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Claire Raynor
NovaGear
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:24:00 -
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Eve Role Playing Experience and the CQ. I myself donGÇÖt and never would RP in-game, but I do like games that present a nice depth and feel for their players, and I really think that the CQ, (CaptainGÇÖs Quarters), is a great addition to the game. I think it offers a potentially huge positive effect on a playerGÇÖs sense of immersion. Role playing games are about escapism to some extent and, for me at least, the CQ re-enforces my suspension of disbelief. I also love the Nex shop and the items that you can buy from it for the same reasons of immersion. I feel a role playing game needs to let you identify and express yourself through your avatar, something you couldnGÇÖt do before in Eve. I feel that the Nex Store and the CQ do very naturally go hand in hand and complement one another nicely.
Eve has always done spaceships well. EveGÇÖs done it better than anything else on the market, in my opinion. The spaceships part of the game has become known as FiS or Flying in Space as opposed to the new content that is WiS or Walking in Stations. Some people, (like the current CSM Leader), have stated that FiS is Eve Online, (with the implication that WiS is somewhat of a misdirection of CCPGÇÖs limited creative resources), and whilst it is true that WiS would be mostly meaningless without FiS, (in the context of Eve), I think WiS is still of huge importance, (potentially even in its own right).
Whereas Eve has focused entirely upon FiS or the spaceships until now, most Science fiction films and literature focus on the human story and place much less focus upon their spaceships. The human story could be analogous to the WiS aspect of Eve. Of course I accept that Eve is interactive as opposed to narrative and therefore FiS has to come first. But I do feel that with the new WiS content CCP have catered for those of us who were attracted to Eve because of our enjoyment of science fiction in general and always wanted something that alluded to a GÇ£human storyGÇ¥ as well as the FiS.
I just really like it and I just wanted to post to express my thanks to CCP for doing this,
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Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:34:00 -
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Actually, it breaks immersion.
The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical.
And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either.
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Knot'Kul Sun
Society Of The Abattoir Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:41:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion. The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical. And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:45:00 -
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I've been known to RP on occasion, and I don't find that being able to walk around a single room in a clunky manner without being able to interact with other clunky walkers improves immersion at all.
Particularly when that room isn't even Amarrian! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:49:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion. The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical. And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either.
Exactly so. Leave the capsule is supposed to be a big and impressive event - a real change of mindstate for the transhuman capsuleers we are. It should be a choice we make and ideally would be nice to have cutscene or something dramatic when we make that choice.
The way CQ/Incarna is implemented now is a slap in the face for Eve Roleplayers now. Add to that NeX store is a ridiculously-unbelievable fiasco. Its an imperialist Amarrian fashion house that has license to operate in Minmtar space and uses a Minmatar roach-motel as the display cabinet for its goods that cost more many times more than battleships?
All things considered Incarna (thus far) is terrible for RP and the only useful spin-off is the ability to screenshot your full body avatar for web bios.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |

Takamori Maruyama
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:58:00 -
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Hope for the best and expect the worst gentlemen. |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:00:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion. The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical. And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either. Pretty much this.
And in addition, let me quote this:
CCP@PAX Prime 2011 wrote:EVE will always and forever be mainly about space and flight. The Incarna process is really just a side-game. |

Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:02:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion. The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical. And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either.
Sounds to me like you have a lack of imagination.
And as a demi-god, hurling and general spazzing about everytime I get out of my pod is severly beneath me. After 3 months of this now it has become second nature to me. I have no more trouble getting out of my pod than I have getting out of my bed every morning.
And its been what, 2 - 3 months since the release of said monocle? And you still complain about it? If that is about the general fear of "gold ammo" or other gamebreaking items in the nex store, then I can assure you that CCP for the time being and for the forseeable future, have no intention of implementing it.
If its for the price then it sounds like you don't even like the damn thing. So why bring it up...
Some people... |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
240
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:10:00 -
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Lucien Visteen wrote:Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion. The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical. And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either. Sounds to me like you have a lack of imagination. And as a demi-god, hurling and general spazzing about everytime I get out of my pod is severly beneath me. After 3 months of this now it has become second nature to me. I have no more trouble getting out of my pod than I have getting out of my bed every morning. And its been what, 2 - 3 months since the release of said monocle? And you still complain about it? If that is about the general fear of "gold ammo" or other gamebreaking items in the nex store, then I can assure you that CCP for the time being and for the forseeable future, have no intention of implementing it. If its for the price then it sounds like you don't even like the damn thing. So why bring it up... Some people...
It's the people who can't RP without being able to see their character who have a lack of imagination.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Exactly so. Leave the capsule is supposed to be a big and impressive event - a real change of mindstate for the transhuman capsuleers we are. It should be a choice we make and ideally would be nice to have cutscene or something dramatic when we make that choice.
Agreed, and I think CCP does too. Transition from space to hangar to CQ is coming but I doubt the transition will be immersive. I did see one quote somewhere that they had more plans for that transition but I don't have confidence that they have or will spend the resources to make it happen.
Jade Constantine wrote:The way CQ/Incarna is implemented now is a slap in the face for Eve Roleplayers now. Add to that NeX store is a ridiculously-unbelievable fiasco. Its an imperialist Amarrian fashion house that has license to operate in Minmtar space and uses a Minmatar roach-motel as the display cabinet for its goods that cost more many times more than battleships?
I don't like the NeX but I suspect it is based on some sort of commission system with the designers. I have no evidence of this though. I do want a wide range of personalization options but the cost and mechanism they selected is beyond irritating considering what we already spend on the game. The alternative, free to play and pay to win, scares me even more.
Jade Constantine wrote:All things considered Incarna (thus far) is terrible for RP and the only useful spin-off is the ability to screenshot your full body avatar for web bios.
Incarna, thus far, was intended to be an early release to test new technology. That fact seems to have been forgotten as soon as it was released. It doesn't bug me that probably 50-75% of players have it disabled. I think CCP has gotten the message that performance is degrading for so many people but they also got a chance to field test it on TQ and get a lot of strongly worded feedback. I've made my opinion known that I want Incarna in addition to flying in space but I'm also waiting for the winter expansion to see what a first release of it is supposed to look like.
All they've delivered so far is the Incarna alpha test. Unfortunately, they sold it as something more.
Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |

Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:15:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:It's the people who can't RP without being able to see their character who have a lack of imagination.
I can imagine quite a bit but at this point I can use all the help that I can get.
Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
49
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:17:00 -
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I did write a massive reply to the OP, but the forums are so completely ****** that my post disappeared when I tried to preview it. Session didn't time out, as I'm still logged in. CCP, your web developers keep proving their incompetence, it's becoming very frustrating. If you can't fire them, could you at least cut their salaries low enough so they quit, then bring in some talent?
You'll live without my scathing feedback on how you managed to destroy immersion with Incarna, I'm sure. Keep being :awesome:!
- Chief of Security, EOH Poker - Terrorist cult advocate |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:18:00 -
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Uht oh! You just said exactly the WRONG thing. Now the freedom loving IHI (I Hate Incarna) mob is going to descend upon your post and show you what freedom of speech really means! The way you worded your post I can't help but believe you're truly a nice person who means well, so it's going to pain me mightily to see your post heavily stepped on by the wannabee activists who are no where to be found when there's a risk of incarceration or bodily harm but can spread text like a bovine can scatter cow pies when it comes to DEMANDING THEIR DUE RIGHTS on a forum.
I always thought it was sort of dumb that we never got out of our ships. It reminds me of someone who never changes his socks. And, pew weee, we're about to get an eyeful of those folks!
Good post. Thanks for being honest. Prepare for the fake firestorm to follow.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
268
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:23:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Lucien Visteen wrote:Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion. The process is supposed to look somewhat like this - having all the tubes removed and podgoo cleaned off to enter a shabby space-motel each time you drop off some ore is extremely nonsensical. And yeah - a monocle for the price of 20 battleships (supposedly big pieces of advanced technology with crews numbering in the hundreds) doesn't help my immersion either. Sounds to me like you have a lack of imagination. And as a demi-god, hurling and general spazzing about everytime I get out of my pod is severly beneath me. After 3 months of this now it has become second nature to me. I have no more trouble getting out of my pod than I have getting out of my bed every morning. And its been what, 2 - 3 months since the release of said monocle? And you still complain about it? If that is about the general fear of "gold ammo" or other gamebreaking items in the nex store, then I can assure you that CCP for the time being and for the forseeable future, have no intention of implementing it. If its for the price then it sounds like you don't even like the damn thing. So why bring it up... Some people... It's the people who can't RP without being able to see their character who have a lack of imagination.
Bloody hell Lucien Visteen you made me like the second Rodj Blake post today! 
Accusing people of lack of imagination for not liking the Incarna rubbish is super ironic given the degree to which roleplayers have made do with their imagine since the beginning of the game quite happily. You do understand that sometimes a hokey special effect monster in a film is actually worse for suspension of disbelief than some creepy music and threatening shadows right?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
268
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:24:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Uht oh! You just said exactly the WRONG thing. Now the freedom loving IHI (I Hate Incarna) mob is going to descend upon your post and show you what freedom of speech really means! The way you worded your post I can't help but believe you're truly a nice person who means well, so it's going to pain me mightily to see your post heavily stepped on by the wannabee activists who are no where to be found when there's a risk of incarceration or bodily harm but can spread text like a bovine can scatter cow pies when it comes to DEMANDING THEIR DUE RIGHTS on a forum.
I always thought it was sort of dumb that we never got out of our ships. It reminds me of someone who never changes his socks. And, pew weee, we're about to get an eyeful of those folks!
Good post. Thanks for being honest. Prepare for the fake firestorm to follow.
Are you one of those reactionary forum brownshirts I've been hearing about?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
49
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:28:00 -
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- Chief of Security, EOH Poker - Terrorist cult advocate |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:33:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Uht oh! You just said exactly the WRONG thing. Now the freedom loving IHI (I Hate Incarna) mob is going to descend upon your post and show you what freedom of speech really means! The way you worded your post I can't help but believe you're truly a nice person who means well, so it's going to pain me mightily to see your post heavily stepped on by the wannabee activists who are no where to be found when there's a risk of incarceration or bodily harm but can spread text like a bovine can scatter cow pies when it comes to DEMANDING THEIR DUE RIGHTS on a forum.
I always thought it was sort of dumb that we never got out of our ships. It reminds me of someone who never changes his socks. And, pew weee, we're about to get an eyeful of those folks!
Good post. Thanks for being honest. Prepare for the fake firestorm to follow.
Are you one of those reactionary forum brownshirts I've been hearing about?
Depends on who you heard it from. Are you going to finish that sandwich?
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:34:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:It's the people who can't RP without being able to see their character who have a lack of imagination.
The greatest RP'ers indeed manage to live out their character through themselves, and there are many sucessful games that draw on this talent.
For some though its not about living out the character. But using some sort of "medium" in your own stead. And for some players it gets easier to RP against others when they have a face and or body to relate to.
Stating that it breaks immersion is, I guess, on your end. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:35:00 -
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How much thought did that take? I've got a second. Tell me all you know.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:36:00 -
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Lucien Visteen wrote:
Sounds to me like you have a lack of imagination.
And as a demi-god, hurling and general spazzing about everytime I get out of my pod is severly beneath me. After 3 months of this now it has become second nature to me. I have no more trouble getting out of my pod than I have getting out of my bed every morning.
And why would I want to leave my pod when I just want to drop off some ore?
Quote: And its been what, 2 - 3 months since the release of said monocle? And you still complain about it? If that is about the general fear of "gold ammo" or other gamebreaking items in the nex store, then I can assure you that CCP for the time being and for the forseeable future, have no intention of implementing it.
If its for the price then it sounds like you don't even like the damn thing. So why bring it up...
Personally, I just ignore NeX pretty much from the start and you wont find a single one of my posts complaining about it.
The OP pointed out how it helps his immersion, which had me point out that the pricing structure is entirely out of line with eves otherwise quite coherent pricing structure, so if it has any impact on roleplayers immersion, it must be negative, which some of the most seasoned and prominent roleplayers in this game have already confirmed.
The fact it's entirely out of line wont change over time - be it 3 months or 3 years.
On a side note: I don't even roleplay, but I prefer some coherence in a games setting. CQ and NeX are so terribly incoherent with the rest of the game, it makes one wonder if the people responsible even remotely knew the game.
Umm, yeah... |

Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Bloody hell Lucien Visteen you made me like the second Rodj Blake post today!  Accusing people of lack of imagination for not liking the Incarna rubbish is super ironic given the degree to which roleplayers have made do with their imagine since the beginning of the game quite happily. You do understand that sometimes a hokey special effect monster in a film is actually worse for suspension of disbelief than some creepy music and threatening shadows right?
Glad I could be of help  |

Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:05:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote: And why would I want to leave my pod when I just want to drop off some ore?
I dont know why you would leave your pod everytime you drop off some ore, I'm not you. And according to CCP some time in the future it will indeed be optional to leave the pod or not. If my understanding of their posts are accurate.
Just that stating it breaks immersion to me reads as you either lack imagination since you can't come up with something suitable, or you don't care about immersion that mutch anyway. Whitch begs to wonder why you stated it breaks immersion.
Name Family Name wrote:Personally, I just ignore NeX pretty much from the start and you wont find a single one of my posts complaining about it.
The OP pointed out how it helps his immersion, which had me point out that the pricing structure is entirely out of line with eves otherwise quite coherent pricing structure, so if it has any impact on roleplayers immersion, it must be negative, which some of the most seasoned and prominent roleplayers in this game have already confirmed.
The fact it's entirely out of line wont change over time - be it 3 months or 3 years.
Then you are like me. I dont use the nex store mutch myself, as it is too expencive for me atm.
I apologice if you took offence in that part of my response. But saying that a monocle cost as mutch as something else witch is so mutch more useful. Is jumping on a bandwagon that stopped rolling some time ago. It's old, the current price is set, new items might come in cheaper but it won't change the current prices.
If the items in the store adds to the immersion of the OP, good for him/her. Then why come and single out one item in it. And why the very item that did get all that hype when it was introduced? I can't find anywhere in OP's post saying that the Monocle helps with his immersion. |

Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:18:00 -
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Lucien Visteen wrote:
I dont know why you would leave your pod everytime you drop off some ore, I'm not you. And according to CCP some time in the future it will indeed be optional to leave the pod or not. If my understanding of their posts are accurate.
Just that stating it breaks immersion to me reads as you either lack imagination since you can't come up with something suitable, or you don't care about immersion that mutch anyway. Whitch begs to wonder why you stated it breaks immersion.
Why would I have to come up with some explanation to cope with something entirely unreasonable that has been implemented as a NeX display room? That's the entire point - nobody would leave their ship and even less their pod when dropping off some ore. But you're right - CCP said they'd address the issue, so let's see what they do...
Quote:Name Family Name wrote:Personally, I just ignore NeX pretty much from the start and you wont find a single one of my posts complaining about it.
The OP pointed out how it helps his immersion, which had me point out that the pricing structure is entirely out of line with eves otherwise quite coherent pricing structure, so if it has any impact on roleplayers immersion, it must be negative, which some of the most seasoned and prominent roleplayers in this game have already confirmed.
The fact it's entirely out of line wont change over time - be it 3 months or 3 years.
Then you are like me. I dont use the nex store mutch myself, as it is too expencive for me atm. I apologice if you took offence in that part of my response. But saying that a monocle cost as mutch as something else witch is so mutch more useful. Is jumping on a bandwagon that stopped rolling some time ago. It's old, the current price is set, new items might come in cheaper but it won't change the current prices. If the items in the store adds to the immersion of the OP, good for him/her. Then why come and single out one item in it. And why the very item that did get all that hype when it was introduced?
No offense taken - I guess I could easily afford buying the entire NeX repertoire - I just don't see any point. My point wasn't about affordability or use of these items, but about them settling into the Eve universe. It's about the fact that a rifter is supposed to be the size of a Boeing 747 and for the price of a pair of NeX boots, you could buy ~1000 of them. But as I said, I don't really care - and for the roleplayers outthere, I'd suggest 'it's a ridiculously perky scamming attempt' as a possible explanation.
Quote: I can't find anywhere in OP's post saying that the Monocle helps with his immersion.
Claire Raynor wrote:[...I also love the Nex shop and the items that you can buy from it for the same reasons of immersion... |

Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:57:00 -
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To be honest unless the OP is CCP Apollo then I don't see how anyone can see the Nex store as a good thing.
Let's see what it along with Incarna/WiS has brought to the game at this point: * Broken immersion - Having to get out of your pod each time you dock - No pod room - Getting out of your pod naked and covered in pod goo onto a metal docking pier in the middle of nowhere - No washing facilities at all in CQ - Aren't ships supposed to break down in an oxygenated atmosphere? how do we breath then when the CQ isn't sealed from the hanger * Diluted the sandbox - Clothing not crafted as was touted in Ambulation - Clothing not destructable - Potential crafter/retailer character path now removed - Ship painting (not in yet) could have been another player crafted feature - Player created clothing and paint jobs could have added a whole raft of raw materials to the market * Monetising of Game Content - Nex items now added based on potential sales, rather than adding them for the enhancement of the game experience - Motivation shift for devs (instant money vs content with depth) * Removed racial uniqueness - Generic look for avatars - No unique clothing (Amarr male robe the exception) to truly identify each race - Bringing in outside designers that appear to have no knowledge of EVE's lore or look/feel of the original character creator - The designers do know this is a Sci-Fi game don't they?
If you really sit down and look at what this sandbox game has lost and what content Ambulation was supposed to have then you wouldn't be singing the praises of Incarna in it's current state or the Nex store.
So do I dislike CCP? ... hell no! I just don't agree with the direction they have taken with Incarna so far.
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
10
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:03:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:To be honest unless the OP is CCP Apollo then I don't see how anyone can see the Nex store as a good thing.
Let's see what it along with Incarna/WiS has brought to the game at this point: * Broken immersion - Having to get out of your pod each time you dock - No pod room - Getting out of your pod naked and covered in pod goo onto a metal docking pier in the middle of nowhere - No washing facilities at all in CQ - Aren't ships supposed to break down in an oxygenated atmosphere? how do we breath then when the CQ isn't sealed from the hanger * Diluted the sandbox - Clothing not crafted as was touted in Ambulation - Clothing not destructable - Potential crafter/retailer character path now removed - Ship painting (not in yet) could have been another player crafted feature - Player created clothing and paint jobs could have added a whole raft of raw materials to the market * Monetising of Game Content - Nex items now added based on potential sales, rather than adding them for the enhancement of the game experience - Motivation shift for devs (instant money vs content with depth) * Removed racial uniqueness - Generic look for avatars - No unique clothing (Amarr male robe the exception) to truly identify each race - Bringing in outside designers that appear to have no knowledge of EVE's lore or look/feel of the original character creator - The designers do know this is a Sci-Fi game don't they?
If you really sit down and look at what this sandbox game has lost and what content Ambulation was supposed to have then you wouldn't be singing the praises of Incarna in it's current state or the Nex store.
So do I dislike CCP? ... hell no! I just don't agree with the direction they have taken with Incarna so far.
+1 for constructive criticism. This is the kind of comments we need. I agree with all these points too. Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |

VaMei
Meafi Corp
18
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:07:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Actually, it breaks immersion.
I feel the same. I don't really care for immersion from a game, but it breaks the back story supporting everything we were.
pre-Incarna, I lived among the demi-gods that had transcended the limitations of our organic bodies to become one with the machines of our creation. The limits of our wealth and power were second only to our immortality.
Post-Incarna, I'm a pilot with a nervous twitch living in a slum apartment.
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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:08:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:Claire Raynor wrote:[...I also love the Nex shop and the items that you can buy from it for the same reasons of immersion...
Claire said that the nex shop and its items as a whole adds to his/her immersion. And I can see that in the sence that it makes the character stand out more. Nothing to do in general about the pricing of it.
The nex store is not cheap, its items might be overpriced. The general population of this forum is in agreement of that fact. But does it need to be brought up in every thread that has the word nex in it? And does it need to be brought up in the way of THE MONOCLE. There are limitless other counterarguments one can use instead. |

Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2011.09.19 23:07:00 -
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Lucien Visteen wrote:
Claire said that the nex shop and its items as a whole adds to his/her immersion. And I can see that in the sence that it makes the character stand out more. Nothing to do in general about the pricing of it.
That's good for Claire - for others like me it's the exact opposite - i guess pointing that out is not so quite out of context.
Quote: The nex store is not cheap, its items might be overpriced. The general population of this forum is in agreement of that fact. But does it need to be brought up in every thread that has the word nex in it? And does it need to be brought up in the way of THE MONOCLE. There are limitless other counterarguments one can use instead.
You still seem to be missing my point. In this context, it has to be brought up.
Most people bringing it up usually do so, because they'd probably buy NeX items if they weren't so expensive, so they complain. Others bring it up because it's ridiculous from a marketing perspective - remember how Bethesda was ridiculed for oblivions horse armor? Yeah - CCP take that to another level.
In the case of roleplaying/immersion it's an entirely different issue, simply because it doesn't fit into eve's otherwise quite coherent pricing structure.
IRL, I'm into expensive watches, yet I still have to find one that costs as much as 1000 Boeings. Having that said, I understand CCPs '1000 $ jeans' reasoning behind it to some extent from a marketing perspective, yet from a roleplaying perspective and coherence of the ingame economy, it's completely absurd. |

Mehrdad Kor-Azor
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Posted - 2011.09.19 23:14:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Add to that NeX store is a ridiculously-unbelievable fiasco. Its an imperialist Amarrian fashion house...
Not so much, I'd expect the Gallente to be more into that nonsense. |

Toshiroma McDiesel
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Posted - 2011.09.20 01:31:00 -
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I've always thought about in as McCaffery's "Brains and Brawns" stories. |
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