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jovoloro	Posted - 2009.11.12 18:35:00 - [1] If you consider both with active armor tanks... which would win most of the time? I`m thinking the Myrm, but I can`t find anyone that would know. Whats your opinion? You could even comment on the other possible fit that would allow the other to win instead of lose. plz let me know what you think or you know from experience. jovo.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.11.12 18:39:00 - [2] Whichever one is best flown. The myrmid is much easier to fly well. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 723664
ropnes	Posted - 2009.11.12 18:50:00 - [3] It's a pointless question It depends entirely on the fit. One fit can counter a different fit more than a ship can counter a different ship
jovoloro	Posted - 2009.11.12 19:10:00 - [4] Originally by: ropnes It's a pointless question It depends entirely on the fit. One fit can counter a different fit more than a ship can counter a different ship Thats why I said both with active armor tanks. That seems to be the most common in low-sec. I`m at work, so I can`t post specific fits. Lets say for argument sake that the myrm has. HIGHS 6xmedium electron IIs. MEDIUM 1x10MN MICROWARP, 2xMED.BOOSTER II, POINT AND WEB. LOWS 2xMAR II, 2xEANM II, 1xDCII, 1xMAGSTAB II. and the brutix has HIGHS 7xMEDIUM ELECT. IIs. MEDIUMS 1x10MN MICRO WARP, 1xMED BOOSTER, point and web. LOWS 2xMAR II, 1xEANM II, 1xDC II, 1xMAGSTAB. Now that you know the builds, although this is all from memory. Which would win?
Thargorr Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.12 19:25:00 - [5] Edited by: Thargorr on 12/11/2009 19:25:37 Triple rep is the only way to fly a Myrm... If you ever wanna have even a change at beating another Tier2 BC.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 02:17:00 - [6] The Myrm is more versatile - and it actually makes sense to use ACs or other turrets with more range on it - that way you can scram/web and range-tank a blaster-brutix. You are also more versatile against other stuff, and in some times it's even possible to fit it for kiting / range tanking using a TD and a disruptor. Actually vs. the Brutix, a scram/web/TD+range script + keep at 8km approach would probably buy you a kill pretty easily. He will last a bit if dual repped, but that's where ACs would out-range blasters and add some dmg to your drones, while helping you to maintain cap stability with just one cap booster. 2x boosters with 2x MAR is not that much...I would try sticking in a Neut if I had 2x boosters - it will see more action than those electrons... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Cavazos Caldari BlackWater Mercenary's	Posted - 2009.11.13 05:05:00 - [7] if u reallt triple rep a myrmidon ur just stupid. triple repping any ship is stupid most all BS's are best flown buffered armor wise. id u tank them u DUAL not triple nd the exact same applies for BC's if u triple rep a BC ur just stupid nd think u can tank but 1 medium neut on u nd youll die quicker then u can think against another tier 2 BC evn against a tier 1
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.11.13 06:10:00 - [8] Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 13/11/2009 06:10:23 Originally by: Cavazos if u reallt triple rep a myrmidon ur just stupid. triple repping any ship is stupid most all BS's are best flown buffered armor wise. id u tank them u DUAL not triple nd the exact same applies for BC's if u triple rep a BC ur just stupid nd think u can tank but 1 medium neut on u nd youll die quicker then u can think against another tier 2 BC evn against a tier 1 Why is triple reps a bad idea ? I mean, you have a big rep bonus, and you can amply run 3 reps from 2 cap boosters... So why not ? You can fit 3 reps, 2 cap boosters and a rack of medium 180mm ACs with no fitting mod.... The idea is not that you run all of them forever, the idea is to pulse them as you need the. You aren't too vulnerable to neuts, becuase youre never more than a few seconds away from firing a cap booster. So yeah. STFU.
Bud Johnson Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.11.13 06:29:00 - [9] Skills being equal 1 on 1 and ships both being well fit/flown..... myrm beats brutix hands down. Originally by: Cavazos How dood i play gaem!?!!???! I prefer buffer myself but triple rep myrm is def a legit fit.
Shazard Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.11.13 08:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Shazard on 13/11/2009 08:48:54 Originally by: jovoloro If you consider both with active armor tanks... which would win most of the time? I`m thinking the Myrm, but I can`t find anyone that would know. Whats your opinion? You could even comment on the other possible fit that would allow the other to win instead of lose. plz let me know what you think or you know from experience. jovo. Well double reppped Myrm will put out about 400-500DPS while Brutix can put out about 600-700DPS with doublerep. Now.. distance... Myrmidon can afford kitte Brutix at point distance and use only drones while Brutix run out of cap, blaster brutix won't be able even to hit such Myrmidon. BUT clever Burtix pilot can have 2 flights of lights or one flight of mediums, in first case he can waste Myrmidons drones and then Myrmidon is left wih no damage to do, while Brutix can atleast use his drones. In point blank range I will put my cards on Brutix. BUT... clever Myrmidon player with Autocannons can outrange and outdamage Brutix while keeping his drones alive, because at first there will be drone fights, and Myrmidon being drone boat should be able to kill off Burtix drones too... Actually this would be very interesting fight mostly mind fight, coz drones are involved! There are brave ones. And then there are those whom the brave ones will follow.

Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.13 09:28:00 - [11] Show me a double rep brutix doing 700 dps that isn't silly. ----------- ADM-I
Izo Alabaster Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company	Posted - 2009.11.13 09:35:00 - [12] Originally by: jovoloro If you consider both with active armor tanks... which would win most of the time? jovo. Myrm.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2009.11.13 10:59:00 - [13] Given equal pilots, the Myrm has the advantage. An active Brutix can't tank the Myrm or break its tank soon enough, and a gank Brutix would need some lucky Vespa jams to edge out over the Myrm. Originally by: Thargorr Edited by: Thargorr on 12/11/2009 19:25:37 Triple rep is the only way to fly a Myrm... If you ever wanna have even a change at beating another Tier2 BC. I've killed multiple of all Tier 2 BC with a 2 Rep Myrm, even slaved Harbs/Canes. Its harder with just 2 reps, but its certainly doable. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.11.13 12:01:00 - [14] I use a dual-rep injected myrm with a rapid repair link, aux nano pump, dual nanite accellerators (with booster and link this gives more tank than 2x aux) and armored warfare mindlink on my alt. Throw in a nice exile booster and you're good to go :)
Shazard Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.11.13 12:12:00 - [15] Edited by: Shazard on 13/11/2009 12:12:35 Originally by: Marko Riva Show me a double rep brutix doing 700 dps that isn't silly. I sayed 600-700 [Brutix, Hammer] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 657 with my skills 743 with All V - no heat There are brave ones. And then there are those whom the brave ones will follow.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.11.13 12:15:00 - [16] Edited by: Psiri on 13/11/2009 12:16:09 Myrm is pretty much a Brutix that doesn't have to put up with the glaring downsides of being a blastership. For one you don't actually have to fit blasters. Both AC's and lasers are perfectly viable and IMO should be used if possible. Even if you decide to go with blasters however you can still work around the problems that the Brutix have due to your ample supply of midslots. Two ways of doing this is fitting a tracking disruptor, or alternatively a shield buffer to give it the extra mobility a blastership so direly needs. Due to the bonused drones the Myrmidon pilot doesn't have to worry as much about frigates getting under his guns either. The only advantages I see with the Brutix is the fact that it can opt to use ECM-drones without gimping its damage output, its slightly smaller pricetag and high DPS (the quicker you kill the less likely it is for enemy support to arrive).
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.11.13 12:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Psiri Due to the bonused drones the Myrmidon pilot doesn't have to worry as much about frigates getting under his guns either. The only advantages I see with the Brutix is the fact that it can opt to use ECM-drones without gimping its damage output, its slightly smaller pricetag and high DPS (the quicker you kill the less likely it is for enemy support to arrive). I'm pretty convinced that the shieldgank brutix is probably superior to the armor brutix in most cases.
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.11.13 13:45:00 - [18] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 13/11/2009 13:47:16 Originally by: Shazard Originally by: Marko Riva Show me a double rep brutix doing 700 dps that isn't silly. I sayed 600-700 [Brutix, Hammer] 10MN Digital Booster Rockets 657 with my skills 743 with All V - no heat That's silly right there. Originally by: Helicity Boson I'm pretty convinced that the shieldgank brutix is probably superior to the armor brutix in most cases. Definitely not solo, you don't have a cap booster so are very vulnerable to cap warfare and more often than not no web so very vulnerable to being kited. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.13 13:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Shazard Edited by: Shazard on 13/11/2009 12:12:35 Originally by: Marko Riva Show me a double rep brutix doing 700 dps that isn't silly. I sayed 600-700 [Brutix, Hammer] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 657 with my skills 743 with All V - no heat Going to forgive you the odd MWD as it's not needed fitting wise (prolly a little messup), NOT going to forgive a 170 dps tank with 33k EHP while using a trimark with 2 ACR's because that's just downright silly/useless. ----------- ADM-I
venus divine	Posted - 2009.11.13 13:55:00 - [20] well, myrm wins.. why? because it has drones and longer range on AC guns..Drones will hit 100% of time (unless if shot at, but then brutix looses valuable time in fight) and AC can start hurting faster then blasters.. Also, ACs dont use cap, so in case both cap out, myrm is still doing full damage, while brutix is limited to drones only and tank, or dmg only and no tank.. that extra mid fitted with TD is awesome, even less range for brutix to hit anything..

Shazard Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Marko Riva Going to forgive you the odd MWD as it's not needed fitting wise (prolly a little messup), NOT going to forgive a 170 dps tank with 33k EHP while using a trimark with 2 ACR's because that's just downright silly/useless. Oookey you win, actally DoubleRepiing Brutix is a bit strange setup, when you can have normal buffer and then get those 700DPS out of your ass... DoubleRepping Brutix will be at 600DPS margin with no silly rigs. There are brave ones. And then there are those whom the brave ones will follow.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Shazard Edited by: Shazard on 13/11/2009 12:12:35 Originally by: Marko Riva Show me a double rep brutix doing 700 dps that isn't silly. I sayed 600-700 [Brutix, Hammer] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 657 with my skills 743 with All V - no heat Eh I say you still lose because using two reps on a ship without any armor resist mods or rigs is just silly. A non-silly fit would dedicate a majority of the lows to gank or a majority of the lows to tank, not both. -----
Cavazos Caldari BlackWater Mercenary's	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Katarlia Simov Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 13/11/2009 06:10:23 Originally by: Cavazos if u reallt triple rep a myrmidon ur just stupid. triple repping any ship is stupid most all BS's are best flown buffered armor wise. id u tank them u DUAL not triple nd the exact same applies for BC's if u triple rep a BC ur just stupid nd think u can tank but 1 medium neut on u nd youll die quicker then u can think against another tier 2 BC evn against a tier 1 Why is triple reps a bad idea ? I mean, you have a big rep bonus, and you can amply run 3 reps from 2 cap boosters... So why not ? You can fit 3 reps, 2 cap boosters and a rack of medium 180mm ACs with no fitting mod.... The idea is not that you run all of them forever, the idea is to pulse them as you need the. You aren't too vulnerable to neuts, becuase youre never more than a few seconds away from firing a cap booster. So yeah. STFU. bro ive flown myrmidon for 3yrs nd always used dual rep nd beat toons double my age in BCs with it or i tanked them long enough to get away.....get ur skills up nd fit dual rep triple rep is just stupid. ur deff not changing my mind on how to fit my ship nd considering myrmidon still has wat 54% or lower exp resist with triple rep fit means i could eat that thing with a myrmidon or an ishtar ... fit it well or dont fly it
Mr Ignitious Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:28:00 - [24] AC's + 1 neut and 1 nos on the myrm and the myrm wins in said scenario, easily. I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people. Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
jovoloro	Posted - 2009.11.13 18:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Mr Ignitious AC's + 1 neut and 1 nos on the myrm and the myrm wins in said scenario, easily. That would work, but take away the NOS, since your using a cap booster, your cap wouldn`t always be lower than his/hers. so I say stick 1 or 2 neuts and AC`s, but I need to train the AC`s skill up to make them more useful for me. I see there is alot of good points here as well, so far I see the myrm winning more than the brutix, however, the brutix would win if it caught the myrm within its guns optimal. That true?
Thargorr Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.13 22:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Cavazos if u reallt triple rep a myrmidon ur just stupid. triple repping any ship is stupid most all BS's are best flown buffered armor wise. 3x MAR II 2x EANM II DC II 10MN MWD II 2x Med Electro boosters 2/ 800s Disruptor II Fleeting Web 6x Dual 180mm IIs w/ RF EMP 2x Ogre II 2x Hammer II 1x Hobgoblin II 2x Aux Nano Pumps Nanobot Accelerator Tanks ~700dps on Kinetic/Thermal Puts out ~500dps Myrm wins vs Brutix. Myrm still loses to most other Tier 2 BCs.
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.11.15 03:20:00 - [27] With Domi's at 45million, why run a gallante BC, they have no speed advantage or DPS advantage over a domi... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.11.15 04:24:00 - [28] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/11/2009 04:25:00 Originally by: Footoo Rama With Domi's at 45million, why run a gallante BC, they have no speed advantage or DPS advantage over a domi... - Things which will engage a BC will not engage a Dominix - Myrmidon can damn well have a mobility (and locktime), etc, advantage. You could shield-fit it and get a very solid blaster/drone hybrid after all. (or laser/drone hybrid, or AC/drone hybrid... Myrm can do everything) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sovereign Enterprise Gallente Crimson Empire. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2009.11.15 11:30:00 - [29] Yeah pretty much only reason to fly a myrm is because it warps faster, moves faster (at least 60 m/s even trimarked), locks faster, and, most importantly, people engage a myrm that would never engage a domi. And hell, since we know we're fighting a rep brutix...just do kin/therm hardeners. His 5 unbonused valks won't kill you anyway.
Lusian	Posted - 2009.11.15 11:40:00 - [30] With decent skills you can pop a brutix from a straight out slugfest 560% of the. The myrmidon has a higher buffer for tank. The Brutix put out more dps with its high slot bonuses. The brutix and myrmidon have slightly different roles. So depending on how may ships you loose to learn to fly it will help decide the outcome of your preposed scenario.



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