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Soralio Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.17 16:34:00 - [31] TL:DR Just went for the page 2 snipe HYRDA WILL PROVAIL
Jimmy Kudo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.17 16:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Raelyf Of course piracy is PVP. The common misconception, however, is that PVP implies some sort of WoW style battleground where each side is equal. In EVE, we have our own term for that: it's called '**ing up your intel'. PVP means a variety of things, from market competition to piracy to 0.0 wars. No where does this imply fairness, and a key part of being successful at each is seizing advantages your opponent can't match - be it a t2 bpo or simply a blob. Love it or hate it, this is EVE. Personally, I generally define piracy as style of game play by which you make all or most of your income by, well, pirating. Ransoms are a staple of this, since it's more profitable - while lowsec 'pvp' corps tend to be simply out of killmails. This ^^^^^ Now this thread can be closed ___________________ HAWAIIAN PRIDE**
Wiccan999	Posted - 2009.11.17 16:58:00 - [33] this is fairly a fun discussion.I see no need in it getting closed
Vertumnus	Posted - 2009.11.17 17:59:00 - [34] Ahoy, Aye, just because we deliver the Black Spot to poeple... because thy be scurvy t' jump int' low sec,and sink t'Davy Jone's locker and pillage da loot doesnt mean we be bad people Gar. Arrr, me do agree with most corps be just lookin' for a fight, and the lowsec to' 0.0 pipes be thar Aye. because o' the Nbsi policy Aye, me parrot concurs. Arrr, if concord doesnt show up, and you look like somethin' i can keelhaul at noon im goin' t' shoot ya
Wiccan999	Posted - 2009.11.17 21:51:00 - [35] lol
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.11.17 22:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat "Pirates" ar jsut dirty greiefers and shud al be bannd form the game!!! Qouted 4 truth! They r shud be bannd! __ Now Recruiting
Jimmy Kudo Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.17 23:48:00 - [37] Originally by: Vertumnus Ahoy, Aye, just because we deliver the Black Spot to poeple... because thy be scurvy t' jump int' low sec,and sink t'Davy Jone's locker and pillage da loot doesnt mean we be bad people Gar. Arrr, me do agree with most corps be just lookin' for a fight, and the lowsec to' 0.0 pipes be thar Aye. because o' the Nbsi policy Aye, me parrot concurs. Arrr, if concord doesnt show up, and you look like somethin' i can keelhaul at noon im goin' t' shoot ya ok wait...now that I have read this...now this thread can be closed ___________________ HAWAIIAN PRIDE
Joseph Morjuet	Posted - 2009.11.18 00:32:00 - [38] wat im in ur systemz stealin ur pew pew
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.11.18 03:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Wiccan995 'Pirate' : A sailing criminal who, sails on a ship, steals from other ships, lives without any law: only a set of morals, survives on goods stolen from other ships/ports. Unfortunatly in my life as a pirate, I get alot of people thinking that piracy or beeing a pirate you are supposed to go to lowsec and kill anyone you meet.Or too many people telling me : ''you're not a pirate you are a thief!'' wich is really something that makes me think 'this guy misses the point completely' The mixup is a bit understanding tho.We pirates do some pvp ofcourse, and its a necessary aspect.And we also get the thrill of a kill. So let me try today to rectify this crazy picture. Piracy, first of all, is business.People put it down as violence or some kind of evil entertainment, which it is not. We are business people and our methods and our problems are those shared by most hardworking men and women in this universe. So this is what we do: We venture out onto the uncertain end of space and do business. We meet new people. A lot of this involves cold calls. We come across a vessel and they donÆt know us. They recognize the Pirate flag, We merge and we acquire. Like all entrepreneurs, weÆre out to make a killing, but we rarely have to. We board our target vessel, explain our business to the client, because information is the key in all commerce today. In such negotiations we suggest our clients to transfer their cargo to our hold. It is a good deal for everyone, a definition of the win-win scenario. We are able to procure their tons of ore and luxuries, and they are able to stay alive, stay afloat, essentially live to quibble another day. Die in a fire you troll.* in game of course*
Wiccan999	Posted - 2009.11.18 12:48:00 - [40] very creative.....
Captain Tardbar State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.11.18 16:16:00 - [41] Originally by: My Postman Thats why i don¦t pay ransomes, i rather loose my CNR. Thats why i don¦t talk to pirates in local after they killed my ship (and even my pod, if i mess it up) - and THAT does really hurt you. Silence is often the best form of tears because it leaves emo-raging to the imagination.
Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.11.18 16:53:00 - [42] I'm just in it for the group **** and pillaging. =================== Go Bucks!
RoCkEt X Hostile.	Posted - 2009.11.18 19:19:00 - [43] technically a pirate in eve is someone who kills for profit... which is rare... most kill for lolz. [.-H-.] Hostile.
SqualZell Madman	Posted - 2009.11.19 00:19:00 - [44] Originally by: RoCkEt X technically a pirate in eve is someone who kills for profit... which is rare... most kill for lolz. there we go. in my corp we call pirates those who actually disable your ship then ransom you for a value less than the ship. in my corp we call pirates those who will attack a ship carrying expensive stuff to loot it. in my corp we call pirates those who will only act if there is a profit in the end in my corp we call grieffers those who simply kill for the lolz. or because its fun in my corp we call grieffers those who use game mechanics to stop you from playing the game (without intention of killing or gaining profit) pushing orcas or scamming in jita. in my corp we call cowards those who use the game mechanics to get easy kills of ships that cant shoot back. (aka high sec corp infiltrators) (and then edit the killmail on battleclinic to make it so it was their main who killed it, then recycle the character)
Fodderlol	Posted - 2009.11.19 09:25:00 - [45] Quote: Webster: ûnoun 1.a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea. This doesn't say robbery is a necessary condition for piracy. It uses the word "OR" express that a person who commits illegal violence at Sea (in Eve, space is our ocean) is an equally valid condition, not a additional one, for being a pirate. Pirates can be those who simply commit illegal acts of boat violence, in violation of in-game "criminal law" as set forth by the Empire in control of the system, which is important because it sets Pirates apart from 0.0 combatants and those who operate in empire under the sanction of a war-dec. A pirate could also work as a merc or for a 0.0 alliance. It doesn't mean that his roaming pvp in lowsec is any less pirate-like.
ISK1machine	Posted - 2009.11.19 11:54:00 - [46] I once tried to ransom a guy in a belt in low sec.I was talking to him in English,he was responding in Russian. Meh...i figured i am a fail in piracy therefore i just kill whatever i can from that day. P.S:if you want to be a pirate,you need to be a thief,"bad" person and talk many languages hahaha
Wiccan999	Posted - 2009.11.19 16:29:00 - [47] And still people say ' highsec pirates are not pirates'
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.19 17:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Wiccan999 And still people say ' highsec pirates are not pirates' There is a fairly large difference between highsec piracey and lowsec piracey, but the bottom line for both is to make money off of other people's efforts. Highsec pirates are involved in a bit more of the mechanics games then those of us in lowsec. Highsec pirates use a whole different set of tricks and tactics to get what they are after. Lowsec pirates tend to be more combat related and perform better in roaming gangs. The most common example of this would be the mission bust. In highsec you can't shoot the person unless they are dumb enough to attack you while you loot wrecks and what not. Targets are a no brainer to find and it is just a matter of time before someone bites. Highsec piracey is very low risk to the pirates as a result. They pray off of other people's arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity, which is perfectly fine by me. In lowsec we do not have that restriction, but lowsec missioners have a tendancy to be a bit brither then their highsec counterparts and harder to find. Probing and tackling in lowsec is almost an art form compared to highsec. You have to find them, probe them, and sneak a tackler into the mission ASAP else the jig is up. There is also a higher risk factor as well. Gate/Station guns, docking games, gate camps, etc all have to be considered, but the rewards can be worth the risks if you are good at it. I actually have a measure of respect for those carebear types that hang out in lowsec doing missioning, mining, POS, plexing, etc. It is a step most people in the game never take and I am much more satisifed by lightening their wallets instead of their ship hangar.
Captain Phil	Posted - 2009.11.19 19:03:00 - [49] play the game how you want to. just don't make nerd threads like this
Madla Mafia	Posted - 2009.11.19 19:56:00 - [50] PvP - Player versus Player. Player A - Pirate Player B - Victim What part of piracy isn't PvP? They certainly don't go around shooting NPC haulers.
Thargorr Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.20 14:09:00 - [51] The bit I find hilarious is that you carebeary types claim all pirates are sociopaths then turn right around and try to verbally hurt out feelings... You do know the definition of sociopathy is a deficit in all corners of the inner triangle, ie ability to love/experience emotions, innate sense of morals, and impulse control...right? Quite simply if the pirate is a sociopath you're not gonna be able to hurt his feelings,m ever ever. He/she doesn't have any. If the pirate is not a sociopath they're really just playing a role in an internets spaceship game, no need for personal attacks.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.20 15:18:00 - [52] Cos PIRACY IS SERIOUS BUSINESS! Seriously. **** definitions. Do what you want. To take one from the late great George Carlin, 'I consider these things to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.'
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2009.11.20 15:36:00 - [53] I love the way time and time again someone pulls up a wiki quote about pirates using cannons, parrots, and ransoms. This is a game. Move on. If someone who pays subs wants to attack someone else in low sec and take the hit then they are a pirate if they want. If they ransom then booyah. If they blow the victim up and make profit from the loot then double booyah. I wish all the noobs who sit on a nice safe 0.0 gate camp would get off their high horses and stop *****ing about low sec pirates who do the same. I'm cross now.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.20 15:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Junko Togawa George Carlin, 'I consider these things to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.' Hadn't heard that one, but I like it. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Alliance creation service, also corp updates
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 16:33:00 - [55] Piracy in Eve is just a context for conflict. It's (and people are gonna wail over this) a roleplay explanation for a certain subset of player actions. Somebody hit on it earlier: piracy is, in general, simply the application of "not blue, shoot it" against anyone and everyone in any space and every space. Nobody really "pirates" in Eve...it's a pvp-centric internet spaceships shooty game. Piracy is simply a term used to put some sort of context to the shooty. If it's ships raiding space and attacking miners or setting up lowsec camps, people tend to call it piracy. If the organization doing it has a roleplay identity as freedom fighters, it's usually just called terrorism. If there's a known conflict between the involved organizations, it tends to be called "war," even if there's no Concord sanctioned war in place. The over-arching gamer term for all of these circumstances is quite simply "pvp." Piracy is a roleplay term, often times applied by people who would cringe at the thought of being associated with roleplay in any sense...of course I still stand by the idea that we're all roleplayers when we partake in the Eve universe, whether we like it or not.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.21 00:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Garreck Piracy in Eve is just a context for conflict. It's (and people are gonna wail over this) a roleplay explanation for a certain subset of player actions. Somebody hit on it earlier: piracy is, in general, simply the application of "not blue, shoot it" against anyone and everyone in any space and every space. Nobody really "pirates" in Eve...it's a pvp-centric internet spaceships shooty game. Piracy is simply a term used to put some sort of context to the shooty. If it's ships raiding space and attacking miners or setting up lowsec camps, people tend to call it piracy. If the organization doing it has a roleplay identity as freedom fighters, it's usually just called terrorism. If there's a known conflict between the involved organizations, it tends to be called "war," even if there's no Concord sanctioned war in place. The over-arching gamer term for all of these circumstances is quite simply "pvp." Piracy is a roleplay term, often times applied by people who would cringe at the thought of being associated with roleplay in any sense...of course I still stand by the idea that we're all roleplayers when we partake in the Eve universe, whether we like it or not. I am glad that I read your post before I hit post on my response, because this says what I was trying to say much better. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Uma Thurman Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition	Posted - 2009.11.21 02:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Ravenesa Originally by: Wiccan999 And still people say ' highsec pirates are not pirates' There is a fairly large difference between highsec piracey and lowsec piracey, but the bottom line for both is to make money off of other people's efforts. Highsec pirates are involved in a bit more of the mechanics games then those of us in lowsec. Highsec pirates use a whole different set of tricks and tactics to get what they are after. Lowsec pirates tend to be more combat related and perform better in roaming gangs. The most common example of this would be the mission bust. In highsec you can't shoot the person unless they are dumb enough to attack you while you loot wrecks and what not. Targets are a no brainer to find and it is just a matter of time before someone bites. Highsec piracey is very low risk to the pirates as a result. They pray off of other people's arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity, which is perfectly fine by me. In lowsec we do not have that restriction, but lowsec missioners have a tendancy to be a bit brither then their highsec counterparts and harder to find. Probing and tackling in lowsec is almost an art form compared to highsec. You have to find them, probe them, and sneak a tackler into the mission ASAP else the jig is up. There is also a higher risk factor as well. Gate/Station guns, docking games, gate camps, etc all have to be considered, but the rewards can be worth the risks if you are good at it. I actually have a measure of respect for those carebear types that hang out in lowsec doing missioning, mining, POS, plexing, etc. It is a step most people in the game never take and I am much more satisifed by lightening their wallets instead of their ship hangar. This is a good explanation, most important is having fun.
Hannibal Kragan	Posted - 2009.11.21 03:12:00 - [58] I'm not a pirate(yet) but I have always found it funny when people complain about pirates attacking industrials and miners instead pvp ships...what else would pirates attack, those are the ones with loot, real pirates went after merchant ships and whalers and generally avoided the navy.
ShadowLZ Minmatar We See Dead People Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2009.11.21 03:34:00 - [59] People associate the meaning of 'pirate' in eve with to many aspects, which cause to much conflicting views. Most non 'pirates' think that a pirate is just someone who attacks and/or hinders other players progress. That seems to be a good definition, but there's many ways to go about it. For instance if you ransom instead of killing, that's a different form of 'piracy' then gate camping. That's the only reason this discussion even exists. Because if your a 'pirate' you may have a different way of hindering players than another. ---------------------------------------- -Pulvis et umbra sumus.
Shade Millith International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2009.11.21 10:18:00 - [60] Edited by: Shade Millith on 21/11/2009 10:21:11 Edited by: Shade Millith on 21/11/2009 10:19:22 Originally by: Wiccan995 'Pirate' : A sailing criminal who, sails on a ship, steals from other ships, lives without any law: only a set of morals, survives on goods stolen from other ships/ports. Where the hell did you get that from? Pirate's (You know, RL pirates?) attacked anything weak, took anything valuable, ****d the women, killed the men, set the ship ablaze, and left. They would flee from anything that looks like a threat or can defend itself. There was a reason pirate ships were smaller and faster than Royal Navy vesseles The crew were held in line by threats and violence by those loyal to the captain of the ship. Where the hell did you get "Live by morals" from? Movies and story books? --------------------------------------------

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