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Nicski	Posted - 2009.11.04 15:58:00 - [1] I'm 3 months old and am looking forward to moving to low sec in the next month or so. I've got my eye on a particular system - Aeschee which is a 0.2 sec system in the Essence region. So this post is about finding out how I gain information on that system and the locals and any general advice about difficulties in making such a move, advised routes, gear to take with me (eg BPO for ammunition / rigs). If Aeschee is not a good choice for whatever reason, please post why along with alternatives if known. My main (this character) is a Mission runner with good standing with various corporations and limited industrial skills. I have a PvP alt on a second account whom I intended to flip and make my main once I'm settled in low sec and then use my current main to support him finacially + manufacture ammunition / rigs. Both characters are currently in NPC corps but my intention is to join the relevant local Player Corp with both characters (if they will have me). So this is a reach out to them and I am willing to make a temporary visit with my PvP character prior to the main move and run a few ops to see if I get along with them. Thanks for any advice in advance.
Avan Sercedos The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.11.04 16:19:00 - [2] Aeschee is an excellent choice
Novantco The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.11.04 16:24:00 - [3] Oh aye Aeschee is a grand system laddy, you'll have a whale of a time there.
pausert Caldari AFK	Posted - 2009.11.04 16:32:00 - [4] Mission running in low-sec is really not that good of an idea. Stay in high-sec with yourmission runner to make safe isk, use your alt to pvp. You will find your pvp alt will need lots of skills,ships,ammo, etc and it's much easier to do missions in empire when you need isk without worring about losing mission fitted ships,standings and time.
Ghoststalker01	Posted - 2009.11.04 17:09:00 - [5] I can confirm that aeschee is a totally safe system for missioning, however the missions are harder so a faction/officer fit battleship (preferably faction) is best to use there.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.11.04 17:57:00 - [6] I tried running missions in Aeschee and found there were way too many pirates for my comfort. It's too close to highsec -- the safer spaces are deep within lowsec. However, I bet those Sisters of Eve loyalty points are quite valuable. Suggested strategy: join the biggest pirate corp in the area. Your pirate friends will be blue to you, and everyone else will be afraid of you, so you can farm the mission agent for ISK in between PVP ops. ... The Fighting Republicans now recruiting for a 2010 comeback campaign!
Kha'Vorn Gallente Maori tribe	Posted - 2009.11.04 18:14:00 - [7] Not a good choice of system. However your not far away from a good area. Try base of Vitrauze, from there you can travel deep into low sec, Palmon and up. Just watch out for Veto, the locals. Also Tuskers are in the area.
Nicski	Posted - 2009.11.04 18:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Ghoststalker01 I can confirm that aeschee is a totally safe system for missioning, however the missions are harder so a faction/officer fit battleship (preferably faction) is best to use there. Thanks Ghoststalker01, nice to hear (people are so helpful in this game). That shouldn't be a problem as I've got several Billion ISK worth of faction gear to choose from - what I'm going to do is ship it down in my Bestower next week some time - could you suggest when the best day and time to avoid a gank is and obviously what route should I take to avoid the camps. Thanks in advance.
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.04 19:15:00 - [9] Originally by: pausert Mission running in low-sec is really not that good of an idea. The Op says he is looking forward to moving to low-sec. Missioning is a good way to get your feel for the area, the locals and learn how to stay on your toes while making isk. Despite the over generalizations of many, numerous folks have the situational awareness and flexibility to almost exclusively mission in low-sec with minimal losses. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that just because someone writes on the forums that something can't or shouldn't be done that they always know what they are talking about or that they possess the same game skill you do. Most of them don't. Another alternative for the OP: come on down to Evati. We sell very reasonable passes to mission runners. Buy one for your mission runner alt and PvP with your other toon. Convo or mail me ingame if you want more information or to talk to some passholders to confirm we honor our agreements with all passholders.
Ubik Null Minmatar The Ore House	Posted - 2009.11.04 19:40:00 - [10] 14 ships killed, 1 podding in the last 24 in that system. I'd be hesitant to tell the Universe what low sec system I'll be in setting up house. There are some folks in EVE who actually shoot ships and stuff. I've always thought that for mission folks it's best to find an NPC Corp that had a wide range of agents covering a nice progression of levels and systems, as far as mission running. Eventually, you'll want to be +8 somewhere in hi-sec for jumpers. Nice to have options. At first it's also nice, imo, to pick a Corp that sells your desired faction ammo for LP points. I'm into autocannons and artillery, so the Gallente hybrid faction ammo does me little good. Otherwise you need to pay street price. This may not even be an issue for you. At 3-4 million skill points I'm sure you can find a PC to join. Lots of caveats to that, but I'd look for a Corp. You'll learn lots there. Look in the recruitment channel, not for a corp, but for a feel of what's going on. It can be educational. Good luck.

Johnny Lurch Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:15:00 - [11] I've been living in a 0.1 system for about 3 weeks now, running missions, exploring, looking for trouble at times ;) It has been one of the funnest and most educational experiences I've had so far in this game. I've escaped several pirates warping into my deadspace plus numerous chases. I highly recommend it, especially if you're a new character (like me). Fun per hour >>>>>>>>> ISK per hour. Plus, the rats, roids, LP rewards, etc are very nice. Or you can strap on a drool cup and left click for hours while cursing out ninja salvagers in high sec.
Ownsta No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Nicski Thanks Ghoststalker01, nice to hear (people are so helpful in this game). That shouldn't be a problem as I've got several Billion ISK worth of faction gear to choose from - what I'm going to do is ship it down in my Bestower next week some time - could you suggest when the best day and time to avoid a gank is and obviously what route should I take to avoid the camps. Thanks in advance. Since i'm not a lowsec pirate anymore I'm going to give you a suggestion. dont fly in an industrial ship without proper scouts, and dont put more than 500mil items in it, indies are a nice target in lowsec. oh and.. dont run missions there because you will get shot. try to join a corp thats deeper into lowsec, and not as busy as aeschee or other relevant systems. ossim b00bage
Modrak Vseth Veto.	Posted - 2009.11.05 16:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Kha'Vorn Just watch out for Veto, the locals. Also Tuskers are in the area. We got a shoutout! As others have pointed out, missioning in lowsec is a dangerous proposition. It's not IMPOSSIBLE. It IS DANGEROUS. You have to accept that fact that just like in PvP, you are eventually going to lose a ship. It may not be right away, but it'll happen. You'll get comfortable with 1 person being in local and not think of it. Another person will join local and you'll think "Meh, it'll take him at least 2 minutes to find me, I'll just finish up this spawn". When you see him drop out of warp 30 seconds later is when you'll realize that other person in local was his alt probing you out. By then, it's probably too late. I'm not trying to dissuade you from doing what you think is going to be fun. Far from that. Just remember that lowsec is like the backstreets. Don't trust anybody.
Chi'kote Serenity Ascension Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.05 19:10:00 - [14] Here's another tip: Don't come into the forums, ANY forum here, and announce where you want to go. Now you have 574948549 pirates waiting for you in that system, praying you actually come there so they can kill you. Also, low sec mission, usually not a good idea. Unless you are in a large group in an area where your group really kinda controls it, you are just begging to get scanned out and blown to bits. A PVE setup will lose to even lesser ships with PVP setups. Keep the mission running to high sec unless you run them in the situation I just mentioned. And again, don't announce to pirates where in low sec you are going, mmmk
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.11.05 19:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Chi'kote Also, low sec mission, usually not a good idea. Unless you are in a large group in an area where your group really kinda controls it, you are just begging to get scanned out and blown to bits. Two alternative ways this idea could be expressed are: 1. Missioning in low-sec is usually a bad idea, unless you are in a large group that controls its area. 2. Missioning in low-sec is an awesome idea, just be sure to join the right group, a group that controls its area and is large enough to defend it. Why so negative? ... The Fighting Republicans now recruiting for a 2010 comeback campaign!
Captain Tardbar State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.11.06 15:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Why so negative? I dunno. The key to surviving in low sec is to watch local and learn to cloak up when someone comes in. Obviously, going into a system where people are already are with the intent to mission might be a bad idea unless you want to actively fight them or just get your cherry podded to see what it is like and how well you stand up to someone coming for you. Or you could... Just for practice... Go into a busy low sec system and create a safe spot in the middle of space and learn to probe people out and then just warp to them to get their reaction.
Raelyf The Bastards	Posted - 2009.11.06 16:58:00 - [17] Quote: Now you have 574948549 pirates waiting for you in that system, praying you actually come there so they can kill you. Believe it or not, pirates have better things to do than sit around in a single system for the hope a single new mission runner will jump down on an undetermined date. That said, you will more than likely be attacked quite often anywhere worthwhile in lowsec - but it won't because you made a forum post. Quote: Also, low sec mission, usually not a good idea. May or may not be true. From a pirates perspective, it's nearly impossible to catch a savvy mission runner. The bigger problem is efficiency - you'll have to, fairly frequently, warp out of your mission or dock up or log, ect. The interruptions may mean mission running no longer makes financial sense.
Kha'Vorn Gallente Maori tribe	Posted - 2009.11.07 02:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Modrak Vseth Originally by: Kha'Vorn Just watch out for Veto, the locals. Also Tuskers are in the area. We got a shoutout! You'll get comfortable with 1 person being in local and not think of it. Another person will join local and you'll think "Meh, it'll take him at least 2 minutes to find me, I'll just finish up this spawn". When you see him drop out of warp 30 seconds later is when you'll realize that other person in local was his alt probing you out. By then, it's probably too late. Yup, this is how Veto work, and they are dam quick about it too. Safe spot...Not when Veto are about :)
Toonces Otama	Posted - 2009.11.07 03:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Toonces Otama on 07/11/2009 03:05:45 Edited by: Toonces Otama on 07/11/2009 03:04:58 Originally by: Ownsta Originally by: Nicski Thanks Ghoststalker01, nice to hear (people are so helpful in this game). That shouldn't be a problem as I've got several Billion ISK worth of faction gear to choose from - what I'm going to do is ship it down in my Bestower next week some time - could you suggest when the best day and time to avoid a gank is and obviously what route should I take to avoid the camps. Thanks in advance. Since i'm not a lowsec pirate anymore I'm going to give you a suggestion. dont fly in an industrial ship without proper scouts, and dont put more than 500mil items in it, indies are a nice target in lowsec. oh and.. dont run missions there because you will get shot. try to join a corp thats deeper into lowsec, and not as busy as aeschee or other relevant systems. I'm 99% sure he was kidding with his responce. If not, well...


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