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Metal McCall
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:49:00 -
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OK. I've been checking into various tanking techniques, and I'm a little confused about some of the terminology.
Active Tank: no problem, using capacitor based repair to fix the tank.
Where I get confused is the difference (if any) between passive tank and buffer tank, which at first I assumed were synonymous, but now I'm not so sure.
And what is "honor tanking"?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Metal McCall
OK. I've been checking into various tanking techniques, and I'm a little confused about some of the terminology.
Active Tank: no problem, using capacitor based repair to fix the tank.
Where I get confused is the difference (if any) between passive tank and buffer tank, which at first I assumed were synonymous, but now I'm not so sure.
And what is "honor tanking"?
Thanks in advance.
I will take a shot.
Buffer tank is just a little extra to get you by. Say like a Damage Control II on a frigate that you do not need/can't fit a proper tank.
Passive tank is when you fit a full tank with no active modules to make sure you are cap stable.
Honor tank is either no tank at all or hull tanking, I believe.
Disclaimer:
I am not wholey sure of the accuracy of the above answers, so keep checking in to see if I get flamed for answering something I do not know the answer to 
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Dreadchain
Gallente
Blackwater USA Inc.
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:20:00 -
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Passive tanking often refers to passive shield tanking, which can reach quite surprising amounts of DPS (damage per second) tanked through massive shield regeneration. This is accomplished through shield extenders, various hardeners, shield power relays, power diagnostic systems and shield purger/extender rigs. However, this word is sometimes also used as a synonyme for buffer tanking, but IMO should not be used in such a way to avoid confusion.
Buffer tank always refers to either shield or armor tank which is not designed to tank DPS but rather a bulk amount of damage. This is generally used in large fleet battles where such a tank results in higher amount of damage taken before exploding.
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Boppi
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:01:00 -
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Passive: Passive Hardeners that don't use up Cap.
Active: Active Hardeners that you need to activate, use up cap but are also more effective.
Buffer: Armor-Plates/Shield extenders, giving the ship the ability to simply sponge more Damage.
Honor: Hull-Tanking
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:43:00 -
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I think the idea behind buffer tanking is that it is for PvP where you are going to be facing one to five opponents in which you want to last long enough to not be insta popped if you are focus fired.
Even though a passive or active tank may in theory be able to last longer, you often do not have the convenience of having the other players take turns shooting you like the NPCs do.
And even on 1 on 1 fights... Player will pump up their DPS output so that even if you had an uber regen rate, that you'll melt shortly because it can't keep and not have any DPS to throw back.
Take the Gank Baddon fit for example. Its sole purpose is to kill you as quickly as possible and have enough buffer to survive anything you throw at it while it melts you.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:45:00 -
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Armor tank = armor reppers
Shield tank = Shield boosters
Honor tank = cargo expanders.
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Harkwyth Mist
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.13 01:48:00 -
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Tanking 101 Enjoy.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.13 05:04:00 -
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Hull tanking is different to honor tanking
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.13 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber
Hull tanking is different to honor tanking
This^^
Honor Tanking is a term for a Dreadnaught which is 'tanked' using cargo expanders, or other equally ridiculous fits.
Hull tanking is a legitimate strategy - Orcas are naturally good structure tankers for instance. Taranis can also do a reasonable structure tank. It can confuse the hell out of the enemy.
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Metal McCall
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Posted - 2009.11.13 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Metal McCall on 13/11/2009 14:36:51
Originally by: Harkwyth Mist
Tanking 101 Enjoy.
Thanks. That guide is actually where I started, but while the article discussed all the tanking methods, it didn't differentiate between the terms buffer tank and passive tank, and in fact didn't even mention the term buffer tank. And it certainly didn't define honor tanking! 
Thanks for all the answers, people, I appreciate it!
Edit: And special thanks to Slade for including that eve-search link. It certainly is a lot easier to find forum posts using that instead of the search here on the EVE site. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.13 16:43:00 -
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passive tank implies using shield power relays with shield extenders to get a high shield recharge per second. purists will argue that a passive tank is only fit with passive hardeners, yet almost everyone fits their passive tank with active hardeners as active hardeners give bigger a bigger resist bonus than passive hardeners. also the cap use is mostly insignificant. only time to ever use a fully passive tank (aka passive hardeners) is running level 5 missions where there are lots of neut towers. the rig of choice for a passive tank: core defense shield purger
buffer is using hp increasing mods such as armor plates or shield extenders, with resist mods, usually invulnerability fields, and energized adaptive nano membranes, and a damage control. along with trimark armor pumps (on an armor tank) or core defense shield extenders on a shield tank.
honor tanking is fitting cargo expanders, on a combat ship, so you can hold all of your honor in your ship.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:50:00 -
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I've always used buffer as a way to get through an Alpha strike until the reppers can do their job.
EG: You can stick a huge amount of HP in a shield buffer tank on a Myrm with all the mids it has. This will keep you in one piece when you get called primary. After the initial strike the ships shooting you will have staggered firing rates and your repper can keep up with the damage being dealt (hopefully).
Or if you are in an indy in one of the many gank pipes in high sec, you won't even get a cycle out of an active tank before you are a little yellow triangle. You need to buff up to last the 20 seconds it takes Concord to show up and deal with the criminals.
Every ship is different in what you can do with it so have a close look before you attempt to come up with a defense solution. Some will be fine with only active, some need a combo of active/passive, some are gold with simply having a ton of HP to eat through before going pop.
Mr Epeen 
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Mandos2k
Gallente
Divinity Within
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Posted - 2009.11.14 22:44:00 -
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I will break it down a bit more clearly:
Armor Tanking: Your armor is your primary intended meaning of withstanding damage.
Shield Tanking: Your shield is your primary intended meaning of withstanding damage.
Hull Tanking: Your hull is your primary intended meaning of withstanding damage.
Active Tank: You withstand damage buy using modules that require to be activated and consume cap to actively rebuild your HPs (e.g. Shield Boosters and Armor Repairers).
Passive Tank: Passive tanking takes advantage of your shield recharge to rebuild your shield HPs. Passive tanking is only possible with shields as only these recharge over time which your armor does not. Boosting the HP regained over time can be achieved by either lowering your time it takes to recharge your shields or by increasing your total shield HP which leads to more gained HPs/sec by having the same recharge time. Both can obviously be combined for better passive tanking results.
Buffer Tank: Buffer tanking means you neither have an active tank nor a passive tank. You solely rely on your current HPs to be as high as possible so you can withstand a lot of damage before you explode. Buffer tanking is possible with armor and shields. Shield buffer tanks tend to be very good passive tanks and vice versa as well though as a high shield HP amount also means a more efficient shield recharge rate.
Honor Tank: An "honor tank" is not really a tank. An "honor tank" is an armor tank with only cargohold expanders fitted into your low slots. It goes back to the story Dacryphile linked in post 6.
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