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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.03 14:24:00 -
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Hi everyone, as you may have guess from the title I was wondering if there is an ideal ratio of tanking mods to ECM when flying this ship. Just as a preliminary I was thinking about the setup below; this ship will not be engaging solo, its purpose is to bridge recon/bomber fleets into hostile space before joinging the fleet to add some support. My question is, would the fitting below benefit from a different mid configuration (I also fly a lolarmourtanked Scorpion) or is this on the right track?
[Widow, Blackie]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM Burst II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Covert Jump Portal Generator I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
All advice is appreciated.
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.03 15:52:00 -
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Why not T2 rigs? Why ECM burst? Why not Siege?
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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.03 15:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Why not T2 rigs? Why ECM burst? Why not Siege?
Well, T2 rigs because although this is an expensive ship, adding another 2-400 million in rigs isnt going to help me that much more. ECM burst...well thats one of the questionable modules. Ive used it before to great effect as a GTFO module which is one of the things you want when flying a BS the same price as a carrier. As for siege... -.- bad troll is bad.
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William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Why not T2 rigs? Why ECM burst? Why not Siege?
Well, T2 rigs because although this is an expensive ship, adding another 2-400 million in rigs isnt going to help me that much more. ECM burst...well thats one of the questionable modules. Ive used it before to great effect as a GTFO module which is one of the things you want when flying a BS the same price as a carrier. As for siege... -.- bad troll is bad.
You realize Torps work better on this ship than cruises right?
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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: William Caldon
You realize Torps work better on this ship than cruises right?
The thought had occured about using torpedos on the ship but the range granted by the cruises is desired to help take out targets such as ECM boats at range. Torps on this ship gain about 30km range but thats not much help in comparison to a Vanilla Raven. My thoughts with this ship is that its truly useful in the role of support, hopefully filling the gaps in a recon/bomber gang with regards to range.
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DeputyFruitfly
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Posted - 2009.11.03 18:29:00 -
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It's difficult to properly describe what a lolfit that is.
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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.03 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: DeputyFruitfly
It's difficult to properly describe what a lolfit that is.
Well, you're more than welcome to explain what you think is wrong with it but from your comment I get the feeling that you haven't quite considered what is the objective of this ship. If you genuinely have experience then your contribution would be appreciated, I'm looking for possible improvements that can be made around the role of ECM/mid DPS within a pvp environment.
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.03 23:15:00 -
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First of all, Siege=Torps. Sorry, but I troll you not.
I wrote an extensive explanation, but then realised I was giving hard won knowledge and advice that would be lost on you, as well as info that I prefer to keep hush-hush about. I will however do you a favor.
Let me be clear: IF YOU ARE NOT IN TORPEDO RANGE, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.03 23:17:00 -
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I think it should be like ecm 0 and the rest something useful for a proper widow. Just bridge a falcon or two and be done with it. Some people may disagree but meh.
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp
First of all, Siege=Torps. Sorry, but I troll you not.
I wrote an extensive explanation, but then realised I was giving hard won knowledge and advice that would be lost on you, as well as info that I prefer to keep hush-hush about. I will however do you a favor.
Let me be clear: IF YOU ARE NOT IN TORPEDO RANGE, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Hehe, okies my apologies. I realise the risks involved in flying a black ops ship is certanally higher than most, and those rare few that do fly these remarkable ships would naturally be cautious about giving up their trade secrets. Thanks for the tip on the Torps though, I shall bear it in mind when revising my fittings. I've flown recon ships for quite some time now in both lowsec and 0.0 and am looking forward to flying this ship (with the usual covert ops caution  )
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Commander Shag
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.11.04 01:18:00 -
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Everyone I know that flys this ship fits tank and gank, no ECM. Use torps and fit a painter.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.04 05:24:00 -
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It's not like the "secret" is all that complicated. You tackle the target with a force recon, then open the cyno and bring in the black ops for the kill. Since the recon has to be within tackle range of the target, that means you will always arrive within torp range, and if you're in torp range, torps are better than cruise missiles by a huge margin.
As for ECM: 1-2 faction multispectrals at most. With 8 mids, it's easy to get into serious diminishing returns on more tank due to the stacking penalty, and a pair of faction multispectrals actually give you reasonable jam chances against a single target. However, you don't want a full ECM fit, as it costs you too much tank and gank (SDAs = no BCUs).
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Englebert Humperdinck
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Posted - 2009.11.04 13:19:00 -
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Looking at a medium gang role, say 6-7 people including the black ops and hunter, plus some SBs, personally i was considering a slave set and armour tank. This nets about 100k ehp, plus a MWD and full rack of ECM. Has anyone tried this, or am i missing out on something very obvious? |
Maisonian
Amarr
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.04 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Englebert Humperdinck
Looking at a medium gang role, say 6-7 people including the black ops and hunter, plus some SBs, personally i was considering a slave set and armour tank. This nets about 100k ehp, plus a MWD and full rack of ECM. Has anyone tried this, or am i missing out on something very obvious?
Well, I've been flying an armor tanked scorpion in gang for a little while now with some success. It just seems to be such a shame to armor tank a sheild tanked ship...
[Scorpion, Scorp]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Warp Disruptor II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - Ion Field Projector II
ECM - Ion Field Projector II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
81k EHP before implants but it just feels wrong in some way (lol incoming flamestorm) doing this to a black ops.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.04 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Englebert Humperdinck
Looking at a medium gang role, say 6-7 people including the black ops and hunter, plus some SBs, personally i was considering a slave set and armour tank. This nets about 100k ehp, plus a MWD and full rack of ECM. Has anyone tried this, or am i missing out on something very obvious?
You are missing out on the lack of DPS. Black ops need dps, and that means 3-4x BCUs + torps. If you get into a situation where you need a full rack of ECM, you are doing something very, very wrong.
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