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Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries 89	Posted - 2012.06.13 10:11:00 - [31] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: ChromeStriker wrote: Well theyre not that bad i mean... OMG WHAT DID THEY DO!!! Black ships \o/ The black ships sorta makes sense. After all, space is mostly black, innit? TBH the black ships are one of the things they've ruined. We used to have awesome black ships (the old Khanid ships, for example, with their beautiful black with blue lights), but now they're all turned into an ugly dull dark gray instead.
Implying Implications Broski Enterprises 106	Posted - 2012.06.13 11:09:00 - [32] - Quote I hope the Vagabond will get rectangular solar panels like the Cheetah and new Mastodon, the other Thukker ships. Minmatar V3 gallery: http://minus.com/mOqXRikn5
Private Pineapple Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 82	Posted - 2012.06.13 11:14:00 - [33] - Quote Possum's Awesome wrote: I want the **-ing police light back on my -ing Navy Comet, mother ****-s. Wait a minute. Are you serious? I remember flying that thing around a couple years ago just before I quit. That police light was so important to the overall look. Everytime I heard "Gallente Navy Comet" I would think of the light. Same thing with the Slicer (it has two lights, doesn't it?). If they seriously removed that light.. what are they thinking!? Support Damen Apol's proposal! -áSolve all problems with FW with a simple solution! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119683&find=unread
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.06.13 15:46:00 - [34] - Quote I don't know how anyone could think that removing all these iconic and beloved quirks and designs is a good idea, and for what? We don't really gain anything from yet another bland out of place camo-painted ship taking the place of a once unique design. All I see is a big step toward Perpetuum, where all the robots are so samey and ugly I had no desire to progress in the game. The vexor's smiley face, the comet's police paint, light, and GFPF stencil, the old helios model, why can't we have these things back? Why did they have to change in the first place? Let me tell you, I'll probably never fly a comet again. The only reason I sought it out in the first place was "holy crap I can play a space police ship!", and then I learned to fly it and it introduced me to new playstyles and a lot of fun. If it were the current, dull camo skin, I'd have never taken that step in the first place. The art team really seems to be doing the opposite of what they're supposed to. Before, the art design of EVE's ships drew me in and made me want to fly them for no reason other than that they looked really cool. Now there seems to be a quest to remove any uniqueness and make the only reason to switch ships numbers, which essentially amounts to the art team making themselves obsolete.
Kijo Rikki Killboard Padding Services 86	Posted - 2012.06.13 15:49:00 - [35] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Thorn Galen wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: The most serious issue with EVE Online is CCP's disturbing new trend of covering more and more ship with terrestrial-based camouflage. This is a very good point. Why is the paintwork being applied look like the ships are Earthbound and planetary, not interplanetary ? Indeed. The only functional camouflage is, ironically, the bright and shiny coatings of certain Interceptors, like the Stiletto. Very different from terrestrial-based camouflage. Honestly, the most effective camo is probably flat black paint.
Possum's Awesome Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo 18	Posted - 2012.06.13 15:51:00 - [36] - Quote Saile Litestrider wrote: The vexor's smiley face, the comet's police paint, light, and GFPF stencil, the old helios model, why can't we have these things back? Why did they have to change in the first place? The smiley is gone on SiSi???? Are you [capital letters swear word]ING kidding me?!?!?! Quote: Let me tell you, I'll probably never fly a comet again. The only reason I sought it out in the first place was "holy crap I can play a space police ship!", and then I learned to fly it and it introduced me to new playstyles and a lot of fun. If it were the current, dull camo skin, I'd have never taken that step in the first place. That navy comet is exactly why I started carebearing, grinding missions like crazy, for that bpo. And now its gone, gone, gone, oh whoa whoa. Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes.
Tanaka Sekigahara United Space Marine Corp 114	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:01:00 - [37] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: The most serious issue with EVE Online is CCP's disturbing new trend of covering more and more ship with terrestrial-based camouflage. , I mean, half a moron would make space based camo on the regions that faction flyis in, you'd think, no? Unimaginitive dudes who arent really artists at all, they dont remodel anything so much as add more crap granular textures to surfaces as the abilty of video cards to display more stuff gores up. They do not so much make cool looking stuff as much as they put demand on graphics cards. These are not "artists" these are hacks, trying tocreate job security with lame-ass models and doing a mostly poor job of it. I will say i never really cared for the asyemetric caldari designs, and they are mostly ugly. Osprey, Moa griffin and Blackbird are not nice looking ships.Cerberus , Knighthawk , Scorpion and Hawk are....
Nefertiri Ra'apharo Mabad Ilhba Alasw'd 73	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:12:00 - [38] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: The most serious issue with EVE Online is CCP's disturbing new trend of covering more and more ship with terrestrial-based camouflage. Maybe the ships are gonna be able to land SoonGäó and sprout tank treads - That's the only reason I can think of that camo would be on a frikkin spaceship. Flying under Corporate colors is one thing but you can't tell me your Corporation's flag is Arctic Camo. facepalm
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 201	Posted - 2012.06.13 16:15:00 - [39] - Quote Iso Tectic wrote: Dude, the wings have to stay. It's important. This, holly crap very much this !! what's next, Thorax is going to loose his testis? brb
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:02:00 - [40] - Quote Possum's Awesome wrote: The smiley is gone on SiSi???? Are you [capital letters swear word]ING kidding me?!?!?! That navy comet is exactly why I started carebearing, grinding missions like crazy, for that bpc*. And now its gone, gone, gone, oh whoa whoa. On SiSi? Check the model in-game, it's long gone And I totally agree with the comet. It and several other quirky and/or awesome looking ships are actually a lot of the driving forces behind what I've done in game. I'll look at a ship, decide it looks really cool and I want to fly it, and then I'll work toward it. It's led me to new playstyles, new aspects of the game, and all sorts of stuff I never would have experienced otherwise. I know I'm not alone in this, and the art team seems to be removing their own influence from the game by working toward some kind of space camo singularity.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1425	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:17:00 - [41] - Quote perhaps CCPs art department needs a lesson in what camouflage is and why its used. obscuring visual features is pointless in an environment where targeting is done with sensors and computers whats the point, its not like someone is going to fail to target you because they didn't notice your ship hiding in the roids nevermind that dark, light absorbing colors run counter to the concept that reflecting colors keep solar heat issues at bay and parking a black ship next to the sun is pretty silly The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Rikanin Wargasm Inc 21	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:39:00 - [42] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: The Sacrilege is a carbon copy of the Maller now. The Crane lost it's extra engines on the hull. Vagabond, Huginn, Retribution, Curse and probably even more we haven't noticed yet. I really don't like what the art department is doing with the T2 bits. It's worrying. They only seem to want lazy T2 reskins, and looking at Carthum and CreoDron they don't care how muddy it looks. And at the same time the Caldari is totally moving away from its asymmetric modular design. The old Scorp and Ibis looked much more 'Caldari' then the new ones. Yeah I was pissed about the extra engines taken off the crane too though I disagree about the Creodron skins...before the v3 they looked like some poorly spray painted plastic toy now they look decent.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 2641	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:48:00 - [43] - Quote Depressing. I liked how the Rapier was shiny and white compared to the rest of the Minmatar rusty's. As for the Camo paint job, I agree that the Fleet issue ships should have it, also Command ships.
Zyress The Fabulous Thunderbirds 103	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:49:00 - [44] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: When they stopped the flappy wings on the Huginn I stopped caring Oh the humanity...
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 247	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:51:00 - [45] - Quote I just want the top fin/sail back on my hound. I liked being a bomber shark, surfacing out of a gas cloud, fin first.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:51:00 - [46] - Quote Morganta wrote: perhaps CCPs art department needs a lesson in what camouflage is and why its used. obscuring visual features is pointless in an environment where targeting is done with sensors and computers whats the point, its not like someone is going to fail to target you because they didn't notice your ship hiding in the roids nevermind that dark, light absorbing colors run counter to the concept that reflecting colors keep solar heat issues at bay and parking a black ship next to the sun is pretty silly I'm rather sure that they are using camouflage because in someones mind camo = a clear sign of a military vessel and not for it's functional aspects. Or at least I hope not.
Pertuabo Enkidgan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2012.06.13 19:53:00 - [47] - Quote Bat ears need to stay, I don't even fly Minmatar but the vagabond hull needs to stay. I really wish they asked for community imput before getting rid of parts on a ship. They often underestimate how much people are attached to their ships (even if you lose it a million times). Remember the Arbi engine?
Torneach Viziam Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2012.06.13 20:02:00 - [48] - Quote Pertuabo Enkidgan wrote: I really wish they asked for community imput before getting rid of parts on a ship. They often underestimate how much people are attached to their ships (even if you lose it a million times). But this is CCP we're talking about. Their vision is pure and :awesome:.
Stalafur State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.06.13 20:42:00 - [49] - Quote Nooo not the top wingy bit!
Bane Nucleus The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 71	Posted - 2012.06.13 20:48:00 - [50] - Quote Possum's Awesome wrote: I want the **-ing police light back on my -ing Navy Comet, mother **-s. This x1000. If people really cared about Eve, they would put this as their number one priority. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter**
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:03:00 - [51] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Morganta wrote: perhaps CCPs art department needs a lesson in what camouflage is and why its used. obscuring visual features is pointless in an environment where targeting is done with sensors and computers whats the point, its not like someone is going to fail to target you because they didn't notice your ship hiding in the roids nevermind that dark, light absorbing colors run counter to the concept that reflecting colors keep solar heat issues at bay and parking a black ship next to the sun is pretty silly I'm rather sure that they are using camouflage because in someones mind camo = a clear sign of a military vessel and not for it's functional aspects. Or at least I hope not. Funny thing about the military and camouflage in a large, open, featureless environment like the sea or space... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:31:00 - [52] - Quote Zyress wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: When they stopped the flappy wings on the Huginn I stopped caring Oh the humanity... http://zenisstupid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1648oh-the-huge-manatee.jpg "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Torneach Viziam Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:34:00 - [53] - Quote Saile Litestrider wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Morganta wrote: perhaps CCPs art department needs a lesson in what camouflage is and why its used. obscuring visual features is pointless in an environment where targeting is done with sensors and computers whats the point, its not like someone is going to fail to target you because they didn't notice your ship hiding in the roids nevermind that dark, light absorbing colors run counter to the concept that reflecting colors keep solar heat issues at bay and parking a black ship next to the sun is pretty silly I'm rather sure that they are using camouflage because in someones mind camo = a clear sign of a military vessel and not for it's functional aspects. Or at least I hope not. Funny thing about the military and camouflage in a large, open, featureless environment like the sea or space... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage Except that camouflage still relies on sight, EVE ships target things without needing to visually see things.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1428	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:42:00 - [54] - Quote Saile Litestrider wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Morganta wrote: perhaps CCPs art department needs a lesson in what camouflage is and why its used. obscuring visual features is pointless in an environment where targeting is done with sensors and computers whats the point, its not like someone is going to fail to target you because they didn't notice your ship hiding in the roids nevermind that dark, light absorbing colors run counter to the concept that reflecting colors keep solar heat issues at bay and parking a black ship next to the sun is pretty silly I'm rather sure that they are using camouflage because in someones mind camo = a clear sign of a military vessel and not for it's functional aspects. Or at least I hope not. Funny thing about the military and camouflage in a large, open, featureless environment like the sea or space... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage poor example Dazzle was intended to confuse gunners as to the bearing and course of the target vessel, it's obviously not intended to make the ship invisible. our weapons do not rely on manual input of course information, in fact navies don't manually input tracking data anymore, a main reason why dazzle and naval camouflage in general don't exist in the modern world except for perhaps small boats with no radar return. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:52:00 - [55] - Quote Morganta wrote: poor example Dazzle was intended to confuse gunners as to the bearing and course of the target vessel, it's obviously not intended to make the ship invisible. our weapons do not rely on manual input of course information, in fact navies don't manually input tracking data anymore, a main reason why dazzle and naval camouflage in general don't exist in the modern world except for perhaps small boats with no radar return. How does that make it a poor example? The typical "camouflage" people think of is worthless in a featureless expanse like space. Dazzle is a prime example of that. It's also a prime example of why camouflage as an indicator of being military hardware is a poor notion as well. In short, our ships should be painted in attractive, pleasing colors, because it really doesn't matter in any way, shape or form from a tactical stand point.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1428	Posted - 2012.06.13 21:58:00 - [56] - Quote Saile Litestrider wrote: Morganta wrote: poor example Dazzle was intended to confuse gunners as to the bearing and course of the target vessel, it's obviously not intended to make the ship invisible. our weapons do not rely on manual input of course information, in fact navies don't manually input tracking data anymore, a main reason why dazzle and naval camouflage in general don't exist in the modern world except for perhaps small boats with no radar return. How does that make it a poor example? The typical "camouflage" people think of is worthless in a featureless expanse like space. Dazzle is a prime example of that. It's also a prime example of why camouflage as an indicator of being military hardware is a poor notion as well. In short, our ships should be painted in attractive, pleasing colors, because it really doesn't matter in any way, shape or form from a tactical stand point. its only worthless if you don't need to know which end is the front and dazzle while not superb was still somewhat effective as designed. and I'm fairly sure more commercial shipping and merchants used dazzle as ASW than military ships did dazzle was a direct answer to a specific problem, that's why its a poor example The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Joseph Dreadloch Omniscient Order 68	Posted - 2012.06.13 22:02:00 - [57] - Quote These forums have really gone downhill. I joke about the importance of some superfluous bat ear... foil... wingy bits and it degenerates nearly instantly into people calling out CCP and arguing with each other over ridiculous things. Unsubscribing to my own post.
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.06.13 23:39:00 - [58] - Quote Joseph Dreadloch wrote: These forums have really gone downhill. I joke about the importance of some superfluous bat ear... foil... wingy bits and it degenerates nearly instantly into people calling out CCP and arguing with each other over ridiculous things. Unsubscribing to my own post. Actually, you made a joke about what's been a sore nerve of the community's for quite a while. Maybe you didn't realize it, but the community has been pretty upset for a long time about CCP replacing ship models with ones that are markedly worse.
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 716	Posted - 2012.06.13 23:40:00 - [59] - Quote CCP I want my classic vagabond. It is one of the most distinguished vessels in EVE. Don't make it look sleek, it is beautiful the way it is. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 132	Posted - 2012.06.13 23:46:00 - [60] - Quote You would think that such advanced humans would have thought to paint thier SPACE ships black. You know, cause they're in space.

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