies to them at all since that patch, and the skill is irrelevant for RP gains nowadays. Only Negotiations and the specific science skill matter now.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.10.31 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
The way the Connections skill works has been changed recently (well, last big patch, so a few months ago) - it no longer affects "null" standings targets, only strictly positive standings. Since all R&D agents always have null standings, the Connections skill no longer applies to them at all since that patch, and the skill is irrelevant for RP gains nowadays. Only Negotiations and the specific science skill matter now.
Hmm, would you mind expanding a bit more on this. I must've missed the patch note and it doesn't quite make sense to me. From what I understood only the effective quality, level and research skills of the agent mattered.
RP/day = Field multiplier*((1+(EQ of agent/100))*((My skill+Agent Lvl)^2))
Or something like that. Field multiplier is pretty much pointless. Effective quality would - afaik - be the highest of your effective standings, generally your corp or faction standing and only that divided by ten, truncated and added to the other quality modifiers. Now, I don't have access to a client and can't check for myself, but from what I understand the only reason to have null standing to a R&D agent would be if you never made any missions for him, or do they(R&D missions) not grant personal standing either? And even so, would it ever matter? Does(did) personal standing add even more quality on top of this basic maximum of 55?
From what I understand Mastance Seillaerdt and Ya Alhunaya are the best agents in game, and would offer up to 360 RP/day.( RP = 3 * (1 + ( 53 /100 ) * (5 * 4 ^2) = 359,64), obviously just theorycrafting, but still, what am I missing? Parrots, commence!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.31 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Effective quality would - afaik - be the highest of your effective standings, generally your corp or faction standing and only that divided by ten, truncated and added to the other quality modifiers.
Nonono, effective quality is AGENT effective standing divided by 10 plus agent base quality. Corp and faction standings have no influence over agent effective quality.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.10.31 03:51:00 -
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I just logged on to check. Here's a sample agent. Effective quality 24, base quality is 10, agent standing is -0.06, corp standing 6.83, faction standing 5.13, effective standing 6.8.
So.. the effective standing does NOT matter, it's just the personal standing. Meaning everything else you said was right. Oh, and agent standing doesn't have to be null.
Did they change diplomacy at the same time? I now don't have diplomacy at all, would getting it to 3 grant me an extra percent of lp? And is there no way of repairing standings with an R&D agent then? Parrots, commence!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.31 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 31/10/2009 07:43:12
Yes, they changed diplomacy and criminal connections too, they work the same way now (only on non-null standings). Oh, and they also (finally) made it so that Connections only applies to "good" factions, and Criminal Connections only to "bad" factions (before, Connections simply applied to both, which made Criminal Connections a redundant skill).
And... I'm not sure what you mean about the "oh, and agent standing doesn't have to be null" part... R&D agent standing should always be null, never going up or down, by any means available ingame right now. If you managed to "damage" your R&D agent's standing somehow from null, then it's bugreport & petition time (bugreport to let them know if by some chance they don't know already, petition to fix your standings back to where they should be).
P.S. I have no idea if anybody bugreported it so far, but from what I read on the forums, apparently there are instances where you have an outstanding R&D mission and you cancel research and that way you manage to change (lose) some standings with an agent you should never have had standings changes with... or something to that extent. Bottom line, not many people have any non-null standings with R&D agents, and it's only because of a bug they got there.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.31 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
P.S. I have no idea if anybody bugreported it so far, but from what I read on the forums, apparently there are instances where you have an outstanding R&D mission and you cancel research and that way you manage to change (lose) some standings with an agent you should never have had standings changes with... or something to that extent. Bottom line, not many people have any non-null standings with R&D agents, and it's only because of a bug they got there.
I have reported it together with another bug specific to some R&D agents (some of them don't close the mission when it is completed, you need to relog to close it. Strangely it not affect all of them).
The problem (I think) is that R&D mission don't work exactly like the other mission (no standing gain, no standing loss if you fail them) but in some corner of the program that change wasn't implemented.
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