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Shazard
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.11.09 09:59:00 -
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One day I was doing IV mission, and it was getting very late so I was left with one more stage to go... but had no time. So I abandoned it and returned next day.
I was very surprised (and glad) to found out that mission has reset with all the ships present, so I had one more chance to harvest whole stages and finish the mission!
Ok that is nice when you get mission reset after restart... Question is... how does CCP reacts on deliberate abuse of this mechanics... Because if I have mission with several stages, I still can harvest it meny times until mission is active (that is week) so I can get in general 7x bounties/salvages/loot from one mission!
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Xar0
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:15:00 -
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As far as i'm aware, it's not abuse of game mechanics in any way. It's working as intended.
I am however not really sure what you'd gain from doing this, as opposed to just spamming missions.
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wallenbergaren
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:23:00 -
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Not everyone runs tons of missions each day
If you get a good one and farm it once a day you get more out of your missioning time
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2009.11.09 13:10:00 -
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Congratulations on your discovery of mission farming.
It is actually quite common. If I am not LP blitzing and need ISK then I will often farm some of the big missions like AE. It works as long as you don't meet the victory conditions.
If you finish the mission but don't turn it in it will not refill and all you will do is miss out on the bonus. So get to know the missions and see which ones you can farm and which rooms you can clear without ending the mission.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:11:00 -
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Yep... happens all the time.
Find about a bunch of agents that are close together... and just turn down missions till you get the uber good ones (this is now a little harder as standings go down quicker than they used to).
Eventually though, since the mission will continue to reset for a decent period of time, you can just do the mission once per day... not quite completing it.... and most people don't do more missions per day than there are agents :P
This is how people farm stuff... especially tags.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dacryphile on 09/11/2009 17:10:36
This isn't really worth it if you only have one agent you work for, as you limit yourself to that one mission per day.
It can be nice if you don't have more than an hour or so to play during the week to have a good mission to run each day.
If you can find a place where you have multiple agents close together, then it can be worth your while.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:21:00 -
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I have done it a few times. having 8+ faction standings really helps too for pulling multiple missions.
hardly exploitive as you lose out on 6 days worth of lp/standings/mission rewards.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.10 17:40:00 -
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Miners do this too as some missions produce a substantial amount of ore which also respawns.
It's been mentioned many times on the forums with no hint its an exploit and I don't see why it should be really. You're just doing mission A instead of mission B so it's not like your avoiding effort.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.11.10 18:08:00 -
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While you can repeat the same mission up to 8 times (7 day period with 7 down times is actually spread over 8 days so can complete 8x), it tends to be more efficient to not farm missions.
Eg Take AE4 which so many farm. It has the bonus pocket so if you farm it - 1/3 the bounties/loot/salv is not completed. You have pockets to travel through and need to send your looter/salv through the same pockets which takes time - more time than someone who completes it. If your not completing the mission, your likely to still have the mission objective shooting at your loot/salv boat. Someone completing the mission gets the mission reward, the mission bonus, plus value of the lp which farming does not collect.
So in all you get a slightly juicier mission that you fail to get the most from as your missing the juiciest 1/3, taking longer to loot/salv, plus missing the mission reward/bonus/lp. When I do AE4 its 7700 lp in hi-sec for my current agent with over 3.3 mil for mission reward + bonus. If value the lp at 2000 isk/lp then thats 15.4 mil extra from lp alone giving 18.7 mil more for completion in the same time, plus your loot/salv is faster/easier. If you give lp no value, then you can find farming missions more efficient - otherwise it tends to be less. 2000 isk/lp - mission farmers will claim its high on the value as they dont value it. Myself I've had no lower than 3500 isk/lp in the last 15 months with as high as 7000+ isk/lp - talking a few mil lp so not extra tiny amounts either.
If you want to farm, farm away as it keeps the completion times up and makes more isk for the rest of us who dont farm missions. There are much better missions to farm, eg Blockade can be run faster than AE4 and dont have the travel through gates nor loss of 1/3 the mission bounties/loot/salv in a bonus pocket.
Also to think about is your tractor range, eg if your spreading loot/salv over a 70km radius and have only 20km raduis on your tractor, will take a while to loot salv. This is why many dont loot/salv much as they find it too much effort even though is great isk from.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:16:00 -
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It's not an exploit...yet.
But as with many other fun and interesting uses of flawed game mechanics that have been taken advantage of in the past, it will get changed as it becomes more common.
A good example would be ghost training. When it was a thousand people doing it, CCP couldn't be bothered with it. But when everyone, it seemed, had an alt training while not subbed, CCP started to take notice.
This will happen with farming missions, as well.
So, my advice is to take advantage while you can.
Mr Epeen 
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2009.11.12 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Irdia Freelancer
While you can repeat the same mission up to 8 times (7 day period with 7 down times is actually spread over 8 days so can complete 8x), it tends to be more efficient to not farm missions.
Eg Take AE4 which so many farm. It has the bonus pocket so if you farm it - 1/3 the bounties/loot/salv is not completed. You have pockets to travel through and need to send your looter/salv through the same pockets which takes time - more time than someone who completes it. If your not completing the mission, your likely to still have the mission objective shooting at your loot/salv boat. Someone completing the mission gets the mission reward, the mission bonus, plus value of the lp which farming does not collect.
So in all you get a slightly juicier mission that you fail to get the most from as your missing the juiciest 1/3, taking longer to loot/salv, plus missing the mission reward/bonus/lp. When I do AE4 its 7700 lp in hi-sec for my current agent with over 3.3 mil for mission reward + bonus. If value the lp at 2000 isk/lp then thats 15.4 mil extra from lp alone giving 18.7 mil more for completion in the same time, plus your loot/salv is faster/easier. If you give lp no value, then you can find farming missions more efficient - otherwise it tends to be less. 2000 isk/lp - mission farmers will claim its high on the value as they dont value it. Myself I've had no lower than 3500 isk/lp in the last 15 months with as high as 7000+ isk/lp - talking a few mil lp so not extra tiny amounts either.
If you want to farm, farm away as it keeps the completion times up and makes more isk for the rest of us who dont farm missions. There are much better missions to farm, eg Blockade can be run faster than AE4 and dont have the travel through gates nor loss of 1/3 the mission bounties/loot/salv in a bonus pocket.
Also to think about is your tractor range, eg if your spreading loot/salv over a 70km radius and have only 20km raduis on your tractor, will take a while to loot salv. This is why many dont loot/salv much as they find it too much effort even though is great isk from.
I'm not sure that you actually knew how to farm... no offense mate.
In point of fact, there were several different ways of farming missions. It so happens that they way I used was blocked by CCP last patch, so obviously they had decided it was no longer a way they wanted to keep in game. Farming with multiple agents is still possible, though it's less profitable.
The gain was a lot better than just "slight" though. Most people simply presume I lie when I say how much I was earning as they don't think its even possible. People weren't farming because they were idiots...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Peeping
Originally by: Irdia Freelancer
While you can repeat the same mission up to 8 times (7 day period with 7 down times is actually spread over 8 days so can complete 8x), it tends to be more efficient to not farm missions.
Eg Take AE4 which so many farm. It has the bonus pocket so if you farm it - 1/3 the bounties/loot/salv is not completed. You have pockets to travel through and need to send your looter/salv through the same pockets which takes time - more time than someone who completes it. If your not completing the mission, your likely to still have the mission objective shooting at your loot/salv boat. Someone completing the mission gets the mission reward, the mission bonus, plus value of the lp which farming does not collect.
So in all you get a slightly juicier mission that you fail to get the most from as your missing the juiciest 1/3, taking longer to loot/salv, plus missing the mission reward/bonus/lp. When I do AE4 its 7700 lp in hi-sec for my current agent with over 3.3 mil for mission reward + bonus. If value the lp at 2000 isk/lp then thats 15.4 mil extra from lp alone giving 18.7 mil more for completion in the same time, plus your loot/salv is faster/easier. If you give lp no value, then you can find farming missions more efficient - otherwise it tends to be less. 2000 isk/lp - mission farmers will claim its high on the value as they dont value it. Myself I've had no lower than 3500 isk/lp in the last 15 months with as high as 7000+ isk/lp - talking a few mil lp so not extra tiny amounts either.
If you want to farm, farm away as it keeps the completion times up and makes more isk for the rest of us who dont farm missions. There are much better missions to farm, eg Blockade can be run faster than AE4 and dont have the travel through gates nor loss of 1/3 the mission bounties/loot/salv in a bonus pocket.
Also to think about is your tractor range, eg if your spreading loot/salv over a 70km radius and have only 20km raduis on your tractor, will take a while to loot salv. This is why many dont loot/salv much as they find it too much effort even though is great isk from.
I'm not sure that you actually knew how to farm... no offense mate.
In point of fact, there were several different ways of farming missions. It so happens that they way I used was blocked by CCP last patch, so obviously they had decided it was no longer a way they wanted to keep in game. Farming with multiple agents is still possible, though it's less profitable.
The gain was a lot better than just "slight" though. Most people simply presume I lie when I say how much I was earning as they don't think its even possible. People weren't farming because they were idiots...
cool story bro. I think the best part was the complete lack of details.
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