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Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:21:00 - [1] Most of the builds I see for a Tengu mission runner have a painter, usually a PWNAGE. On my Drake, my drones kill most of the web/scram frigates. But I carry some precision missiles too. They rip through the frigates. Why use the painter. It just lowers your tank?
Jessica Fyers Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:26:00 - [2] You dont need the same tank on a Tengu as you do on a Drake. Also, Tengu can only carry drones when configured as a gunbot, which is worse than meh. TP is used to squeeze that extra bit of damage out of your missiles, especially HAM-Tengus, therefore taking NPCs out faster -> faster mission completion time. Heck, on my Tengu i fit a webber as well, frigs die in 2 volleys. Fake edit: lol, first time i had to wait for the 5 min cooldown ---------------------------------------------- Some people say you should fight fire with fire... Nonsense of course; you should fight everything with fire!
Arkeladin	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Admiral Byng Most of the builds I see for a Tengu mission runner have a painter, usually a PWNAGE. On my Drake, my drones kill most of the web/scram frigates. But I carry some precision missiles too. They rip through the frigates. Why use the painter. It just lowers your tank? Depends on your situation, and your Tengu fit. Tengu only has one offensive module with a dronebay, and that one's pretty small (25 m3). Use it, and you really can't fit enough launchers to be effective - you make it a gunboat, lowering your DPS by quite a bit. That's why a lot of Tengu fits have painters - no drones. Or, depending on the situation, you can be like me and fit one Assault if you expect a lot of frigs - the Tengu velocity and ROF bonuses make Assaults EXTREMELY effective - what's not to love about a 3.7 ROF? :) 5 Heavies and one Assault with FoFs work pretty well at taking out most things you'll find in L3s - wouldn't use it in a L4 though.
Jessica Fyers Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Arkeladin ... wouldn't use it in a L4 though. And yet thats exactly where they are used, why pay a load of cash just to do lvl3s in it? Sure it doesnt beat a Golem or CNR at their game, but it at least feels like you fly a ship and not an asteroid! Fit it either with HMs or HAMs, strap a good afterburner and tank - you dont even need extreme faction stuff - and have fun. I have had some hairy moments when i was 5x webbed, but took them out so fast i didnt believe it; and shield didnt drop below 98% even then. ---------------------------------------------- Some people say you should fight fire with fire... Nonsense of course; you should fight everything with fire!
Verela	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:53:00 - [5] I usally carry both Fury and Presicion missles, 10 seconds aint that bad of a switch time. Prision for frigs and dessies, Fury for Cruiser and up. I may be young, but i will still fight for what i belive in.
Arkeladin	Posted - 2009.11.09 02:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Jessica Fyers Originally by: Arkeladin ... wouldn't use it in a L4 though. And yet thats exactly where they are used, why pay a load of cash just to do lvl3s in it? Sure it doesnt beat a Golem or CNR at their game, but it at least feels like you fly a ship and not an asteroid! Fit it either with HMs or HAMs, strap a good afterburner and tank - you dont even need extreme faction stuff - and have fun. I have had some hairy moments when i was 5x webbed, but took them out so fast i didnt believe it; and shield didnt drop below 98% even then. Try posting the whole line before you warp what I say - you look like less of a tool then. WHAT I SAID: Quote: 5 Heavies and one Assault with FoFs work pretty well at taking out most things you'll find in L3s - wouldn't use it in a L4 though. MEANING: (for the Engilsh-impaired like yourself) I wouldn't take a Tengu config WITH FIVE HEAVY LAUNCHERS AND ONE ASSAULT INTO A LEVEL 4. Six heavies, yes. 5 and a Assault? NO. In a level 4 Tengu I'd fit a painter too. So please, LEARN2ENGLISH, and don't twist what people write to your own ends. At least don't do it to me - I'll call you on it.
Jessica Fyers Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2009.11.09 02:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Arkeladin stuff Angry bunny arent you? Tough day at school? Rant on if it makes your e-peen bigger.... Jeez ---------------------------------------------- Some people say you should fight fire with fire... Nonsense of course; you should fight everything with fire!
Admiral Byng	Posted - 2009.11.09 03:39:00 - [8] What I see here is: On a HAM Tengu take a painter On an HML Tengu it is fine to switch ammo.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.11.09 04:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Admiral Byng What I see here is: On a HAM Tengu take a painter On an HML Tengu it is fine to switch ammo. This. Mainly because there are no precision heavy assaults. Also a painter means you get the full use of rage missiles, which is basically the only reason to bother with HAMs. Pushes you over 800dps.
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.11.09 05:29:00 - [10] I use Painters on all my fits, Precisions are ok but its way faster due to range of T1 heavys to just kill all frigs as you approach with the TP then after they are gone kill all the BS`s with furys. I rip through frigs rediculously fast, also I use the 6 launcher 7 mid 3 Low setup since 4th BCs is negligable and I use 2 painters with a few missios where there is a ton of frigs. I Paint 2 diff frigs at a time and split launchers ion them and they melt, you actually get mor Dmg using a t1 missle and a painter on frigs than just precsion. But the biggest reason I love the TP is because I can actually shoot Fury`s at Cruisers and 1 shot them, since it makes the sig radius 30% bigger your Furys work like a charm on cruisers. TL;DR Use painter all the time, on some missions [frig heavy] use 2 painters and split launcher groups so u blow thru them. Also it makes furys kill slow cruisers/Fast[angel]Bc`s like a charm. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)

NoNah	Posted - 2009.11.09 06:17:00 - [11] Depends entirely on what you're doing. If you're in a fleet, you should have someone better at target painting doing it and you can have more useful modules such as points and tackle, or even ECCM. However, I get the feeling this is about missions, in which it all comes down to how much you care about efficiency. In a mission you want to increase and optimize your damage output through any possible means. A target painter raises your applied damage, no other midslot does(bar AB but I presume you have one one already and webs, however in a much more narrow scope). You don't need the tank ergo - there is no reason NOT to fit one. Same reasonng goes with the fourth or fifth BCU. If you're there to take a stroll or whatnot, it might not be what you're looking for. If you want to maximize, why not? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 347066
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.11.09 08:46:00 - [12] Is it any better at missions then a NH with its vel. bonus?
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.11.09 08:58:00 - [13] tengu is amazing at level 4s vs serps and guristas with its insanely high obtainable kin therm shield resists. Mine has a republic fleet painter and 10mn ab. 1 cn invul and a pith x type kin hardener, shield amp and booster, 4 cn bcus 6 t2 launchers, it melts frigs in 1 volley if painted, i also have a tech 2 rigor rig
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.11.09 10:45:00 - [14] Pve : HAM Tengu usually uses tp - to get full dps with terror rages on cruisers and more dps on elite frigs. HML Tengu - 3x rigor fit doesnt need tp - you already do full damage to everything cruiser and up, non elite frigs need 1 volley, elite frigs need 2-4 volleys. Tp "can" lower the number of volleys /cn or precision missiles/ needed to kill elite frig to 2-3, but if you are shooting them while they approach you /= they are pulsing mwd/, it isnt needed. Sometimes tp doesnt help at all, web is more effective for killing elite frigs, but it takes some secs to slow them down - and since they are close you are probably going to waste 1 volley on a frig, that is almost at its full speed.
Col Angus	Posted - 2009.11.09 14:28:00 - [15] I must just be uber skilled then...I one volley frigs all the time in my HML Tengu, and I have neither a painter nor Rigors. My T1 missiles only have an explosion radius of 90m. I switch to T2 Fury for BS's only.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.11.09 15:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Col Angus ... Proof or stfu. Get to angel extravaganza, find angel viper, wait till it gets in orbit and then 1 volley it with t1 missiles /or even precision/. Fraps it and show us...
N Ano Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.09 15:26:00 - [17] I use precision missiles and dont bother witha painter at all. Kinda pointless IMHO
Col Angus	Posted - 2009.11.09 18:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Col Angus ... Proof or stfu. Get to angel extravaganza, find angel viper, wait till it gets in orbit and then 1 volley it with t1 missiles /or even precision/. Fraps it and show us... I need not prove anything. You let me know when you have all your missile support skills trained to lvl 5, and all the Caldari subsystems trained to lvl 5 as well. My preferred mission setup has 3x CN BCU's and 6x T2 Heavy launchers. All NPC, non assault, frigates and destroyers go pop from 4-6 missiles (not volleys, missiles). NPC BC's and cruisers, non assault variety, all drop from 12-18 missiles (that's 2-3 volleys). I've been playing this game for 4.5 years, have 70+ mil sp's, 200+ skills and 85 skills @ lvl 5 (yes I am posting with an alt). I stopped caring to prove myself a long time ago. Either you can believe me or not, it's not my fault that I am better than you.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.11.09 20:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Col Angus ... No i dont believe you. [ 2009.11.02 14:19:44 ] (combat) <color=0xff99bb00>Group of Scourge Precision Heavy Missile hit Angel Viper for <b>266</b> damage [ 2009.11.02 14:19:48 ] (combat) <color=0xff99bb00>Group of Scourge Precision Heavy Missile hit Angel Viper for <b>315</b> damage [ 2009.11.02 14:19:52 ] (combat) <color=0xff99bb00>Group of Scourge Precision Heavy Missile hit Angel Viper for <b>388</b> damage [ 2009.11.02 14:19:56 ] (combat) <color=0xff99bb00>Group of Scourge Precision Heavy Missile hit Angel Viper for <b>443</b> damage 6x hml2, 4x cn bcu, 3x rigor 1 /55 expl radius of precisions/, no tp or web, relevant skills l5 or l4 - sometimes you get good hits /when elite frig is mwding/, but i dont think its possible to 1 volley it and definately not possible without rigors or multiple webs/tps
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.11.09 20:48:00 - [20] Originally by: N Ano I use precision missiles and dont bother witha painter at all. Kinda pointless IMHO Nano post your fit, precsion as a whole kinda suck, low range, lower dmg than using t1 with rigors and painter, also you have to switch missle types. I just use painter on targets and pop them with my furys...Its faster since you dont have to switch missle types till end of mission then you kill all frigs at once. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)

N Ano Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.09 22:14:00 - [21] I cant remember the subs but its 3 bcus 1 power diagnostic 10mn afterburner 1 small pithi booster 2 hardeners 2 shield boost amps 6HML 1 damage rig 1 rep cycle rig 1 ccc
Col Angus	Posted - 2009.11.09 22:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Stuff... Replace the assault in my post with the word elite, and I imagine that we'll come close to being on the same page.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.11.09 23:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Col Angus I must just be uber skilled then...I one volley frigs all the time in my HML Tengu, and I have neither a painter nor Rigors. My T1 missiles only have an explosion radius of 90m. I switch to T2 Fury for BS's only. Unless you use no groups what so ever(IE one missile per frigate), what was your point? If you can kill a frigate with 6 missiles without rigors, and 3 with rigors... guess what... Parrots, commence! Postcount: 886161
Removal Tool Space Jerks	Posted - 2009.11.09 23:32:00 - [24] Please include PVE in your title.


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