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Moghrom Zanthor Fathom Corp	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:46:00 - [1] My corp got a 2.35 negative standings hit overnight. There are 2 members in my corp. I am a mission runner and the other member is a miner. I run missions for 2 or 3 major caldari factions and I NEVER accept a faction mission (against any major faction). My other member CAN NOT damage our standings because he is a hi-sec Miner and only kills rats. I have had several new members join and leave but they were ALWAYS + or Neutral caldari standings. HOW can my corp take a -2.35 standings hit overnight??? I did the petition thing and am waiting for a response. thanks for any insight
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:50:00 - [2] Any new members recently...?
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Moghrom Zanthor My corp got a 2.35 negative standings hit overnight. There are 2 members in my corp. I am a mission runner and the other member is a miner. I run missions for 2 or 3 major caldari factions and I NEVER accept a faction mission (against any major faction). My other member CAN NOT damage our standings because he is a hi-sec Miner and only kills rats. I have had several new members join and leave but they were ALWAYS + or Neutral caldari standings. HOW can my corp take a -2.35 standings hit overnight??? I did the petition thing and am waiting for a response. thanks for any insight Most likely you have accepted someone onto your organization with a severe negative standing.. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Moghrom Zanthor Fathom Corp	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Malcanis Any new members recently...? Only one but he was an alt that I created myself and had completely clear/neutral standings. I thought maybe that had something to do with it (don't know how) so I took him out of the corp this morning. Still did not bring my standings back up.
Rod Pliskin Gene Works Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:59:00 - [5] I think standings for corps take 7 days (i think its 7 days...) to refresh. So, even know you have taken your alt out of your corp (with a clear standings sheet that should not have affected anything) you have awhile to wait for the standings to be refreshed again. I might be wrong, but i think after apoc got released the refresh was put up to 7 days.
Moghrom Zanthor Fathom Corp	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Rod Pliskin I think standings for corps take 7 days (i think its 7 days...) to refresh. So, even know you have taken your alt out of your corp (with a clear standings sheet that should not have affected anything) you have awhile to wait for the standings to be refreshed again. I might be wrong, but i think after apoc got released the refresh was put up to 7 days. I just went back and checked every past member and the last one (other than my own neutral alt) left corp (9 days ago). AND, every single one of those past members had Very good Caldari standings. Only one (my current member) has -0.02 (neutral) with Caldari. I don't understand how I could have taken a -2.35 hit overnight? It MUST be a bug in the game.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:18:00 - [7] right click on the faction you are concerned about and show stansings, then find you corp in the dislikes list and do a show compositions - this will show who has what to the standing -- 3 Titans Lottery EB \| Capital
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:45:00 - [8] Edited by: Tippia on 03/11/2009 14:47:51 Originally by: Moghrom Zanthor I just went back and checked every past member and the last one (other than my own neutral alt) left corp (9 days ago). AND, every single one of those past members had Very good Caldari standings. Only one (my current member) has -0.02 (neutral) with Caldari. I don't understand how I could have taken a -2.35 hit overnight? It MUST be a bug in the game. Those -0.02 still means that the alt has a standing — one that's included in the averaging of the corp. If he's well below the others (and by the sounds of it, he is), then a -2.35 drop doesn't seem that out of place. Eg. Using completely made-up numbers, your previous combined standing was (9 + 9) / 2 = 9; now your combined standing is (9 + 9 -0.02) / 3 = 5.99… A drop of over 3 points. If your miner buddy has no standing at all, the changes can be even worse. No standing means the char isn't part of the calculation, so reusing the above example, you'd have an old standing of 9/1 = 9 (duh) and a new standing of (9-0.02)/2 = 4.49. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Moghrom Zanthor Fathom Corp	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:46:00 - [9] Edited by: Moghrom Zanthor on 03/11/2009 14:48:20 Originally by: RaTTuS right click on the faction you are concerned about and show stansings, then find you corp in the dislikes list and do a show compositions - this will show who has what to the standing OK, thanks RattuS. I have found the problem. The corp standings are calculated on the "average" individual members standings within the past 7 days. My Miner has -0.02 and I have +4.68 (effective) standings so this puts my "actual" corp standings right in the middle of those standings. I guess I'd better get him into some Data Center agents Thank you for showing that to me. It is difficult to find unless you know exactly where to look. Thanks to everybody for the help.
Daedalus II	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:46:00 - [10] Yeah do a show compositions to see what happened. If I were to venture a guess your mining dude did a gallente or minmatar lvl 1 mission 7 days ago. In that mission he were up against caldari. Having previously not done any missions his caldari standing was not registered, therefore only your standing was used when calculating corp standing. When he killed a few caldari ships in his lvl 1 mission he did get caldari standing though, which was slightly negative. Now your corp standing isn't just a combination of your standing, but of his too. The mean value being something like (your standing + -0.02) / 2 which is roughly half your standing.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:47:00 - [11] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/11/2009 14:51:53 Probably it worked this way: You 4,68 Caldari standing (from in game Miner 0 Caldari standing = no effect Corp Caldari standing 4.68 add guy with -0.02 Caldari standing New Caldari standing = (4.68+(-0.02) )/2=4.66/2= 2.33 Exactly your drop of 2.35 points. After ejecting the guy you probably need to do a storyline to get it moving again and in a few days it will be back to 4.68. Originally by: Moghrom Zanthor I guess I'd better get him into some Data Center agents Getting your average back to almost 5 require a bit more than "some Data Center agent" sadly. If you need the standing make him run a lot of courier missions. After getting any level of faction standing you can't get him back to null standing.
Moghrom Zanthor Fathom Corp	Posted - 2009.11.03 14:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/11/2009 14:51:53 Probably it worked this way: You 4,68 Caldari standing (from in game Miner 0 Caldari standing = no effect Corp Caldari standing 4.68 add guy with -0.02 Caldari standing New Caldari standing = (4.68+(-0.02) )/2=4.66/2= 2.33 Exactly your drop of 2.35 points. After ejecting the guy you probably need to do a storyline to get it moving again and in a few days it will be back to 4.68. Originally by: Moghrom Zanthor I guess I'd better get him into some Data Center agents Getting your average back to almost 5 require a bit more than "some Data Center agent" sadly. If you need the standing make him run a lot of courier missions. After getting any level of faction standing you can't get him back to null standing. Yeah, I'm going to do something drastic to fix this because I was darn close to that 0.5 pos.
Moghrom Zanthor Fathom Corp	Posted - 2009.11.03 15:15:00 - [13] I just woke up. Don't mean to run this into the ground but, just in case someone else may run in to this situation, there is a way around this. This was an issue in another corp I was in with another character. The people with low standings can leave the corp for a week+ and the pos(s) can be installed then those members can re-join corp. Problem solved. We put up 3 medium pos's so we would not have to worry about standings in the near future. Of course I was one of the idiots (no offense to anyone else who has done this) that spent several hundred million isk on tags and then ran COSMOS missions til I was blue in the face to raise my Gallente standings. I could have saved all the isk and trouble by just leaving and re-joining.
Breaker77 Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.03 15:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Venkul Mul After ejecting the guy you probably need to do a storyline to get it moving again and in a few days it will be back to 4.68. Originally by: Moghrom Zanthor I guess I'd better get him into some Data Center agents Getting your average back to almost 5 require a bit more than "some Data Center agent" sadly. Easy solution. Kick the member with the low standings. At the next DT the standings will not factor him into it. Then he rejoins and you will have 7 days to anchor your tower before he affects standings again. No storyline mission needed.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2009.11.03 21:22:00 - [15] Edited by: Barakkus on 03/11/2009 21:23:40 Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/11/2009 14:51:53 Probably it worked this way: You 4,68 Caldari standing (from in game Miner 0 Caldari standing = no effect Corp Caldari standing 4.68 add guy with -0.02 Caldari standing New Caldari standing = (4.68+(-0.02) )/2=4.66/2= 2.33 Exactly your drop of 2.35 points. After ejecting the guy you probably need to do a storyline to get it moving again and in a few days it will be back to 4.68. Originally by: Moghrom Zanthor I guess I'd better get him into some Data Center agents Getting your average back to almost 5 require a bit more than "some Data Center agent" sadly. If you need the standing make him run a lot of courier missions. After getting any level of faction standing you can't get him back to null standing. Actually you can achieve null standings with a faction. I do Minmatar and Caldari missions, but I'm gunning for a PoS so I stopped running Minmatar for now. Even after turning down faction based missions, every storyline I do for Caldari automatically hits my Gallente and Minmatar faction standings, even when the "opponents" of the story line aren't either faction. Basically the transaction says something to the effect of "xx loss due to blah blah blah for enemies of xxx faction" or some nonsense. I had positive standings with Minmatar for about a week, then it actually hit absolute 0, where Minmatar fell off my standings list completely, I checked it and it said 0.0 when I noticed it was gone.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.11.03 22:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Barakkus Actually you can achieve null standings with a faction. I do Minmatar and Caldari missions, but I'm gunning for a PoS so I stopped running Minmatar for now. Even after turning down faction based missions, every storyline I do for Caldari automatically hits my Gallente and Minmatar faction standings, even when the "opponents" of the story line aren't either faction. Basically the transaction says something to the effect of "xx loss due to blah blah blah for enemies of xxx faction" or some nonsense. I had positive standings with Minmatar for about a week, then it actually hit absolute 0, where Minmatar fell off my standings list completely, I checked it and it said 0.0 when I noticed it was gone. EVE doesn't show 0.0 standing, but you'd still be included in the averages. A true null standing requires no standing changes since birth. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Cadde Gallente 221st Century Warfare	Posted - 2009.11.03 22:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Washell Olivaw EVE doesn't show 0.0 standing, but you'd still be included in the averages. A true null standing requires no standing changes since birth. Yes exactly, in the client you have: 0.0 == NULL TRUE On the server you have: 0.0 === NULL FALSE Or in other words, NULL is NULL, 0.0 IS NOT NULL. ---------- To the OP, please also note that Effective standings doesn't count. It's your base standings that count! So if you have 4.68 effective standings but only 3.9 base standings. And you are the only corp member, then the corp standing is 3.9 and not 4.68 as one might expect. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!

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