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Leaping Tiger	Posted - 2009.11.17 03:03:00 - [1] I would like to ask what the final fleet bonuses are for a Vulture (Caldari Fleet Command Ship) with the following setup: Vulture Highs: Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing = Boosts all shield resistances for the gang's ships -2% per level Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency = Reduces the capacitor need of the gang's shield boosters and shield transporters -2% per level Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding = Increases the speed of he gang's shield boosters and decreases the duration of shield transporters -2% per level I'm not forgetting the Siege Warfare Mindlink, I've excluded it intentionally. Relevant skills: Leadership V = 2% bonus to fleet members' targeting speed per skill level = +10% targeting speed Armored Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' armor hit points per skill level = +10% Armor Information Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' targeting range per skill level = +10% targeting range Siege Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' shield capacity per skill level = +10% shield capacity Skirmish Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' agility per skill level = +10% agility Siege Warfare Specialist V = Multiplies the effectiveness of Siege Warfare Link modules by 100% per skill level after level 2 is trained = +400% to Link modules Warfare Link Specialist V = Boosts effectiveness of all Link modules by 10% per level = +50% to Link modules Command Ships V = 3% to effectiveness of Siege Warfare Links per level = +15% to Link modules Therefore: +10% targeting speed +10% Armor +10% targeting range +10% shield capacity +10% agility 10% shield resists * (4 + .5 + .15) = +46% Shield Resists 10% Shield boost (4 + .5 + .15) = +46% Shield Boost 10% Boost Duration (4 + .5 + .15) = -46% Shield Boost Cycle duration Does this look accurate? Am I figuring the Link Module bonuses correctly? Thank you for your time and attention. _________________________ . . . but that's just me.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.11.17 03:16:00 - [2] 10 * 1.4 * 1.5 * 1.15 15 * 1.4 * 1.5 * 1.15 with mindlink ... doing this from memory here but its not 46% .
Leaping Tiger	Posted - 2009.11.17 03:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Ravenal 10 * 1.4 * 1.5 * 1.15 ... doing this from memory here but its not 46% The skills suggest it's 10 * 4 (not 1.4) * 1.5 * 1.15 which is 69% (heh) or 10 * (4 + .5 + .15) = 46%. I'm wondering if anyone KNOWS? _________________________ . . . but that's just me.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2009.11.17 04:14:00 - [4] well, i'd just have to log in and check any of my command ships for an exact number (all lvl5 in leadership) ... or check evemon 25,88% .
Leaping Tiger	Posted - 2009.11.17 05:47:00 - [5] I've been looking at Evemon and although it's completely brilliant alas it doesn't have the final calculations that I'm looking for and I'd really like to know how the numbers are applied. I've calculated both 46% and 69% by applying the numbers in different ways and now you've implied that in-game the number looks like 25.88%. Forgive me for asking, but how was that number arrived at exactly and to what does it apply? I'm guessing you've got Command Ships to V, but I'd like to read it explicitly. Thank you for your help by the way. _________________________ . . . but that's just me.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.11.17 06:01:00 - [6] Confirming maxed skills gives 25.875% when checked in game, Thats with the Mindlink, from memory its 17.5% without. Tengu gives 28.105% again with the mindlink.
Leaping Tiger	Posted - 2009.11.17 06:23:00 - [7] And the 17.5% without the mindlink would be stacking penalized? _________________________ . . . but that's just me.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.11.17 07:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Leaping Tiger And the 17.5% without the mindlink would be stacking penalized? Yes.
Mereden	Posted - 2009.11.17 12:07:00 - [9] You can use the spreadsheet I knocked up at http://cyclonic.org/links.xlsx to see all the potential bonuses - doesn't include the t3 ships. Enter your skills and it'll show you the boost you get, easy :)
K'racker Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.17 19:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Leaping Tiger I would like to ask what the final fleet bonuses are for a Vulture (Caldari Fleet Command Ship) with the following setup: Vulture Highs: Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing = Boosts all shield resistances for the gang's ships -2% per level Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency = Reduces the capacitor need of the gang's shield boosters and shield transporters -2% per level Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding = Increases the speed of he gang's shield boosters and decreases the duration of shield transporters -2% per level I'm not forgetting the Siege Warfare Mindlink, I've excluded it intentionally. Relevant skills: Leadership V = 2% bonus to fleet members' targeting speed per skill level = +10% targeting speed Armored Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' armor hit points per skill level = +10% Armor Information Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' targeting range per skill level = +10% targeting range Siege Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' shield capacity per skill level = +10% shield capacity Skirmish Warfare V = Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' agility per skill level = +10% agility Siege Warfare Specialist V = Multiplies the effectiveness of Siege Warfare Link modules by 100% per skill level after level 2 is trained = +400% to Link modules Warfare Link Specialist V = Boosts effectiveness of all Link modules by 10% per level = +50% to Link modules Command Ships V = 3% to effectiveness of Siege Warfare Links per level = +15% to Link modules Therefore: +10% targeting speed +10% Armor +10% targeting range +10% shield capacity +10% agility 10% shield resists * (4 + .5 + .15) = +46% Shield Resists 10% Shield boost (4 + .5 + .15) = +46% Shield Boost 10% Boost Duration (4 + .5 + .15) = -46% Shield Boost Cycle duration Does this look accurate? Am I figuring the Link Module bonuses correctly? Thank you for your time and attention. long and verbose post to avoid opening EFT ...

Syekuda State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.11.17 19:47:00 - [11] speaking of which. I personally think CCP should nerf the skill requirements to use those mindlink modules. its ridiculously long to use those and painful for the amount it gives you.
JonShannow Caldari Regante	Posted - 2009.11.17 20:30:00 - [12] they already did,, its called T3, no more need to train for command ships
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.11.17 21:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Syekuda speaking of which. I personally think CCP should nerf the skill requirements to use those mindlink modules. its ridiculously long to use those and painful for the amount it gives you. NOOOOO freakin way. NO more skill nerfs. NO, just NO. It's not long at all, I've been training my gang dude for less then 6 months now, and he's already starting to be pretty useful. Do not surrender this game to adhd console tards, instead keep rewarding those with even the tiniest speck of patience.
Brayiel Seal Clubbers	Posted - 2009.11.17 21:20:00 - [14] Make them none stacking penalised at the very least and I'll be overcome with joy.
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.11.17 21:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Leaping Tiger Siege Warfare Specialist V = Multiplies the effectiveness of Siege Warfare Link modules by 100% per skill level after level 2 is trained = +400% to Link modules Warfare Link Specialist V = Boosts effectiveness of all Link modules by 10% per level = +50% to Link modules Command Ships V = 3% to effectiveness of Siege Warfare Links per level = +15% to Link modules 10% shield resists * (4 + .5 + .15) = +46% Shield Resists 10% Shield boost (4 + .5 + .15) = +46% Shield Boost 10% Boost Duration (4 + .5 + .15) = -46% Shield Boost Cycle duration How did it get to ten and where is that 4 coming from and why are you doing additive instead of multiplicative??? Base * (specialist lvl * 1) * (1 + (link specialist * 0.1)) * (1 + (ship skill * 0.03)) * (1.5 if mindlink, 1 otherwise). so max it is: 2% * (5) * (1.5) * (1.15) * (1.5) = 25.875% or if you had the skills only at 3 and no mindlink: 2% * (3) * (1.3) * (1.09) * (1) = 8.502% ------------------------------ Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Thornike K Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.18 08:44:00 - [16] Originally by: JonShannow they already did,, its called T3, no more need to train for command ships Price? --- LSD is an area of the mind that could be called 'unsane' - beyond sanity, and yet not insane. Think of a circle with a fine split in it..
Von Agripas	Posted - 2009.12.18 11:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Thornike K Originally by: JonShannow they already did,, its called T3, no more need to train for command ships Price? Pinuts !!! 100 mil more would have done the trick..
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2009.12.18 13:46:00 - [18] Originally by: JonShannow they already did,, its called T3, no more need to train for command ships seems that 200mil for a command ship is a lot less than 6-700mil for a t3 jon, or have you forgotten how to count.
AgentFruitfly	Posted - 2009.12.18 23:48:00 - [19] Edited by: AgentFruitfly on 18/12/2009 23:48:17 Originally by: Darek Castigatus Originally by: JonShannow they already did,, its called T3, no more need to train for command ships seems that 200mil for a command ship is a lot less than 6-700mil for a t3 jon, or have you forgotten how to count. t3 commandship = more isk, less training time, better bonus, safer ship (as compared with fleet cmdship). Ppl can decide for themselves what's priority for them.


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