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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.11.06 01:29:00 -
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We all like a nice Womble stew don't we?
 Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.11.06 01:29:00 -
[122]
We all like a nice Womble stew don't we?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Dezra
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:03:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Lady Fear
I must say Im surprised at how people really pay attention to Celes-killboards, and others boards as well. Basic source-evaluation... Who supplies the information, why is the information displayed? in RL using one sides propaganda as a valid, objective source of information would be laughed at.
Post-bump...
Erm... no that makes no sense. We list all our kill mails, and loss mails in an attempt at objectivity, so if you think they are questionable try contacting the people in them and ask them if they died. Overwise you have no argument, and shouldn't post nonsense about "basic source-evaluation". If you have a problem with our kill board, or indeed anyones kill board please give some reason based in reality.
Hmm I guess you didnt understand the point of what I said in that post at all, did you? I suggest re-read it, then read your own reply and after repeating that a few times I think it will become more clear.
If it doesnt: It doesnt matter what Celes do to try and make their killboard as objective as possible, from a source-evaluation perspective it could just as well be nonsense. This is very much based in reality.
Pretty pointless post on your behalf, you are claiming that kill boards dont play a big part in EVE? Why is that may is ask? Is it because you never pvp? For a pvp corporation it is a must, when ccp didnt provide kill mails it was easy to dispute that the kills never happened. Claiming kill boards are irrelevant is just a poor excuse on your behalf. Being a one man corp as you clearly are, i cant see why you are even replying to this thread. Or maybe your main is in SA?
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Dezra
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:03:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Lady Fear
I must say Im surprised at how people really pay attention to Celes-killboards, and others boards as well. Basic source-evaluation... Who supplies the information, why is the information displayed? in RL using one sides propaganda as a valid, objective source of information would be laughed at.
Post-bump...
Erm... no that makes no sense. We list all our kill mails, and loss mails in an attempt at objectivity, so if you think they are questionable try contacting the people in them and ask them if they died. Overwise you have no argument, and shouldn't post nonsense about "basic source-evaluation". If you have a problem with our kill board, or indeed anyones kill board please give some reason based in reality.
Hmm I guess you didnt understand the point of what I said in that post at all, did you? I suggest re-read it, then read your own reply and after repeating that a few times I think it will become more clear.
If it doesnt: It doesnt matter what Celes do to try and make their killboard as objective as possible, from a source-evaluation perspective it could just as well be nonsense. This is very much based in reality.
Pretty pointless post on your behalf, you are claiming that kill boards dont play a big part in EVE? Why is that may is ask? Is it because you never pvp? For a pvp corporation it is a must, when ccp didnt provide kill mails it was easy to dispute that the kills never happened. Claiming kill boards are irrelevant is just a poor excuse on your behalf. Being a one man corp as you clearly are, i cant see why you are even replying to this thread. Or maybe your main is in SA?
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Malken
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:11:00 -
[125]
^^
dezra making w0mble stew?
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote:
[18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Malken
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:11:00 -
[126]
^^
dezra making w0mble stew?
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote:
[18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:18:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Monty Burns on 06/11/2004 02:25:43
Originally by: Dezra
Pretty pointless post on your behalf, you are claiming that kill boards dont play a big part in EVE? Why is that may is ask?
Maybe its coz they are all at the end of the day fake-"able" ... not saying yours are but, they are as reliable as the tabloids 
Remember the day they found a B52 on the moon? I do ... it was in colour n everfin! Must be true :-)
I am not saying you guys are liars. Please try to remember there are at LEAST 3 sides to every story and two of those can be "massaged".
Have a great one!
PS This is ment as much as a point of view on your kills as it is ours - FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. 
PPS The design of it is excellent though  Functional and to the point.
Darwin 4tw
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:18:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Monty Burns on 06/11/2004 02:25:43
Originally by: Dezra
Pretty pointless post on your behalf, you are claiming that kill boards dont play a big part in EVE? Why is that may is ask?
Maybe its coz they are all at the end of the day fake-"able" ... not saying yours are but, they are as reliable as the tabloids
Remember the day they found a B52 on the moon? I do ... it was in colour n everfin! Must be true :-)
I am not saying you guys are liars. Please try to remember there are at LEAST 3 sides to every story and two of those can be "massaged".
Have a great one!
PS This is ment as much as a point of view on your kills as it is ours - FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
PPS The design of it is excellent though Functional and to the point.
Darwin 4tw
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:36:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 06/11/2004 02:40:22
Originally by: nizzin
Has it really taken this long for people to wake up as to what Celest is? You may get a 1v1 out of them if it is forced. You will not get a 5v5 unless they make a horrible blunder. Completely forget a 20v20 unless you only bring frigs.
5 at a gate means there are 10 on the other side.
1-2 at a gate means there are 10 logged off in system.
20 at a gate not within jumprange is known as a miracle and should be fraps'd in order for people to believe you. Even then, could have been done with mirrors.
Rubbish, I've had 1 on 1 been willing to take the risk and I did get wtfpwnd  So don't talk cr*p, alot of our members have 1 on 1 some won, some lost but in the final reckoning all fun.
And as for fleet you've obviosly spent more time on these boards than in space
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:36:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 06/11/2004 02:40:22
Originally by: nizzin
Has it really taken this long for people to wake up as to what Celest is? You may get a 1v1 out of them if it is forced. You will not get a 5v5 unless they make a horrible blunder. Completely forget a 20v20 unless you only bring frigs.
5 at a gate means there are 10 on the other side.
1-2 at a gate means there are 10 logged off in system.
20 at a gate not within jumprange is known as a miracle and should be fraps'd in order for people to believe you. Even then, could have been done with mirrors.
Rubbish, I've had 1 on 1 been willing to take the risk and I did get wtfpwnd So don't talk cr*p, alot of our members have 1 on 1 some won, some lost but in the final reckoning all fun.
And as for fleet you've obviosly spent more time on these boards than in space
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Lady Fear
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:41:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Dezra
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Lady Fear
I must say Im surprised at how people really pay attention to Celes-killboards, and others boards as well. Basic source-evaluation... Who supplies the information, why is the information displayed? in RL using one sides propaganda as a valid, objective source of information would be laughed at.
Post-bump...
Erm... no that makes no sense. We list all our kill mails, and loss mails in an attempt at objectivity, so if you think they are questionable try contacting the people in them and ask them if they died. Overwise you have no argument, and shouldn't post nonsense about "basic source-evaluation". If you have a problem with our kill board, or indeed anyones kill board please give some reason based in reality.
Hmm I guess you didnt understand the point of what I said in that post at all, did you? I suggest re-read it, then read your own reply and after repeating that a few times I think it will become more clear.
If it doesnt: It doesnt matter what Celes do to try and make their killboard as objective as possible, from a source-evaluation perspective it could just as well be nonsense. This is very much based in reality.
Pretty pointless post on your behalf, you are claiming that kill boards dont play a big part in EVE? Why is that may is ask? Is it because you never pvp? For a pvp corporation it is a must, when ccp didnt provide kill mails it was easy to dispute that the kills never happened. Claiming kill boards are irrelevant is just a poor excuse on your behalf. Being a one man corp as you clearly are, i cant see why you are even replying to this thread. Or maybe your main is in SA?
Im just saying that that information is not worth anything when you evaluate the source. Considering you yourself are the ones presenting and supplying the information it can never be regarded as objective. When one side in a war present information (which is also easily manipulated like kill-mails in Eve) its never very reliable.
Oh and I pvp a lot and still dont see why a killboard is necessary? Maybe if it was done by a neutral part with complete access to the facts, yes.
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Lady Fear
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Posted - 2004.11.06 02:41:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Dezra
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Lady Fear
Originally by: Lady Fear
I must say Im surprised at how people really pay attention to Celes-killboards, and others boards as well. Basic source-evaluation... Who supplies the information, why is the information displayed? in RL using one sides propaganda as a valid, objective source of information would be laughed at.
Post-bump...
Erm... no that makes no sense. We list all our kill mails, and loss mails in an attempt at objectivity, so if you think they are questionable try contacting the people in them and ask them if they died. Overwise you have no argument, and shouldn't post nonsense about "basic source-evaluation". If you have a problem with our kill board, or indeed anyones kill board please give some reason based in reality.
Hmm I guess you didnt understand the point of what I said in that post at all, did you? I suggest re-read it, then read your own reply and after repeating that a few times I think it will become more clear.
If it doesnt: It doesnt matter what Celes do to try and make their killboard as objective as possible, from a source-evaluation perspective it could just as well be nonsense. This is very much based in reality.
Pretty pointless post on your behalf, you are claiming that kill boards dont play a big part in EVE? Why is that may is ask? Is it because you never pvp? For a pvp corporation it is a must, when ccp didnt provide kill mails it was easy to dispute that the kills never happened. Claiming kill boards are irrelevant is just a poor excuse on your behalf. Being a one man corp as you clearly are, i cant see why you are even replying to this thread. Or maybe your main is in SA?
Im just saying that that information is not worth anything when you evaluate the source. Considering you yourself are the ones presenting and supplying the information it can never be regarded as objective. When one side in a war present information (which is also easily manipulated like kill-mails in Eve) its never very reliable.
Oh and I pvp a lot and still dont see why a killboard is necessary? Maybe if it was done by a neutral part with complete access to the facts, yes.
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Malken
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Posted - 2004.11.06 03:04:00 -
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i have no doubt that our killboard is propably the most accurate one by a longshot in all of eve.
why?
because we get ****ed at eachother if the members are to slow in reporting their losses or kills.
as for other peoples killboards i have no idea except for atuks on wich they reported their kills in the fleetbattle we had with them in p3en-e but they didnt post their losses.
ours is by far the most accurate one ive ever seen so far.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote:
[18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Malken
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Posted - 2004.11.06 03:04:00 -
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i have no doubt that our killboard is propably the most accurate one by a longshot in all of eve.
why?
because we get ****ed at eachother if the members are to slow in reporting their losses or kills.
as for other peoples killboards i have no idea except for atuks on wich they reported their kills in the fleetbattle we had with them in p3en-e but they didnt post their losses.
ours is by far the most accurate one ive ever seen so far.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote:
[18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.11.06 04:10:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Razzil
Since the hostilities started, Celes showed, that they are not willing to fight and to die like men and that they don't understand the meaning of the word decency.
SA Fleet Command isn't regarding them as warriors any longer. All Celes members will be classified as terrorists now.
We are asking all Stain pilots to keep radio silence on all Celes related public boards and channels from now on!
signed for Stain Alliance Fleet Command
Razzil
u suck, Go celes !!!!!
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.11.06 04:10:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Razzil
Since the hostilities started, Celes showed, that they are not willing to fight and to die like men and that they don't understand the meaning of the word decency.
SA Fleet Command isn't regarding them as warriors any longer. All Celes members will be classified as terrorists now.
We are asking all Stain pilots to keep radio silence on all Celes related public boards and channels from now on!
signed for Stain Alliance Fleet Command
Razzil
u suck, Go celes !!!!!
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.06 04:23:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Nervar on 06/11/2004 04:38:54
Originally by: Maule
Originally by: geffen
ive been looking at the celest killboard and gone a few pages deep on it.
and sa are on the forums beating their chests saying this and that but all the kills on the killboards tell another story.
to me it looks like a alliance that are incapable of dealing with a single corp and that the alliance just keeps taking losses.
and for the first time in a long time i could head out into catch in a long time to get my npc hunting cans i had out there without getting shot at by either sa or ca.
celests killboard url is http://www.hotweb.dk/celes if you want to add up numbers yourself.
and since i travel alot in the adjacent empire area doing business i see alot of bull**** in local and almost all is from sa members nowadays, it used to be from ca members.
that also makes me draw the conclusion that sa is hurting from celestial apocs attacks and is incapable of doing much about them.
i dont know what sa really hopes to gain by doing inaccurate posts like this .
maybe they just are a vent for their frustration and shortcomings in the game.
if sa members do not want to get killed more then they should say so to their leaders and maybe this pointless war will be over faster then you think.
from what i read in the other thread it really isnt much then some sa leaders pride that are stopping it.
both of you should be fighting ca and not eachother
FYI an attacker (celes in this case, dont say they started the war as I dunno) will allways get more kills than the defender becurse an alliance have alot of members. and there will allways be loners or straglers to be killed.. what matters is the kill vs losses is fleet battles imo. so your point is invalid.
You couldnt bee more wrong matey. Fleet battle means squat, its all about who has the most ships and who has to jump/warp(lagg related) into whom.
Its pretty obvious Celest is there to "destroy" (hard to do but ok) your lil pirate harboring nation(bad man you)
So the amount of isk generated from the ship losses IS the factor to put inn here.
And inn defence of SA, as the mentioned above somewhere the atacker will allways have the tacktical advantage wich leads to more kills
Gorilla tachtics has and will allways bee the most efficent way to kill a group of people with minimal losses. So Celest just let the flames wash of, take a look on your killboard and giggle at them
Thats usally what i do when some alliance calls mee/us cowards, noobs social rejects or whatever they can come up with.
Gogo Celest and may the whining/flamin alliances die
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.06 04:23:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Nervar on 06/11/2004 04:38:54
Originally by: Maule
Originally by: geffen
ive been looking at the celest killboard and gone a few pages deep on it.
and sa are on the forums beating their chests saying this and that but all the kills on the killboards tell another story.
to me it looks like a alliance that are incapable of dealing with a single corp and that the alliance just keeps taking losses.
and for the first time in a long time i could head out into catch in a long time to get my npc hunting cans i had out there without getting shot at by either sa or ca.
celests killboard url is http://www.hotweb.dk/celes if you want to add up numbers yourself.
and since i travel alot in the adjacent empire area doing business i see alot of bull**** in local and almost all is from sa members nowadays, it used to be from ca members.
that also makes me draw the conclusion that sa is hurting from celestial apocs attacks and is incapable of doing much about them.
i dont know what sa really hopes to gain by doing inaccurate posts like this .
maybe they just are a vent for their frustration and shortcomings in the game.
if sa members do not want to get killed more then they should say so to their leaders and maybe this pointless war will be over faster then you think.
from what i read in the other thread it really isnt much then some sa leaders pride that are stopping it.
both of you should be fighting ca and not eachother
FYI an attacker (celes in this case, dont say they started the war as I dunno) will allways get more kills than the defender becurse an alliance have alot of members. and there will allways be loners or straglers to be killed.. what matters is the kill vs losses is fleet battles imo. so your point is invalid.
You couldnt bee more wrong matey. Fleet battle means squat, its all about who has the most ships and who has to jump/warp(lagg related) into whom.
Its pretty obvious Celest is there to "destroy" (hard to do but ok) your lil pirate harboring nation(bad man you)
So the amount of isk generated from the ship losses IS the factor to put inn here.
And inn defence of SA, as the mentioned above somewhere the atacker will allways have the tacktical advantage wich leads to more kills
Gorilla tachtics has and will allways bee the most efficent way to kill a group of people with minimal losses. So Celest just let the flames wash of, take a look on your killboard and giggle at them
Thats usally what i do when some alliance calls mee/us cowards, noobs social rejects or whatever they can come up with.
Gogo Celest and may the whining/flamin alliances die
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.11.06 10:08:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Nervar
Gorilla tachtics
If you're wondering what that's all about, it's quite like "guerrilla tactics", except with Gorillas armed with Tachyons.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.11.06 10:08:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Nervar
Gorilla tachtics
If you're wondering what that's all about, it's quite like "guerrilla tactics", except with Gorillas armed with Tachyons.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:37:00 -
[141]
More like bears with megapulses
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:37:00 -
[142]
More like bears with megapulses
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Lefevre
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:53:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Nervar
More like bears with megapulses
Shh Nervar don't tell them about our secret weapons or we put you back into your cage! 
Teddybears |
Lefevre
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:53:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Nervar
More like bears with megapulses
Shh Nervar don't tell them about our secret weapons or we put you back into your cage!
Teddybears |
Clintus McGintus
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Posted - 2004.11.06 17:19:00 -
[145]
Can you feel the love? I feel it. I mean so many threads based on us. They like us, they really like us. We must be doing something right.
I'm not here to bad mouth anyone. All I have to say is I have seen it all. We have ganked, we have been ganked, 1v1, 5v5, 10v10. All in all, if we think we have a chance we will fight you. My last lost, (which is on the kill board next to Fed's) we were out numbered, but we thought if we came swifty we could take them out, we were wrong. We are one corp fighting against many corps. At any given time there could be a 2to1 ratio of enemies to us. We do what every other corp in our position would do. If there is a kill to make, make it.
I am proud to be a member of Celes and I stand behind the corp 100%.
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Clintus McGintus
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Posted - 2004.11.06 17:19:00 -
[146]
Can you feel the love? I feel it. I mean so many threads based on us. They like us, they really like us. We must be doing something right.
I'm not here to bad mouth anyone. All I have to say is I have seen it all. We have ganked, we have been ganked, 1v1, 5v5, 10v10. All in all, if we think we have a chance we will fight you. My last lost, (which is on the kill board next to Fed's) we were out numbered, but we thought if we came swifty we could take them out, we were wrong. We are one corp fighting against many corps. At any given time there could be a 2to1 ratio of enemies to us. We do what every other corp in our position would do. If there is a kill to make, make it.
I am proud to be a member of Celes and I stand behind the corp 100%.
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May the Force be with you. |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.06 17:25:00 -
[147]
Originally by: nizzin
Has it really taken this long for people to wake up as to what Celest is? You may get a 1v1 out of them if it is forced. You will not get a 5v5 unless they make a horrible blunder. Completely forget a 20v20 unless you only bring frigs.
5 at a gate means there are 10 on the other side.
1-2 at a gate means there are 10 logged off in system.
20 at a gate not within jumprange is known as a miracle and should be fraps'd in order for people to believe you. Even then, could have been done with mirrors.
I dunno why not though, its what they keep sayin to everyone...
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.06 17:25:00 -
[148]
Originally by: nizzin
Has it really taken this long for people to wake up as to what Celest is? You may get a 1v1 out of them if it is forced. You will not get a 5v5 unless they make a horrible blunder. Completely forget a 20v20 unless you only bring frigs.
5 at a gate means there are 10 on the other side.
1-2 at a gate means there are 10 logged off in system.
20 at a gate not within jumprange is known as a miracle and should be fraps'd in order for people to believe you. Even then, could have been done with mirrors.
I dunno why not though, its what they keep sayin to everyone...
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.11.06 19:07:00 -
[149]
Whoever said the Celes kill list was the most accurate, the m0o kill list was the most accurate.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.11.06 19:07:00 -
[150]
Whoever said the Celes kill list was the most accurate, the m0o kill list was the most accurate.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
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