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Derisor
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Posted - 2004.11.06 13:47:00 -
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You might be sitting there shaking your head saying, "Nah, I never open email atachments I dont know about and I never visit **** sites so Im ok."
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
You can get a virus merely by surfing the internet. If your browser hits a page with an ActiveX control, you are infected. ActiveX has all the power of applets and NONE of the security. Furthermore turning off ActiveX will put many many legit web pages in the impossible to rendercategory. (On a side note I wonder if CCP uses ActiveX)
"But I have Norton or McAffee," you say? Not good enough. Neither of those programs pick up programs called spyware. Spyware is hard to detect and elusive. The best program I know for spyware detection is SpySweeper from WebRoot. McAfee and Norton will NOT catch them. I ran SpySweeper on my brother's computer after he had both norton and mcafee running and I found 400 spyware.
So waht do you do???? How can you stop getting hacked. Regrettably you cant. Hackers and anti-Hackers are in a constant war and one of the biggest spyware supporters is Microsoft itself. However, you can make it quite difficult; difficult enough that the hacker will likely go look for someone else to hack rather than pick on you. Here is how.
1) NEVER EVER EVER EVER have your game password be the same as any password you have ever used on any web site, at work or anywhere else.
2) Make your game password something random. If your account is JoesAccount, making your password tnuoccAseoJ is NOT a good idea. Nor is the name of your cat, girlfried, or family member. Also forget about birthdays, social security numbers and whatnot.
A good password is something totally random with numbers and letters and at least 10 chars. The password fgj34dh89h is a good password. With 10 chars, only lower case and numbers, there are 36 to the 10th power possible combinations.
You might object "But how can I remember that!?!?!" Its not that hard. Write it on a piece of paper in a private place. Type it in 50 times and it will be burned into your brain. Then burn the paper.
3) SpySweeper, AntiVirus (I prefer McAfee), Firewall. This is the golden trio to block the badguys. Only one or two of them isnt enough. Spy sweeper will also block out web adds which often are ActiveX components carrying spyware payloads.
4) If you have the cash, get a router instead of a hub. Routers often have hardware firewalls which are much better.
5) Avoid surfing **** or Addware infested sites. Those sites are infested with spyware and viruses. If you really feel the need for ... ahem ... adult entertainment, use Emule (NOT KAZAA!!!!!) and download it for free anyway.  It may seem strange to say but lets not pretend people dont do this. My suggestion is to get a girlfriend; they may be expensive but they wont break your computer. 
6) Use strong spam filters. Prefer web mail over IMAP or Pop3 to public sites. Dont open any email attachments that you havent been told will be comming in advance. Beware that a virus can spoof an email to look like it comes from your parents or girlfriend.
7) Use email aliases and never give out your real email address publicly. In this manner you can periodically delete aliases to foil spammers.
If you are hacked, DONT PANIC. Rash actions like cancellign your account and so on dont help you and only help the hackers. Instead, change your password immediately and petition in game.
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Derisor
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Posted - 2004.11.06 13:47:00 -
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You might be sitting there shaking your head saying, "Nah, I never open email atachments I dont know about and I never visit **** sites so Im ok."
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
You can get a virus merely by surfing the internet. If your browser hits a page with an ActiveX control, you are infected. ActiveX has all the power of applets and NONE of the security. Furthermore turning off ActiveX will put many many legit web pages in the impossible to rendercategory. (On a side note I wonder if CCP uses ActiveX)
"But I have Norton or McAffee," you say? Not good enough. Neither of those programs pick up programs called spyware. Spyware is hard to detect and elusive. The best program I know for spyware detection is SpySweeper from WebRoot. McAfee and Norton will NOT catch them. I ran SpySweeper on my brother's computer after he had both norton and mcafee running and I found 400 spyware.
So waht do you do???? How can you stop getting hacked. Regrettably you cant. Hackers and anti-Hackers are in a constant war and one of the biggest spyware supporters is Microsoft itself. However, you can make it quite difficult; difficult enough that the hacker will likely go look for someone else to hack rather than pick on you. Here is how.
1) NEVER EVER EVER EVER have your game password be the same as any password you have ever used on any web site, at work or anywhere else.
2) Make your game password something random. If your account is JoesAccount, making your password tnuoccAseoJ is NOT a good idea. Nor is the name of your cat, girlfried, or family member. Also forget about birthdays, social security numbers and whatnot.
A good password is something totally random with numbers and letters and at least 10 chars. The password fgj34dh89h is a good password. With 10 chars, only lower case and numbers, there are 36 to the 10th power possible combinations.
You might object "But how can I remember that!?!?!" Its not that hard. Write it on a piece of paper in a private place. Type it in 50 times and it will be burned into your brain. Then burn the paper.
3) SpySweeper, AntiVirus (I prefer McAfee), Firewall. This is the golden trio to block the badguys. Only one or two of them isnt enough. Spy sweeper will also block out web adds which often are ActiveX components carrying spyware payloads.
4) If you have the cash, get a router instead of a hub. Routers often have hardware firewalls which are much better.
5) Avoid surfing **** or Addware infested sites. Those sites are infested with spyware and viruses. If you really feel the need for ... ahem ... adult entertainment, use Emule (NOT KAZAA!!!!!) and download it for free anyway. It may seem strange to say but lets not pretend people dont do this. My suggestion is to get a girlfriend; they may be expensive but they wont break your computer.
6) Use strong spam filters. Prefer web mail over IMAP or Pop3 to public sites. Dont open any email attachments that you havent been told will be comming in advance. Beware that a virus can spoof an email to look like it comes from your parents or girlfriend.
7) Use email aliases and never give out your real email address publicly. In this manner you can periodically delete aliases to foil spammers.
If you are hacked, DONT PANIC. Rash actions like cancellign your account and so on dont help you and only help the hackers. Instead, change your password immediately and petition in game.
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Spanker
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Posted - 2004.11.06 13:59:00 -
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GP
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.11.06 13:59:00 -
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GP
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:05:00 -
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Very good post Derisor.
Sadly enough Spyware is out of control, there is no way to completely stop them from installing themselves on your computer except by pulling out the internet cable.
I myself use 5 different spyware finders (Adaware,Spybot Search & Destroy,PestPatrol,Spyhunter and spykiller) and still i get occasional non-related popups when using internet explorer.
My tip of the day is : Don't use internet explorer, use some other webbrowser like firefox or mozilla and you will have a lot less problems. IF you do come across a webpage that has problems with these webbrowsers (bad page!) you can still use internet explorer as a backup system.
Now for viruses and trojans : It is indeed possible to get viruses from surfing the web ( espescially trojans) most won't harm you in any way, you won't even notice they're there but still running Norton , Mcafee or/and AVG will get rid of the most dangerous ones. (I recommend not using norton if you have any other choises for it has been known to cause a lot of instability on a windows system)
Just know this : The web is not a good place to be and you will be constantly bombarded with spyware,tracking cookies,virusses and trojans like there is no tommorow. But it is unlikely that you will ever be hacked personally and that they steal your password of a game. If this happens to you on more then 1 occasion prepare yourselves for a complete format of your windows partition or complete harddrive. (You might even want to contact a anti-hacking bureau if your country has it)
Thank you and surf safe
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:05:00 -
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Very good post Derisor.
Sadly enough Spyware is out of control, there is no way to completely stop them from installing themselves on your computer except by pulling out the internet cable.
I myself use 5 different spyware finders (Adaware,Spybot Search & Destroy,PestPatrol,Spyhunter and spykiller) and still i get occasional non-related popups when using internet explorer.
My tip of the day is : Don't use internet explorer, use some other webbrowser like firefox or mozilla and you will have a lot less problems. IF you do come across a webpage that has problems with these webbrowsers (bad page!) you can still use internet explorer as a backup system.
Now for viruses and trojans : It is indeed possible to get viruses from surfing the web ( espescially trojans) most won't harm you in any way, you won't even notice they're there but still running Norton , Mcafee or/and AVG will get rid of the most dangerous ones. (I recommend not using norton if you have any other choises for it has been known to cause a lot of instability on a windows system)
Just know this : The web is not a good place to be and you will be constantly bombarded with spyware,tracking cookies,virusses and trojans like there is no tommorow. But it is unlikely that you will ever be hacked personally and that they steal your password of a game. If this happens to you on more then 1 occasion prepare yourselves for a complete format of your windows partition or complete harddrive. (You might even want to contact a anti-hacking bureau if your country has it)
Thank you and surf safe
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Scorpius
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:05:00 -
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whenever i visit a site with activeX my browser automatically stops the rpogram from running ..since SP2 it tells me that there IS a active X proggy wanting to run but it wont let it unless i say so.
Which i find is the best way...btw i am daft enough to use IE
but i have enough stuff running to sotp any nasty spyware/viri ruuning
i have adware Se mcaffee sec center and i use the macffe standalone singer for trojan stuff
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Scorpius
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:05:00 -
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whenever i visit a site with activeX my browser automatically stops the rpogram from running ..since SP2 it tells me that there IS a active X proggy wanting to run but it wont let it unless i say so.
Which i find is the best way...btw i am daft enough to use IE
but i have enough stuff running to sotp any nasty spyware/viri ruuning
i have adware Se mcaffee sec center and i use the macffe standalone singer for trojan stuff
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Vhaln
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:45:00 -
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 Originally by: RedClaws
My tip of the day is : Don't use internet explorer, use some other webbrowser like firefox or mozilla and you will have a lot less problems. IF you do come across a webpage that has problems with these webbrowsers (bad page!) you can still use internet explorer as a backup system.
Just want to second this. It's very important when it comes to this sort of thing. IE is ridiculously vulnerable, in numerous ways that Mozilla (and it's close relative, Firefox) are not.
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Vhaln
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws
My tip of the day is : Don't use internet explorer, use some other webbrowser like firefox or mozilla and you will have a lot less problems. IF you do come across a webpage that has problems with these webbrowsers (bad page!) you can still use internet explorer as a backup system.
Just want to second this. It's very important when it comes to this sort of thing. IE is ridiculously vulnerable, in numerous ways that Mozilla (and it's close relative, Firefox) are not.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:47:00 -
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I am not worried. I use Firefox and am free of MickeySofts ActiveX.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:47:00 -
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I am not worried. I use Firefox and am free of MickeySofts ActiveX.
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Pacman
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:53:00 -
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anyone else think this should be a sticky...at least for a little bit?
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Pacman
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Posted - 2004.11.06 14:53:00 -
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anyone else think this should be a sticky...at least for a little bit?
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Nooey
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:07:00 -
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Agree, good post.
Personally speaking...
I really don't care about viruses, spyware etc.
I don't run a firewall, I don't run any anti-virus etc program. And I use Windows XP, the big target.
Everything runs fine.
And in my experience, I've had worse problems with Norton hijacking my access from me and denying me the net, where in the end, I had to format the HD (Nothing was lost but the OS and the preferences, all my data is saved on another partition)
No virus has ever been that bad for me. But that's just a one off event to be sure, it just happened to turn me off caring, since it was the one time I ever bothered to.
Told my eve buddies this one day, and they laughed their asses off at me. Said I'd get my bank account hacked, my accounts hacked, and my grandma stolen.
Well...my bank will give me any money people steal through online fraud back.
My accounts like Eve etc being hacked is about as probable as me bringing back me dead grandma so she can be stolen by net pirates yarrrrr. 
I think the virus stuff in general, isn't a real risk or liability to a home user. That's just my opinion, based on what's happened to me over 3 years of sitting online, all the time, unprotected.
The WORST thing to happen was MSblast/Sasser, which would reboot my computer automatically. It was something everyone using Windows was vulnerable to, Anti-Virus software or not. More importantly, it took about 30 minutes to fix. And the fix was free.
The next worst thing to happen was more recently, when my Internet Explorer homepage was hijacked. Tried to find a way to fix it, nothing worked. So I use Mozilla now instead. Not a big deal, at all.
Just my 2c on the whole issue. Not disagreeing with you Derisor, you have a good post going. Just thought I'd share my thoughts.
I've been having sex with the net unprotected and I'm STD free!
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Nooey
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:07:00 -
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Agree, good post.
Personally speaking...
I really don't care about viruses, spyware etc.
I don't run a firewall, I don't run any anti-virus etc program. And I use Windows XP, the big target.
Everything runs fine.
And in my experience, I've had worse problems with Norton hijacking my access from me and denying me the net, where in the end, I had to format the HD (Nothing was lost but the OS and the preferences, all my data is saved on another partition)
No virus has ever been that bad for me. But that's just a one off event to be sure, it just happened to turn me off caring, since it was the one time I ever bothered to.
Told my eve buddies this one day, and they laughed their asses off at me. Said I'd get my bank account hacked, my accounts hacked, and my grandma stolen.
Well...my bank will give me any money people steal through online fraud back.
My accounts like Eve etc being hacked is about as probable as me bringing back me dead grandma so she can be stolen by net pirates yarrrrr.
I think the virus stuff in general, isn't a real risk or liability to a home user. That's just my opinion, based on what's happened to me over 3 years of sitting online, all the time, unprotected.
The WORST thing to happen was MSblast/Sasser, which would reboot my computer automatically. It was something everyone using Windows was vulnerable to, Anti-Virus software or not. More importantly, it took about 30 minutes to fix. And the fix was free.
The next worst thing to happen was more recently, when my Internet Explorer homepage was hijacked. Tried to find a way to fix it, nothing worked. So I use Mozilla now instead. Not a big deal, at all.
Just my 2c on the whole issue. Not disagreeing with you Derisor, you have a good post going. Just thought I'd share my thoughts.
I've been having sex with the net unprotected and I'm STD free!
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:12:00 -
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I also recommend using other browsers than Internet Explorer (or browers that actually are nothing more than a graphic enhancement to your IE install). You never now when you will get "X:ed" by malware using ActiveX...
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:12:00 -
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I also recommend using other browsers than Internet Explorer (or browers that actually are nothing more than a graphic enhancement to your IE install). You never now when you will get "X:ed" by malware using ActiveX...
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Lig Lira
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
My suggestion is to get a girlfriend; they may be expensive but they wont break your computer.
I wish my girlfriend was as nice as yours.
Which PA character are you?
That's no flying saucer, that's my ass! |
Lig Lira
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
My suggestion is to get a girlfriend; they may be expensive but they wont break your computer.
I wish my girlfriend was as nice as yours.
Which PA character are you?
That's no flying saucer, that's my ass! |
Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:21:00 -
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Oh, and it's unprotected systems like the one described above that make worms spread around the world as fast as they do. An active worm on an open computer like that can reach hundreds of other computers.
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:21:00 -
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Oh, and it's unprotected systems like the one described above that make worms spread around the world as fast as they do. An active worm on an open computer like that can reach hundreds of other computers.
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belzebub1
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:24:00 -
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Nice post M8
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Dont forget to visit Magma Index at the below Link.
http://www.magmaindex.uni.cc/ |
belzebub1
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:24:00 -
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Nice post M8
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Dont forget to visit Magma Index at the below Link.
http://www.magmaindex.uni.cc/ |
Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:24:00 -
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kudos to you m8, scanning right now with spy sweeper and found 7 spywares already. mostly crappy toolbars etc.
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:24:00 -
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kudos to you m8, scanning right now with spy sweeper and found 7 spywares already. mostly crappy toolbars etc.
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Was it good for you? |
Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pacman
anyone else think this should be a sticky...at least for a little bit?
No, because its full of untruths. Moving from IE isn't going to solve any of your security problems. All browsers have them. ActiveX controls are not run unless YOU give them permission to do so. I don't see them all that often, so its not much of a problem.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pacman
anyone else think this should be a sticky...at least for a little bit?
No, because its full of untruths. Moving from IE isn't going to solve any of your security problems. All browsers have them. ActiveX controls are not run unless YOU give them permission to do so. I don't see them all that often, so its not much of a problem.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
cashman
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Pacman
anyone else think this should be a sticky...at least for a little bit?
Don't see why it should. Have very little to do with EVE.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.11.06 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Pacman
anyone else think this should be a sticky...at least for a little bit?
Don't see why it should. Have very little to do with EVE.
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