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Vladmir Krslovitch
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:38:00 -
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I never see raptors discussed on this board. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or, maybe, just tell me about how you setup a raptor (or why you don't fly one.)
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Vladmir Krslovitch
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:38:00 -
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I never see raptors discussed on this board. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or, maybe, just tell me about how you setup a raptor (or why you don't fly one.)
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JD's
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:56:00 -
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simple, raptors suck.. 
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JD's
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:56:00 -
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simple, raptors suck..
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:06:00 -
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When reprocessing gives back tech II components as well as just minerals, then raptors may have a use 
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:06:00 -
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When reprocessing gives back tech II components as well as just minerals, then raptors may have a use
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Vladmir Krslovitch
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:26:00 -
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So... the only thing raptors may someday be good for is reprocessing? Why? "it sucks" doesn't help me out much. What sucks about it? Is there any use for one at all?
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Vladmir Krslovitch
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:26:00 -
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So... the only thing raptors may someday be good for is reprocessing? Why? "it sucks" doesn't help me out much. What sucks about it? Is there any use for one at all?
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Vladmir Krslovitch
So... the only thing raptors may someday be good for is reprocessing? Why? "it sucks" doesn't help me out much. What sucks about it? Is there any use for one at all?
Damage output is pretty gimpy compared to the Crow, plus its a bit slower.
Raptors only real use is for intercepting larger ships and holding them. Don't expect to go up against most of the other Interceptors (or even some frigs I guess).
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vladmir Krslovitch
So... the only thing raptors may someday be good for is reprocessing? Why? "it sucks" doesn't help me out much. What sucks about it? Is there any use for one at all?
Damage output is pretty gimpy compared to the Crow, plus its a bit slower.
Raptors only real use is for intercepting larger ships and holding them. Don't expect to go up against most of the other Interceptors (or even some frigs I guess).
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:41:00 -
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raptor = poor mans crow. Save up a bit more and buy a crow, its much much better
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:41:00 -
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raptor = poor mans crow. Save up a bit more and buy a crow, its much much better
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JD's
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: JD's on 05/11/2004 13:45:20
Originally by: mahhy
Raptors only real use is for intercepting larger ships and holding them. Don't expect to go up against most of the other Interceptors (or even some frigs I guess).
i wouldnt say it intercepts BS'es too well either, ok your not going to care so much when it gets ganked.. the stilleto is more suited to this task as it has 4 midslots, perfect for damping Bs'es, i guess the real reason it "sucks" is because it has nothing good about it, i dont see a raptor and go 'my, im scared' a crow on the other hand can stay out of range and spam lights or go for a close range rocket setup.
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JD's
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: JD's on 05/11/2004 13:45:20
Originally by: mahhy
Raptors only real use is for intercepting larger ships and holding them. Don't expect to go up against most of the other Interceptors (or even some frigs I guess).
i wouldnt say it intercepts BS'es too well either, ok your not going to care so much when it gets ganked.. the stilleto is more suited to this task as it has 4 midslots, perfect for damping Bs'es, i guess the real reason it "sucks" is because it has nothing good about it, i dont see a raptor and go 'my, im scared' a crow on the other hand can stay out of range and spam lights or go for a close range rocket setup.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:48:00 -
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The simple fact is, for all the other races there are differences between the two inties that mean even the 'worse' ones can do something better than their big brother (i.e. malediction is better for ew than the crusader). There is nothing a raptor can do significantly better than the crow.
The raptor isn't bad as such, it's just there is no reason to choose it over the crow.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:48:00 -
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The simple fact is, for all the other races there are differences between the two inties that mean even the 'worse' ones can do something better than their big brother (i.e. malediction is better for ew than the crusader). There is nothing a raptor can do significantly better than the crow.
The raptor isn't bad as such, it's just there is no reason to choose it over the crow.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.11.06 17:19:00 -
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I've encountered a few Raptors in PvP, every one fitted as a long-range gunship. They would all web you as you come into web range and then move away from you, hitting with railguns. Against a close-range setup, this ends up being pretty effective. Even considering the slow speed of a Raptor. The trick (for the Raptor pilot) is to make sure that a close range ship doesn't get near enough to bring it's guns to bear. Against a long range frigate, a Raptor would probably have a harder time, though it has a really nice range bonus that might keep even another long range ship from damaging it much.
In my personal experience, Raptors have done much better than Crows. This might just reflect on the skill of the few Raptor pilots I've fought (compared to the run-of-the-mill Crow pilots you see all over the place), but then again, if the pilots are skilled you have to consider that they're flying what they feel is a superior ship...
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.11.06 17:19:00 -
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I've encountered a few Raptors in PvP, every one fitted as a long-range gunship. They would all web you as you come into web range and then move away from you, hitting with railguns. Against a close-range setup, this ends up being pretty effective. Even considering the slow speed of a Raptor. The trick (for the Raptor pilot) is to make sure that a close range ship doesn't get near enough to bring it's guns to bear. Against a long range frigate, a Raptor would probably have a harder time, though it has a really nice range bonus that might keep even another long range ship from damaging it much.
In my personal experience, Raptors have done much better than Crows. This might just reflect on the skill of the few Raptor pilots I've fought (compared to the run-of-the-mill Crow pilots you see all over the place), but then again, if the pilots are skilled you have to consider that they're flying what they feel is a superior ship...
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.11.06 19:24:00 -
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The Raptor has been discussed here in the past, though admittedly it's usually something about it's relationship to the Crow. The reason that the Raptor isn't so widely used is, as others have mentioned, because there's nothing it can do significantly better than it's bigger brother, which can be flown with the same skill lvls.
It does have an extra point in Gravimetric sensor strength (making one racial jammer ineffective against it), and a slight signature radius advantage, meaning it's a touch smaller, and has a slightly higher scan resolution. The building requirements are slightly less than that of a Crow. The thing that's overlooked more often than not, is that the Raptor is still an Interceptor, and with it's stats, still extremely effective vs standard frigates and cruisers.
If you want to search these forums for past posts about the Raptor, click here.
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.11.06 19:24:00 -
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The Raptor has been discussed here in the past, though admittedly it's usually something about it's relationship to the Crow. The reason that the Raptor isn't so widely used is, as others have mentioned, because there's nothing it can do significantly better than it's bigger brother, which can be flown with the same skill lvls.
It does have an extra point in Gravimetric sensor strength (making one racial jammer ineffective against it), and a slight signature radius advantage, meaning it's a touch smaller, and has a slightly higher scan resolution. The building requirements are slightly less than that of a Crow. The thing that's overlooked more often than not, is that the Raptor is still an Interceptor, and with it's stats, still extremely effective vs standard frigates and cruisers.
If you want to search these forums for past posts about the Raptor, click here.
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Silver83
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Posted - 2004.11.06 20:02:00 -
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if you fly a raptor for long enough you will realise they are very hard to kill if you fly them right, you'll be thankful for that range boost, with an optimal range with 125's of either 25km or 15 km they make brilliant long range scramblers and with some good mods on they are brill. Fantastic support ship whereas the crow is more of a very close range fighter because you have to web something for it's msl's to hit.
you'll lose crows more often but get more kills with them
you'll last longer in a raptor but you won't get a high death count, but you'll still screw someone's day up
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Silver83
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Posted - 2004.11.06 20:02:00 -
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if you fly a raptor for long enough you will realise they are very hard to kill if you fly them right, you'll be thankful for that range boost, with an optimal range with 125's of either 25km or 15 km they make brilliant long range scramblers and with some good mods on they are brill. Fantastic support ship whereas the crow is more of a very close range fighter because you have to web something for it's msl's to hit.
you'll lose crows more often but get more kills with them
you'll last longer in a raptor but you won't get a high death count, but you'll still screw someone's day up
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2004.11.06 21:19:00 -
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like the aresn and the heron
don't buy it
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2004.11.06 21:19:00 -
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like the aresn and the heron
don't buy it
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2004.11.06 21:57:00 -
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Raptors are crap. Thats why no one uses them.
Only thing they are good for is warp scrambling battleships, since they are cheaper than crows you wont be as ****ed when they die.
However, why use a raptor when you can use a vigil.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2004.11.06 21:57:00 -
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Raptors are crap. Thats why no one uses them.
Only thing they are good for is warp scrambling battleships, since they are cheaper than crows you wont be as ****ed when they die.
However, why use a raptor when you can use a vigil.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.11.07 04:29:00 -
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The raptor is a precision ship, you need to have an exact purpose when you fit it and it will accomplish the mission. The crow is a multi-purpose tool that suits most tasks but you really won't surprise anyone with your tactics.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.11.07 04:29:00 -
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The raptor is a precision ship, you need to have an exact purpose when you fit it and it will accomplish the mission. The crow is a multi-purpose tool that suits most tasks but you really won't surprise anyone with your tactics.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.11.07 10:01:00 -
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Raptors suck, they just dont have a specific role.
You can fit it as a blasterboat... taranis own it
You can fit it as a long range railboat... Crusaders own it
You can fit it as a missile boat... Crows own it
IMO Raptors need a 3rd turret slot and somemore grid, after that they'll be ok. Maybe a 4th high aswell.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.11.07 10:01:00 -
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Raptors suck, they just dont have a specific role.
You can fit it as a blasterboat... taranis own it
You can fit it as a long range railboat... Crusaders own it
You can fit it as a missile boat... Crows own it
IMO Raptors need a 3rd turret slot and somemore grid, after that they'll be ok. Maybe a 4th high aswell.
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