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Etho Demerzel
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Posted - 2009.11.10 16:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Funny business, but come Dominion you can actually beat the Drake in a properly fit Hurricane... assuming good actual piloting (or slavesets and stuff).
Only if you have HG slaves and are much smarter than the drake pilot. Then again if you are much smarter than your opponent you can beat him even in a lolfits and lolships.
The hurricane is good now and will be even better after Dominion, given, but the drake is still king.
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Etho Demerzel
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Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
Can I re-word this whine?
T1 cruisers do not offer a significant enough increase in either agility and/or speed to make them preferable to battlecruisers in any situation.
Example: The nano hurricane can be made to hit 2 klicks with a gangmod, 1.6 klicks w/o, no snakes. This is considerably faster than most other races' cruisers and basically on par with other minmatar cruisers except the stabber. The nano hurricane has significantly more tank and more dps than any t1 cruiser.
This means in general that there is hardly ever any reason to field a t1 cruiser when you are serious about winning fights. Battlecruisers are virtually as easy to train for as t1 crusiers and the cost after ship loss for either is simular.
A hurricane has horrible agility compared to cruisers. You better not need to turn.
A stabber can hit 3.5 km/s easily. And almost all cruisers can go faster than 2 km/s or so. Furthermore they have a smaller signature radius and can evade Large Guns more efficiently.
A Battlecruiser will almost always kill a T1 cruiser, but a Battleship will kill a battlecruiser easier than a proper flown cruiser.
It is the same with destroyers, frigs and cruisers. A destroyer will annihilate any T1 frig, but will be quickly disposed by any T1 cruiser.
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Battleships are as a rule slow, armor tanked, and horrible small roaming gang ships. Caldari are slow shield tanking bricks, and minmatar BS seem to be built to armor tank except the maelstrom which instead is a slow shield tanking brick. Nano battleships are rare. Standard battleship speeds are too slow to survive small gang warfare. In addition battleships suffer tracking issues against everythign but other battleships.
Battleships with short range weapons (not that short if you consider pulses) track anything battlecruiser and above very well. That is one of the main disadvantages of battlecruisers.
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HACs don't have as much DPS and TANK as BC and have to use their t2 strengths to be cost effective.
HACs are not cost effective. They have their uses and excel in nano and range warfare, but they are definitely NOT cost effective.
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The result:
In small roaming gangs batlecruisers are FOTM.
HAC gangs are way more common.
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In larger roaming gangs battlecruisers backed by shield logistics OR Sniper HACS backed by shield logistics are FOTM
Until they find a RR Battleship gang and are obliterated.
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In home defense situations or fights over stationary objectives that both sides are commited to battleship fleet varients are still prefered.
In these situations Fleet Battleships are preferred, mind you.
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Etho Demerzel
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Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.11.10 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grut
As the post above you've posted a load of rubbish there. A nanocane does ~ +50% Dps more then 50% ehp, is faster and more agile then a 1600mm rupture.
And has twice the signature radius. Meaning it will take a lot more damage from battleships.
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The only reason to fly t1 combat cruisers is if you don't have the skills for a BC or if you fly t1 mods unrigged for cheapness.
Depends against what you are going.
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As far as BS go they might hit BCs abit easier but then the BC has alot more hp to makeup for it. I've never had a problem hitting cruisers in a close range BS. The only situation that really applies is 1 BS vs 1+ cruisers anyway.
Agree with everything else you said though 
Depends. A Torp Raven for example will hit a nanocane for twice as much damage than a rupture, for a example. if you have 2 nanocanes against a proper pvp raven, chances are you will die or at best run. Two ruptures can kill a pvp raven, on the other hand.
A stabber can disengage from most engagements much easier than a nanocane too if you anticipate trouble.
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Etho Demerzel
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Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.11.10 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
I submit that battlecruisers are a popular choice atm. Not claiming that they are overpowered but they are being used alot.
About as much as interceptors and less than cruisers, by your own data.
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