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Vanguarder
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:02:00 -
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I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.
The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.
As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.
one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.
Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done? |

Glencore Ramskill
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:09:00 -
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With out sounding like an ass: x3 is a very nice single player space game. I am not sure why you are complaining about solo play on a mmorpg :| |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:09:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.
The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.
As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.
one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.
Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done?
Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game.
Do you need further explanation? |

Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:10:00 -
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Incursions Suicide ganking Trading Wormholes Ninja PI Exploration Red vs Blue (action 23/7, no regular playtimes needed) Industry Scamming ... it's a sandbox, use your imagination!
But what is this brick wall between hi & low sec? I have not seen such, there are stargates that let you pass thru to the other side, like voodoo magic it works for every one AFAIK.
Lowsec is great place to solo, no gate bubble camps like 0.0, and with the safety of local unlike w-space. |

Signal11th
31
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:10:00 -
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And why can't you join a corp?
I must admit I really get bored with this hang up that people have with MMO's that because you play will other people that you should be forced to interact with them.
There's plenty of solo stuff you can do, trader, low/null-sec exploration.missions even pvp if your lucky. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Vanguarder
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:35:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.
The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.
As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.
one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.
Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done? Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game. Do you need further explanation?
Yes, there are MULTIPLE people playing all on the same servers |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
1
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:35:00 -
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Roime wrote:Incursions
But what is this brick wall between hi & low sec? I have not seen such, there are stargates that let you pass thru to the other side, like voodoo magic it works for every one AFAIK.
You shoulda seen the dent it put in the front of my Ishkur.
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Vanguarder
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:42:00 -
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I didn't mean to sound like i was complaining.
All I am saying, Is once you have worked up to level 4 missions, as a solo'er there is no where else to go if you can't / don't join corps.
In all the years since the game came out, that one fact has not changed. I guess the general feeling is there are so few solo-only players, who enjoy combat, that there is not a need to expand that part of the game.
Yes, I have a narrow focus in EVE and I have finished all I can do, so I'm done i guess.
no need to be defensive of the game people, I enjoyed it. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:43:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:Quote:
Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game.
Do you need further explanation?
Yes, there are MULTIPLE people playing all on the same servers
Well then, seeing as there is no solution for fixing stupidity, you should probably just biomass your character and be done with it.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:44:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:I didn't mean to sound like i was complaining.
All I am saying, Is once you have worked up to level 4 missions, as a solo'er there is no where else to go if you can't / don't join corps.
This is wrong.
Solo exploration. Solo wormholes. Solo belt ratting. Solo anomaly farming. Solo epic arcs. Solo COSMOs.
Done all those have you? |

Vanguarder
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:45:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Vanguarder wrote:Quote:
Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game.
Do you need further explanation?
Yes, there are MULTIPLE people playing all on the same servers Well then, seeing as there is no solution for fixing stupidity, you should probably just biomass your character and be done with it.
How long did it take you to Max out your ******* skill? Its obviously very high.
Drink Bleach, ***** |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:47:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:
How long did it take you to Max out your ******* skill? Its obviously very high.
Drink Bleach, *****
Reported for hostility and inappropriate language.
But really, u mad bro? |

Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
2
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:02:00 -
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Won't be needing your stuff then will ya... Can i haz plx  |

Niko Takahashi
Percone Outcasts
5
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:21:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Vanguarder wrote:
How long did it take you to Max out your ******* skill? Its obviously very high.
Drink Bleach, *****
Reported for hostility and inappropriate language. But really, u mad bro?
You reported him while you are the asshat hehe
the kids these days so cute bashing around with big language unti a big meanie tells them something back.
@ the OP level 4 high sec gets pretty boring Low sec anomalies in covert ship or the epic arc mission + Cosmos can be fun but after that you are really done for solo classic mission style content.
Yo can SOLO low class wormholes but that is just farming really there are no quests/missions so to speak there.
Those looking for the scripted type of content for a solo player have maybe a year worth of game time no more. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:26:00 -
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Niko Takahashi wrote: You reported him while you are the asshat hehe the kids these days so cute bashing around with big language unti a big meanie tells them something back.
I'd wager telling someone to "drink bleach" is a mild escalation of force unnecessary on these forums.
Whereas my indication that he clearly lacks the intelligence to expand beyond lvl 4 missions is quite docile.
Sweet comment tho about kids and big meanies and all. That was pretty clever. |
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:43:00 -
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Thread cleaned of trolling and off-topic posts. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us at http://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx |
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:48:00 -
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What to do in EVE Online |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2011.09.19 15:57:00 -
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I had no idea you created that Mio.
Pretty cool. |

Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:28:00 -
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I play solo a lot. I don't do missions. EVE requires some imagination. I suggest you explore other games.
Also, I get tired of threads where a guy says he is quitting and expects the community to beg him to stay. Just go already. |

Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
4
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:32:00 -
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Have you considered soloing vanguard sites? It's quite a bit more challenging than running level 4s :D |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:36:00 -
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I'll be the first to admit that lvl 4 missions get old fast, I run one or two now and then when I'm bored, but I can't stand grinding them. However, there are TONS of other things you can do solo (or, with a pick-up group in the case of incursions). Some stuff may require more effort than sitting and doing missions (like exploring), some may involve more risk (low/null sec and wormholes), but there really is a ton of content out there that you can do solo.
Also, with regards to corps, very few of them other than giant nullsec alliances are going to be demanding of you. There are plenty of highsec corps that won't require anything at all from you and will provide some friends and people to talk to and maybe the occasional helping hand when you need it (I can think of a couple times where someone would be running a mission that was just a bit too much for them and I'd bring over a ship and help them finish it). Don't let your playtime convince you that there's no corp out there that you can join, because there are corps out there that understand that RL>Eve (most do from what I've seen).
Finally, what exactly are you looking for? If you just want more lvl 4 missions, even if they add 20 new missions, they'll get old after a while. If you're looking for lvl 5 missions in highsec, they won't. But if you're looking for stuff to do other than grinding lvl 4s that won't require a huge time commitment, there's lots of stuff out there to do. |

Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:03:00 -
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Have you done L4 missions for every faction? Remember that there are stations for other factions within your own empire space you start in. They will give you different missions than what you are used to seeing out of your standard (insert empire navy station here).
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Heun zero
Aegis Evolution Family Renegades
0
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:36:00 -
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mxzf wrote:
Also, with regards to corps, very few of them other than giant nullsec alliances are going to be demanding of you. There are plenty of highsec corps that won't require anything at all from you and will provide some friends and people to talk to and maybe the occasional helping hand when you need it (I can think of a couple times where someone would be running a mission that was just a bit too much for them and I'd bring over a ship and help them finish it). Don't let your playtime convince you that there's no corp out there that you can join, because there are corps out there that understand that RL>Eve (most do from what I've seen).
This
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:56:00 -
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Get over yourself and join a corp. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.19 18:30:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:Get over yourself and join a corp.
Not empty quoting this while liking this post.
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grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:42:00 -
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Still unclear as to why you can't join a corp? We have corpies who we don't sometimes see for months, we have a few who often don't even bother to chat in corp channel, not sure why they in the corp, but hey I guess their missoning contributes to POS fuel and assisting new members, and they get access to BP and a HS POS for industry. Many corps out there will take casual players... |

Malkuth Delapounti
Bulldog Industries. Two Zero One One
0
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:45:00 -
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I'm in a Corp and maybe play a couple hours a day if lucky! It's a mining Corp and don't even have a mining ship yet! Though I'm working on it.
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Grainsalt
Lorentzian Traversable Corporation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:53:00 -
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Naming just one solo activity besides hisec missions: Wormholes. Can be alot of fun and very lucrative. |

Sul Glass
Iron Crown
0
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:58:00 -
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Damn, I been in a one man corp for over two years, never been in a corp at all and I still have not come close to doing all the things I want to do in eve. Everyday its a laugh (except when the nasty piwates blew up my navy geddon) (but hey I got away from them last month and they said I had warp stabs fitted and I DIDN'T). Man it just never ends.
My goal? Solo 0.0, and i am getting there.
Coercer FTW.
Sul. |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.09.19 22:22:00 -
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C'mon, there's heaps to be done solo in eve! But if someone reckons they've done it all and need to leave eve because there's nothing left for them, then there's really only one thing that can be said ... Can I has your stuff?
I did try hisec mission running again a couple days ago, and agree that it gets kinda stale very quickly.
Also see some ppl suggesting that "MMORPG" does not, somehow, mean (or encourage) solo play. Strikes me that that is a complete load of twaddle.
The multiplayer part of it means nothing more than there being a group of people playing ... not necessarily that they're teaming up and doing stuff together. One of the great things, IMHO, about eve is that you can do group stuff if ya want, ya can go solo if ya want, and ya can explore any variation that interests ya and the game dynamics allow.
Good solo income? The best I've managed has been residential w-space ... with my C3 income being better than C4. Solo mission-running? The epic mission arcs, especially the angels and guristas ones, are very good diversions from the epic-mundane of hisec lvl4s. Nullsec mission running is also an interesting challenge if you're not part of any local corp / alliance. I'm told ppl also run lvl5 missions from time to time. Solo incursions? Yeah, well sort of. They're designed for group play but some can be soloed, although I don't think that's worth the effort. Solo exploration? Sure, but a good exploration income is hard-work solo. Solo industry? Absolutely, if that's your kinda thing. W-space mining, gas harvesting, and PI is way better than empire equivalents and w-space corps are often looking for dedicated industrialists ... sure that'd be solo within a corp but a lot of non-combat resource gathering can be achieved solo or semi-solo.
Go, go, go team-solo!

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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
47
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Posted - 2011.09.19 23:28:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:
Also see some ppl suggesting that "MMORPG" does not, somehow, mean (or encourage) solo play. Strikes me that that is a complete load of twaddle.
No one said that solo play wasn't a possibility, its just that group/team play is more encouraged and rewarded a lot more.
Op stated that CCP does not support solo play. This is partially true to an extent. They support group player over solo play because this is an MMO. However, they still provide plenty of content for the solo player but in general, group play is more rewarding. |

Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
10
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Posted - 2011.09.20 00:00:00 -
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Liked and quoted for awesomeness.
Although I head up a high sec, mostly social, corporation most of us are pretty much solo players. I've been here a few years now and still haven't tried everything, including stuff that is totally doable by solo pilots. EVE is much deeper than missions and life outside high sec isn't difficult to adjust to.
If you can't find something new to do in EVE, especially after having only done missions, maybe a sandbox world isn't for you. I have never recommended this to anyone before but maybe something like WoW would be more your thing.
Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |

ValentinaDLM
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
403
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Posted - 2011.09.20 02:32:00 -
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Stalking Mio.
And just to add, if you are after solo PVP content, come on, you are going to have to risk. Be it pirate missions in 0.0, FW/l5 missions in low sec, sleepers in wormholes, or exploration in low or 0.0, you have to take risks if you want a different experience.
It is boring, largely because it is safe, I have to say, I am far more excited to run "The Blockade" DED l4 in stain trying to outsmart the people that want to kill me, than comfortably setting in high sec and Running "The Blockade" Blood l4 while having local minimized.
FW is even better, people can see you mission without probes, and warp right to it even, this means you have to pay attention and come up with clever strategies to not fight, or fight the attackers seems far more exciting at least.
Exploration is kinda easy, and sometimes pays out crap, even in low or null, but at least you have the excitement of possibly finding something nice, or getting an escalation.
And wormholes are fun too, you can totally do lower ones solo, and not having local you can never know if there is a bomber or a pilgrim ready to attack the moment you go to salvage that sleeper loot.
If it is excitement you seek, then it is risk you seek. |

Kesshisan
31
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Posted - 2011.09.20 04:05:00 -
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Vanguarder,
It sounds like you are unable to open your eyes to the universe around you and you do not want to make your own path. Rather you would have your path guided in front of you for you to follow. This means that EvE is not for you, and you are not for EvE. That's okay, though. Just because you and EvE don't match up doesn't mean you are a bad person or anything (despite what some people on these forums would have you believe.) There are plenty of games who cater to people like you; many of them are hugely popular, too!
I don't fault you for not wanting to play a game that isn't your playstyle, and I wish you the best of luck on whatever choices you make. . |

Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc Laika.
9
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Posted - 2011.09.20 06:42:00 -
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Please donate all of your stuff to this char. I will ensure it is put to good use within a corp, sharing with those I fly with. As it was designed to do.
All isk forwarded will be spent gambling on Blink. as it was designed to do !! |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
2
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Posted - 2011.09.20 06:57:00 -
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Rent a system in drone regions or wherever. Can rat your balls off with no obligation to defend space, attend ctas etc. Alternatively do high sec incursions. Or grow a pair and do low sec lvl4s (maybe even join FW). |

Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
3
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Posted - 2011.09.20 09:18:00 -
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Also might be worth thinking about Wormholes. Loads of stuff to do in there and you can do solo is your lucky enough to find an empty C1/C2 Plenty of smaller corps out there too |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
73
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Posted - 2011.09.20 09:53:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
Can only solo, or will only solo?
All those limits you believe exist to your gameplay are self-imposed. Can't join a corp? Self imposed. Won't take part in multiplayer group activities such as Incursions? Self imposed.
EVE is not a theme park, it is a virtual world. You are the master of your own destiny. There is no story to play your way through, there is no content spoon-fed to you in a series of quests.
Get out there, make friends, join in activities that other people are doing.
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Uzbeg Khan
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 10:08:00 -
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I used to be in a 0.0 corp which had loinger WH ops with POS's and the whole shebang. Now I can't dedicate much time to being in a corp, so after returning to the game after a longer period I had to look for stuff to do solo.
Now I'm setting up to move into a C3 with this char in a tengu, and my alt in an Orca to see if semi-occupying a WH is any fun. I'll just load up wit ammo and spare stuff, and make the best of it. When I get bored I'll have a look into exploring. Plenty of stuff to do imo.
Now to figure out what to load into that orca... |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:34:00 -
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Eight years of solo play here (as much as you can solo in a multiplayer environment)
Not run out of content yet. That suggestion tree explains it all. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Bloody Wench
15
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:51:00 -
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I've never joined a corp or had someone else in my corp, I've only even fleeted with someone else a couple of times (that didnt end well).
Sometimes I feel like I'm missing out other times not so much. I'd like to see more of null especially supers in action, outposts etc. Just for the 'oh that's cool' factor.
I've done lvl 4's until I thought I'd kill myself, but that was really only a means to an end as it happened. I used it to fund my first and second solo ventures into wormholes. First 2 times were both C3 with varying amounts of success/fails.
I went back to lvl 4s for a couple of months to fund my latest WH adventure, C4. Been there since January, so pretty much 9 months. The WH has funded 5 accounts PLEX + a Dread and some Carriers, some expensive tengus and a rorqual, just because I wanted one to move the 6M M3 of Ark I really couldnt be ****** hauling out without compressing. But yeah I'm getting to the point now where I've more ISK than I can use, so again there's a lack of motivation. I really only play for less than 10 hours a week if you don't count lurking in Jita on this character messing about with the market. I bought 32 ammo BPCs because the maths looked interesting, I however failed to realise that the total build time is 30 days unless I import another ammo array. (ammo arrays only have 5 slots) so there's another lesson for me to remember. Jita -> WH production -> back to Jita sounded like a good idea at the time, even without Empire access full time it's pretty easy. So lets hope that ammo doesnt crash before I get it all done.
It does get boring as hell sometimes, the game in general, when solo, just find yourself something else to do. EG I just installed Age of Empires 3, which is crap btw, but it beats looking at the door in EVE. |

Bloody Wench
15
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:59:00 -
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Here's something else I always enjoyed. Get yourself a rifter, 3 stabs MWD, guns are optional and see how many jumps into null you can go. or, Try a round trip to serpentis prime for starters. Pack some guns and a do a lvl 1 serpentis mission just for lulz. (or wherever the lvl 1 agents are) |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:12:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Here's something else I always enjoyed. Get yourself a rifter, 3 stabs MWD, guns are optional and see how many jumps into null you can go. or, Try a round trip to serpentis prime for starters. Pack some guns and a do a lvl 1 serpentis mission just for lulz. (or wherever the lvl 1 agents are)
This guy is scared of the brick wall that resides between .5 and .4 space. I doubt he'll head out to null any time soon.  |

Seraph Cruoris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:18:00 -
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I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:33:00 -
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Seraph Cruoris wrote:I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have.
Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:42:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Seraph Cruoris wrote:I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have. Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line. 
I think the point is that CCP doesn't want its bottom line to be mission runners. They still make a profit. Could they make more if they just rolled out mission content? Probably. But they don't want that. They want the game they have dreamed of, not a game dedicated to mission grinding.
As much crap as people give CCP (myself included) I like that they stick to their guns, what they want for the game without selling out to the "majority."
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:48:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:I didn't mean to sound like i was complaining.
All I am saying, Is once you have worked up to level 4 missions, as a solo'er there is no where else to go if you can't / don't join corps.
In all the years since the game came out, that one fact has not changed. I guess the general feeling is there are so few solo-only players, who enjoy combat, that there is not a need to expand that part of the game.
Yes, I have a narrow focus in EVE and I have finished all I can do, so I'm done i guess.
no need to be defensive of the game people, I enjoyed it.
Exploration is your answer. Exploration is a fairly decent attempt by CCP to cater to the solo player. Learn how to navigate low and null sec, and you can be that renegade lone space captain who strikes it rich.
You have to have some patience for it, but it's the best way to feel like you're out in space on your own looking for interesting things. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:54:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:Seraph Cruoris wrote:I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have. Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line.  I think the point is that CCP doesn't want its bottom line to be mission runners. They still make a profit. Could they make more if they just rolled out mission content? Probably. But they don't want that. They want the game they have dreamed of, not a game dedicated to mission grinding. As much crap as people give CCP (myself included) I like that they stick to their guns, what they want for the game without selling out to the "majority."
That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.
"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:00:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:
That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.
"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.
Spoken like a true cynic.
CCP wants Eve to be a space simulator. Incarna has been in their thoughts for years. Yes they're using it to demo crap for another game. However, I think its a great addition to expand eve. Hell, I can't wait to have "establishments" like bars and such. It'll be great to get away from just "internet spaceships."
CCP has always been a company that does their own damn thing. Mission runners may be a large source of CCP's revenue, but that's to be expected. No reason to cater to it. Give them the bare minimum and continue as planned. They should continue to create the game they want. If you don't like Eve, don't play it. They're still making a ton of money and having a great time, I'm sure. |

Uzbeg Khan
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:
That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.
"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.
Spoken like a true cynic. CCP wants Eve to be a space simulator. Incarna has been in their thoughts for years. Yes they're using it to demo crap for another game. However, I think its a great addition to expand eve. Hell, I can't wait to have "establishments" like bars and such. It'll be great to get away from just "internet spaceships." CCP has always been a company that does their own damn thing. Mission runners may be a large source of CCP's revenue, but that's to be expected. No reason to cater to it. Give them the bare minimum and continue as planned. They should continue to create the game they want. If you don't like Eve, don't play it. They're still making a ton of money and having a great time, I'm sure.
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :) |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:29:00 -
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Uzbeg Khan wrote:
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)
Mild hyperbole I think... |

Calfis
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
44
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
Vanguarder wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.
The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.
As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.
one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.
Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done? Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game. Do you need further explanation? Yes, there are MULTIPLE people playing all on the same servers
I dont think the above point has been explained by the OP. While itis true that there are multiple people on a single shard he did not explain why he is playing on a single shard with multiple players if he only intends to play with himself via PVE. As explained by others there are single player space sim games that accomplish this, so why play an MMO space sim if you don't intend to partake in the "MM" portion of it? |

Uzbeg Khan
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 19:29:00 -
[53] - Quote
Emperor Salazar wrote:Uzbeg Khan wrote:
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)
Mild hyperbole I think...
Wrote a rant about ccp development, but decided against posting it. Could have turned all my internet spaceships into DUST  |

Alaik
Rekall Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2011.09.21 08:20:00 -
[54] - Quote
Uzbeg Khan wrote:Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)
On the other hand, that lone industrialist is going to make a fortune selling ships to the other 64 people. =) |

Espiritu Santo
Inevitable Incursion
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 09:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
While i agree with all the haters stating its an MMOPRG.......this is completely true.
But in life....we are never in the company of X amount of people 24/7, and everyone enjoys their own company at some point or another some more than others.
A few years back it was very easy to run solo and to run in groups, and everyone had the best of both worlds...
CCP set out to destroy the solo possibility for what ever reason.
I personally wish they hadn't, as now you have to choose which Blob to join or die.
And OP you are completey right about the missions being tedious and essentially boring, the only other thing you can successfully solo these days is mining, and i would simply not advise you to venture into PvP if you prefer the solo style, because as it stands at the moment......
PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob. |

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
39
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:04:00 -
[56] - Quote
Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.
They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.
Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes. |

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
39
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:05:00 -
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Espiritu Santo wrote:PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.
I do enjoy blanket statements like this from people who have zero experience in doing it. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:15:00 -
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Lady Go Diveher wrote:Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.
They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.
Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes.
This guy gets it.
The guy above him....clearly does not. |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
5
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:10:00 -
[59] - Quote
Espiritu Santo wrote:
CCP set out to destroy the solo possibility for what ever reason.
I personally wish they hadn't, as now you have to choose which Blob to join or die.
And OP you are completey right about the missions being tedious and essentially boring, the only other thing you can successfully solo these days is mining, and i would simply not advise you to venture into PvP if you prefer the solo style, because as it stands at the moment......
PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.
Bolded the only true part in here. Edit: Hmm, bold doesn't work too well on the forums, now I underlined it too.
Missions and mining are very much NOT the only things you can do solo, there's tons of things you can do solo. Most stuff might not be the same "accept mission, go kill some rats, accept next mission" or "lock rock, start strip miners, lock next rock" grind that missions and mining are, but if you actually want to do something interesting with your game, there's tons of stuff to do.
And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:30:00 -
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mxzf wrote: And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.
The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:42:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:mxzf wrote: And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.
The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill. 
pvp means player v. player
gank is just a form of pvp
if you want old-west style duels, Eve is probably not for you |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:52:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:mxzf wrote: And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.
The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill.  pvp means player v. player gank is just a form of pvp if you want old-west style duels, Eve is probably not for you
As can be expected from TEST. There was a time when blobbing and kb humping wasn't all there is in Eve. Back then, there were many more pvpers in proportion to carebears as well. Then the pvpers left, carebears continue to join then leave after average of 6 month due to lack of mission content, and we're left with... people like you. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:07:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:As can be expected from TEST. There was a time when blobbing and kb humping wasn't all there is in Eve. Back then, there were many more pvpers in proportion to carebears as well. Then the pvpers left, carebears continue to join then leave after average of 6 month due to lack of mission content, and we're left with... people like you. 
Awww thats adorable. You connect my personal opinions to an alliance I've been in for <30 days. Aren't you just to die for.
But really, its been like this for years. Are there blobs? Yes. They're called fleets. There are also small roaming gangs. There are also solo roamers. There are also black ops gank squads.
The whole "back in my day" thing is cute though. You should definitely keep going with that argument.
I'm sorry, but are you living in a hole or are you just delusional?
PS: I'm as much of a carebear as I am a pvper, if not more so. But you keep on making assumptions, it seems to be working really well for you. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:As can be expected from TEST. There was a time when blobbing and kb humping wasn't all there is in Eve. Back then, there were many more pvpers in proportion to carebears as well. Then the pvpers left, carebears continue to join then leave after average of 6 month due to lack of mission content, and we're left with... people like you.  Awww thats adorable. You connect my personal opinions to an alliance I've been in for <30 days. Aren't you just to die for. But really, its been like this for years. Are there blobs? Yes. They're called fleets. There are also small roaming gangs. There are also solo roamers. There are also black ops gank squads. The whole "back in my day" thing is cute though. You should definitely keep going with that argument. I'm sorry, but are you living in a hole or are you just delusional? PS: I'm as much of a carebear as I am a pvper, if not more so. But you keep on making assumptions, it seems to be working really well for you.
So many words just to say nothing.
Yeah, Eve changed because worthwhile people left - the trend to mmo's lifespan... |

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
43
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:29:00 -
[65] - Quote
A "blob" is self defined.
If you bring 6 to kill 4, because one of those 4 is a Falcon, are you blobbing?
Common sense will tell you that the fight is near enough even - yet if the smaller side loses, they will "LOL U NEED TO BLOB TROLOLOL"
If you're engaging larger forces deliberately, or not engaging on your terms, then you have already failed and the number of people on your lossmail means ****-all. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.09.21 16:21:00 -
[66] - Quote
Goose99 wrote:So many words just to say nothing.  Yeah, Eve changed because worthwhile people left - the trend to mmo's lifespan...
Posting just to post at this point eh? |

malfoy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:So many words just to say nothing.  Yeah, Eve changed because worthwhile people left - the trend to mmo's lifespan... Posting just to post at this point eh?
dunkofs.
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malfoy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
new back but i'm probably repeating what others suggested but shouldnt that main screen in my quarters be streaming live footage? news is good but live would be better
wow eve has come on in a long way from the days i used to group warp to mining ops. and it;s got a long way to go yet. |

Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
Try solo PvP. It's a challenge, but it is do-able & very rewarding once you get hang of it. You will still lose ships but when you do, it would have been a more exciting experience than losing your ship because you were primaried in a blob warfare. You will think about how you might have piloted differently to win the engagement or save your ship at least, and over the months and years it all adds up. Gate camps are avoidable too once you get hang of it, especially in low-sec you would have to be unlucky/run against a very good camp to lose your ship at gate. This sounds unrealistic when you hear it now, but trust me you will get there. Also, once you start to PvP suddenly every single ship in EvE starts to look interesting. PvE setups are all about efficiency but PvP setups tend to be situational and you can get a lot more creative with your choice of modules and piloting tactics = more solo fun for you.
I enjoy solo-play very much, both PvE and PvP. Don't bracket a half of the solo-gaming content as offlimits. There is absolutely no reason why it should be that way.
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Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Goose99 wrote:mxzf wrote: And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.
The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill. 
I disagree. There's a lot of nano-canes, nano-drakes, AFs and faction frigs/cruisers flyiing about. The popularity of nano-ships and setups like nano-cane & nano drake, dual/tripple rep myrmidons and solo-roaming cynabals is a testament to the fact that there are still lots of people who fly solo. |

Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:07:00 -
[71] - Quote
To get back to the OP. If all you want to do is run missions, there are other games more suited to that. Please go play them |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
75
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Posted - 2011.09.21 22:20:00 -
[72] - Quote
Exploration is the only PvE I can bear to do. I did it solo and made a lot of friends along the way.
If you don't want to do that, Incursions might be for you. Learn to fit properly for them and just go the Incursion and find a fleet.
edit: Some of the recon ships make for GREAT solo PVP.
Aside from all that, I keep odd hours and have been able to find plenty of groups that I can work with. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
75
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Posted - 2011.09.21 22:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
Orlacc wrote:To get back to the OP. If all you want to do is run missions, there are other games more suited to that. Please go play them No. If he's willing to pay $15 a month to run missions in Eve, by all means he should stick around. Mostly because he likes it and there's nothing wrong with that, but also because it helps support Eve and gives people like me the opportunity for profit. I like missionbears, they're good for my wallet. |

Spineker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[74] - Quote
Emperor Salazar wrote:Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.
The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.
As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.
one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.
Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done? Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game. Do you need further explanation?
That is always such a lame thing to say. Just because there are MASSIVE amounts of people nothing in that states you must group up with them or play with them from the time you log on till you log off. It is ignorant to even make the statement that MMO means grouping with other people. It means simply many people playing the same game in the same world at the same time. There is no GROUP CORP ALLIANCE GUILD in MMO.
Interaction doesn't mean you have to be in a group or guild or corp or anything else. MMO doesn't mean playing Solo is wrong. Pure ignorance. |

Spineker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:08:00 -
[75] - Quote
Also considering the horrible player corps in this game which 95%+ fall under only way I would play this game is solo. I have done all the 0.0 stutter death pod wake up in the station warfare also and it is boring waste of time.
There are more than missions though to do solo. Trade, exploration, PVP, cosmos et al. |

Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
19
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:26:00 -
[76] - Quote
Vanguarder wrote:Yes, I have a narrow focus in EVE and I have finished all I can do, so I'm done i guess.
[ ] Solo PvP [ ] Solo Industry [ ] Solo L5 missions [ ] Solo WH PvE (possible up to c4 afaik) [ ] Solo exploration
(solo = 1 window)
If you stopped at l4s - what you're doing here is actually complaining about lack of the skill. |

Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 11:32:00 -
[77] - Quote
Hi OP ^^
I had the same reaction as you to the game, although a lot of the 6 years I played was on and off, so no,I havent grinded thousands of missions, but you don't need to to feel burned out
What I did was trying my hand at solo exploration in low and null sec and I did so in a Tengu,,,and yes, this was a totally new challenge to me: evading hostile, scanning, learning and documenting the sites you did and eventually running into something you're shocked by, like a 10/10 complex (Serp Provincial HQ, Final Escalation with Privateer Admiral Heysus....I eventually got him down, hardest thing I did in EVE :\ ) and being on the brink of dieing every second you're not careful enough ^^
I also try solo PvP, with limited succes, and yes, even carebears like you and me can do it with some will and research. I died a lot , made a few kills and lost tons of ISK already in a month ( A Legion with a confused fit...oh dear, oh dear, baddie detected )
I'm no longer bored by the game now, I actually feel I have to walk on my toes each time I do one of these things and I am happy to learn something new even if the shame of my last ship loss or a bad engagement is almost unbearable 
Hope you'll find some new inspiration.....and if everything just fails, watch the flowers and the bees outside, calm little distraction :)
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Barakkus
732
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
Cambarus wrote:Have you considered soloing vanguard sites? It's quite a bit more challenging than running level 4s :D
This ^^
It requires about a 5 bil setup, but totally do-able if you know what you're doing. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.09.27 03:40:00 -
[79] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Cambarus wrote:Have you considered soloing vanguard sites? It's quite a bit more challenging than running level 4s :D This ^^ It requires about a 5 bil setup, but totally do-able if you know what you're doing.
At max skills, implants and boosters, it's possible to do with t2 fit loki. Sig tank. Don't expect to get paid solo though, lol. |

Shadow Mancer
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 05:32:00 -
[80] - Quote
Lady Go Diveher wrote:Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.
They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.
Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes.
I think you might be mistaken here, null sec life has turned very bad these days. By the majority living in null sec, you mean null = Moscow, because major alliance players are Russians these days, dun believe me, try installing a POS and Sov Claim unit somewhere in 0,0 Russians will come destroy it.
When we had ASCN, BOB, FIX, Nothern Coallitions, ect. there was ballance. Right now we have Goons, RA, More RA, RA's pets (Legion of Death), DFR with like over 100 titans and more supercaps. Essentially I think null sec is near impossible for new players to enjoy.
As for the OP complaining, i'm amazed that there are people who join eve for solo, it's MMMMMMMMMORPG for a reason. You can do missions, incursions, wormhole, explorations, chatting, nothing or trading. |
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