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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.11.04 18:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Abomination
Gallente and minmittar ships are fine, blasterthron is the best damage dealing turret based battleship, dom has most drones available. The only problem atm is tracking on large proj guns. Other than that, its just down to the player
If only the railguns hit a little better (when ignoring Megathron's tracking bonus), and if only drones were a bit better and not so readily available to all anyway.
That said, something needs done about projectiles. I'm thinking something *other* than boosting tracking, which is exactly what it lacks. It's just a boring boost...
Otherwise, Minmatar *ships* are possibly the best if you compare stats. They've got everything the Gallente lack and need to truely get into close combat and own (speed and midslots)
As an interesting, but radical, idea... Low slots are, if you compare Caldari, low-tech. Gallente, being "close combat" need a little more staying power. Staying power, as in making your opponent stay. As in mid slots.
Trade?
Tanking isn't the Gallente way anyway.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.11.04 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Abomination
Gallente and minmittar ships are fine, blasterthron is the best damage dealing turret based battleship, dom has most drones available. The only problem atm is tracking on large proj guns. Other than that, its just down to the player
If only the railguns hit a little better (when ignoring Megathron's tracking bonus), and if only drones were a bit better and not so readily available to all anyway.
That said, something needs done about projectiles. I'm thinking something *other* than boosting tracking, which is exactly what it lacks. It's just a boring boost...
Otherwise, Minmatar *ships* are possibly the best if you compare stats. They've got everything the Gallente lack and need to truely get into close combat and own (speed and midslots)
As an interesting, but radical, idea... Low slots are, if you compare Caldari, low-tech. Gallente, being "close combat" need a little more staying power. Staying power, as in making your opponent stay. As in mid slots.
Trade?
Tanking isn't the Gallente way anyway.
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spiritfa11
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:33:00 -
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The only drawback to a megathron is the cap(due to mwd most pilots use). plus it takes more cap to fire most of the rails compared to most of the lasers (due to ammarian ship bonus). once projectiles are fixed we will start seeing alot more minmatar ships out there.
the ships are fine. i think alot of people need lessons on tactics and how to effectively fit your ship. just because you cant have a ship that can do everything doesnt mean you should nerf some and boost others. pick a role and use your ship that way. there shouldnt be any 1 ship fleets out there...
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spiritfa11
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:33:00 -
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The only drawback to a megathron is the cap(due to mwd most pilots use). plus it takes more cap to fire most of the rails compared to most of the lasers (due to ammarian ship bonus). once projectiles are fixed we will start seeing alot more minmatar ships out there.
the ships are fine. i think alot of people need lessons on tactics and how to effectively fit your ship. just because you cant have a ship that can do everything doesnt mean you should nerf some and boost others. pick a role and use your ship that way. there shouldnt be any 1 ship fleets out there...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:41:00 -
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Agreed, but we all know what ships dominate in 1 on 1 combat...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:41:00 -
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Agreed, but we all know what ships dominate in 1 on 1 combat...
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.11.04 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rhunako
i dont know whats more annoying complaints about balance or the replies to the posts.
Somewhat agreed here... BUT what bother Weirda even more are all of the:
"I was looking at this gun and I decided that it is better then my gun."
Out of context - someone could always make a case for A being better then B... etc...
The balance come into play when they are mounted on the ship that they belong on... Amarr guns look better 'out of the box'... but get NO damage bonuses on ships (ROF bonuses sometimes)... But most others get damage/rof/tracking/etc... bonuses on the proper ships.
Unfortunatley many ppl don't realize this (as was stated on another post earlier today). Weirda Specialize (fly all 4) in two different races (Matari and Amarr) and am AMAZED at the balance that really is achieved between the two when you keep your skills at relative levels... 
Whatever though - this does seem like more of a troll then anything else... regardless of the OP intent... 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.11.04 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rhunako
i dont know whats more annoying complaints about balance or the replies to the posts.
Somewhat agreed here... BUT what bother Weirda even more are all of the:
"I was looking at this gun and I decided that it is better then my gun."
Out of context - someone could always make a case for A being better then B... etc...
The balance come into play when they are mounted on the ship that they belong on... Amarr guns look better 'out of the box'... but get NO damage bonuses on ships (ROF bonuses sometimes)... But most others get damage/rof/tracking/etc... bonuses on the proper ships.
Unfortunatley many ppl don't realize this (as was stated on another post earlier today). Weirda Specialize (fly all 4) in two different races (Matari and Amarr) and am AMAZED at the balance that really is achieved between the two when you keep your skills at relative levels...
Whatever though - this does seem like more of a troll then anything else... regardless of the OP intent...
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.11.04 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Agreed, but we all know what ships dominate in 1 on 1 combat...
Yeah - those the ones that Weirda love to kill the most... basically because you know EXACTLY how they have it loaded out... then it's just math... 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.11.04 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Agreed, but we all know what ships dominate in 1 on 1 combat...
Yeah - those the ones that Weirda love to kill the most... basically because you know EXACTLY how they have it loaded out... then it's just math...
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Cat Dope
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Posted - 2004.11.05 09:53:00 -
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IMHO. Well, sure. This is a game and all. But it makes sence that there's a best ship, best weapon etc, even if that isnt what CCP and you guys want. if every god d*mn things were perfectly balanced, why not loose all ships but a frig, cruiser and a battleship and let thoose ships be able to use missiles, lasers, projectiles and hybrids (for cool effects) thats bull.
Im a megathron pilot and I have this special thing going on with my megathron late at night and so on 
What i wanted to say is that im happy with how things are
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Cat Dope
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Posted - 2004.11.05 09:53:00 -
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IMHO. Well, sure. This is a game and all. But it makes sence that there's a best ship, best weapon etc, even if that isnt what CCP and you guys want. if every god d*mn things were perfectly balanced, why not loose all ships but a frig, cruiser and a battleship and let thoose ships be able to use missiles, lasers, projectiles and hybrids (for cool effects) thats bull.
Im a megathron pilot and I have this special thing going on with my megathron late at night and so on
What i wanted to say is that im happy with how things are
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2004.11.05 10:03:00 -
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Megathron shoudl get at least a cap boost.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2004.11.05 10:03:00 -
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Megathron shoudl get at least a cap boost.
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.11.05 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
Megathron shoudl get at least a cap boost.
agree
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.11.05 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
Megathron shoudl get at least a cap boost.
agree
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: drunkenmaster
Don't be a div.
I agree with your sig. 
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: drunkenmaster
Don't be a div.
I agree with your sig.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.07 18:45:00 -
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Please stop whinning. By now we know that CCP can't balance ships properly therefore pick the ship you think its uber and train for it. Stop whinning they won't nerf and everyone will be happy.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.07 18:45:00 -
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Please stop whinning. By now we know that CCP can't balance ships properly therefore pick the ship you think its uber and train for it. Stop whinning they won't nerf and everyone will be happy.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.11.08 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Abomination
Gallente and minmittar ships are fine, blasterthron is the best damage dealing turret based battleship, dom has most drones available. The only problem atm is tracking on large proj guns. Other than that, its just down to the player
Bull****.
It used to be true but long ago.Blastherthron has always been only good in small battles, now its completely obsolete with the gankageouddons.Only a few fanatics fly balstherthorns now.
Still the Devs say gankageouddons are ok , so i wont again raise this topic, im just like everyhbody planing to buy raven since i cant fly ammar ships.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.11.08 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Abomination
Gallente and minmittar ships are fine, blasterthron is the best damage dealing turret based battleship, dom has most drones available. The only problem atm is tracking on large proj guns. Other than that, its just down to the player
Bull****.
It used to be true but long ago.Blastherthron has always been only good in small battles, now its completely obsolete with the gankageouddons.Only a few fanatics fly balstherthorns now.
Still the Devs say gankageouddons are ok , so i wont again raise this topic, im just like everyhbody planing to buy raven since i cant fly ammar ships.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.11.08 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hornymatt
There's always one ship that is relatively superior to the rest. My theory is that the "balancing" periodically carried out is not so much to make all ships equal as to ensure that no one ship remains the best forever.
Or at least this is the effect if not the intention. If the forum posts are anything to go by it roughly went apoc to scorp, then temp, raven, and now apoc seems to be flavour of the month again.
Just a shame that the Apoc is the best at everything and has no drawbacks, and the weapons for the Apoc (lasers) again have zero drawbacks.
Megathrons just fine as it is tbh, good weapons bonus and carrys more drones than an apoc, its still a good ship and its fine as it is.
Apoc needs something reduced (pgrid or reduced laser bonus) just something that stops it armour tanking indefinatly firing multispectral ammo constantly and never run out of cap.
My megathron cant fire the best ammo and tank like an apoc, i have to use a lower grade ammo to be able to have a sustainable tank.
Apoc and its guns simply havent got any drawbacks, projectiles (for gods sake someone fix their tracking) and hybrids use ammo, have longer reload times and for this havent got any benefits at all over lasers that reload nearly instantly and fire forever.
Tempest is fine as it is, only its weapons are knackered, megathrons totally fine as it is.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.11.08 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hornymatt
There's always one ship that is relatively superior to the rest. My theory is that the "balancing" periodically carried out is not so much to make all ships equal as to ensure that no one ship remains the best forever.
Or at least this is the effect if not the intention. If the forum posts are anything to go by it roughly went apoc to scorp, then temp, raven, and now apoc seems to be flavour of the month again.
Just a shame that the Apoc is the best at everything and has no drawbacks, and the weapons for the Apoc (lasers) again have zero drawbacks.
Megathrons just fine as it is tbh, good weapons bonus and carrys more drones than an apoc, its still a good ship and its fine as it is.
Apoc needs something reduced (pgrid or reduced laser bonus) just something that stops it armour tanking indefinatly firing multispectral ammo constantly and never run out of cap.
My megathron cant fire the best ammo and tank like an apoc, i have to use a lower grade ammo to be able to have a sustainable tank.
Apoc and its guns simply havent got any drawbacks, projectiles (for gods sake someone fix their tracking) and hybrids use ammo, have longer reload times and for this havent got any benefits at all over lasers that reload nearly instantly and fire forever.
Tempest is fine as it is, only its weapons are knackered, megathrons totally fine as it is.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.11.08 02:08:00 -
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It does make me chuckle when i see people mentioning the megathron sucks because their blaster boat of self anhialation doesnt work very well, throns can fit more than just steriotype blasters, mine manages perfectly fine with a full rack of 350's and doesnt have the average low life span of a blasterthron piloted by a blind lemming with a death wish, megathrons are utterly fine as they are, they are an excelent ship and are very well balanced.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.11.08 02:08:00 -
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It does make me chuckle when i see people mentioning the megathron sucks because their blaster boat of self anhialation doesnt work very well, throns can fit more than just steriotype blasters, mine manages perfectly fine with a full rack of 350's and doesnt have the average low life span of a blasterthron piloted by a blind lemming with a death wish, megathrons are utterly fine as they are, they are an excelent ship and are very well balanced.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.11.08 06:47:00 -
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Leave poor mega alone, it roxors just rite atm.
Temp needs a little boost to give it a strong point, more cap or a bit more pg maybe, but apart from that its all fine atm.
The tweaking thats needed is the dmg mod stacking 
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.11.08 06:47:00 -
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Leave poor mega alone, it roxors just rite atm.
Temp needs a little boost to give it a strong point, more cap or a bit more pg maybe, but apart from that its all fine atm.
The tweaking thats needed is the dmg mod stacking
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Axel
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Posted - 2004.11.08 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Axel on 08/11/2004 09:15:29
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Leave poor mega alone, it roxors just rite atm.
Temp needs a little boost to give it a strong point, more cap or a bit more pg maybe, but apart from that its all fine atm.
The tweaking thats needed is the dmg mod stacking
I agree with ya, these days it's all about stacked damage mods. And the megapulses do to much damage for their powergrid use, they hit at very very close ranges to.
It sure is difficult to fly a blasterthron these days.
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Axel
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Posted - 2004.11.08 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Axel on 08/11/2004 09:15:29
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Leave poor mega alone, it roxors just rite atm.
Temp needs a little boost to give it a strong point, more cap or a bit more pg maybe, but apart from that its all fine atm.
The tweaking thats needed is the dmg mod stacking
I agree with ya, these days it's all about stacked damage mods. And the megapulses do to much damage for their powergrid use, they hit at very very close ranges to.
It sure is difficult to fly a blasterthron these days.
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