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Aelysiann	Posted - 2009.11.22 04:21:00 - [1] They seem inordinately expensive at 20 million minimum. My character is a fighter-type, do I just need to grind and grind missions until I can salvage my way to 20-30 million? Thanks for any insight.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.11.22 04:35:00 - [2] Cosmic anomalies lowsec/0.0 ratting exploration ninjasalvaging plenty of options aside from missions.
Aelysiann	Posted - 2009.11.22 05:00:00 - [3] THanks for the ideas :) What is a cosmic anomaly? Is that something you dir scan for?
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.11.22 05:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Aelysiann THanks for the ideas :) What is a cosmic anomaly? Is that something you dir scan for? They're easiest to find with core scanner probes. However, you can use the ship scanner to scan near planets for them as well. They're encounters...groups of NPCs with a chance for faction spawn and/or escalation.
Chainfall	Posted - 2009.11.22 06:54:00 - [5] Trading in Jita with initial isk earned from a few missions.
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics	Posted - 2009.11.22 07:04:00 - [6] Do missions for Ministry of Internal Order, salvage the wrecks, sell salvage, refine the loot, sell the minerals you get from the loot, use LP to buy implants, take implants to Amarr hub and sell. Rinse and repeat. This is what I did and I get a BC in no time Fortune Favors the Bold!!
The AEther Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.22 07:29:00 - [7] ratting in 0.0 in a cruiser, was making about 20 mil per hour killing BS spawns and looting them ... this was years ago though, the named items cost more but we did not have salvaging
Dacryphile	Posted - 2009.11.22 08:29:00 - [8] I paid for my first cruiser with L1s. My first drake with L2s, and my first raven with L3s. It was a tough grind but by the end I knew I had earned it. Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Nexus Wolfguard	Posted - 2009.11.22 10:28:00 - [9] Missions are the lowest risk most efficient way to earn income for a combat oriented pilot. Salvaging becomes time efficient around level 3-4 missions, about the time where you are using a battlecruiser to begin with. Find a good missioning fit. A good site for it is battleclinic.com Look up a cruiser you like with the minimum tank you need for a level 2, around 50dps, and shove the rest full of damage and whatever else you like.
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.22 11:20:00 - [10] I recall the time between Cruiser and BC was the time I learned to use the market properly. Instead of right-click, sell......I learned to use the 'advanced' button and set up a sell order for my loot. At first I didn't see any results, but after a couple of days, the sales started to mount. Instead of accepting a measly fee for my loot items, I was actually getting what they were worth - or in some cases a good deal more. I also learned to use buy orders, so instead of paying market rate for items, I often got them at bargain basement prices. Again, I sometimes had to wait a day or two for my items, but a little forward planning and I had my stuff in time for when I needed it. ______________________ Agony Unleashed is proud to support TeaDaze for CSM
Gsptlsnz	Posted - 2009.11.22 12:44:00 - [11] Doing L3 missions in highSec using a cruiser (Vexor, T1 drones for dps). Took about a week doing 1-2 missions per day weekdays, 3-4 weekend.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.22 13:10:00 - [12] I scavenged a large gun off a BS Duel for 17m, then did lvl2s for the rest...somehow. I don't know how I managed.
mettisitis sindicis	Posted - 2009.11.22 14:24:00 - [13] What are you doing with the loot? I was stockpiling it for a while, but I sold a lot of it off and had well over 20 million worth of junk. Some of the tags or named loot items I had were worth several million, so don't reprocess until you've checked the market price.
Aelysiann	Posted - 2009.11.22 18:43:00 - [14] Lots of great ideas! Thanks all!
Aelysiann	Posted - 2009.11.22 19:10:00 - [15] Originally by: mettisitis sindicis What are you doing with the loot? I was stockpiling it for a while, but I sold a lot of it off and had well over 20 million worth of junk. Some of the tags or named loot items I had were worth several million, so don't reprocess until you've checked the market price. I actually have over 400 items (already stacked) that I have looted. Most of it sells for 95% under its regional average.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.11.22 19:53:00 - [16] I mined my way into a retriever, then joined a big industrial corp in 0.0 that provided free battlecruisers and battleships after a couple of months attending weekly mining ops with the corp. So my first BC and BS were free, but you could say I earned them by mining. ... The Fighting Republicans now recruiting for a 2010 comeback campaign!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.11.22 20:13:00 - [17] running level 2 missions.
mettisitis sindicis	Posted - 2009.11.22 21:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Aelysiann Originally by: mettisitis sindicis What are you doing with the loot? I was stockpiling it for a while, but I sold a lot of it off and had well over 20 million worth of junk. Some of the tags or named loot items I had were worth several million, so don't reprocess until you've checked the market price. I actually have over 400 items (already stacked) that I have looted. Most of it sells for 95% under its regional average. Ok, that statement is setting of red flags for me. First off, when you right-click on an item and click sell, you are only getting the price of the best buy order available at your current station. The regional average isn't that accurate either, as one really high sell order can skew the whole thing, and it just takes the simple average instead of the median. However, if you are seeing that many sell prices 95% below the average, it is more likely you are operating in a remote system. Always click "View market details," when selling/buying items. Sometimes you can get a vastly better price, if you are willing to haul your items a few jumps away. Sometimes, there might not be any good buy order prices, but that doesn't mean the item isn't in demand. Examine the price history of an item, and look at eve-central.com to get an idea of the demand for that item across all regions. Then decide whether it's worth it to reprocess it, or put up a sell order and wait.
KaarBaak Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.22 21:58:00 - [19] My Harbinger was the first thing I bought on contracts. The advantage to buying on contracts is that you'll often find them 'pre-rigged' for less than you can put them together buying ship and rigs separately. Just make sure the pickup location is accessible and also not 45 jumps away. KB KB Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land.
Aelysiann	Posted - 2009.11.23 01:00:00 - [20] Originally by: mettisitis sindicis Originally by: Aelysiann Originally by: mettisitis sindicis What are you doing with the loot? I was stockpiling it for a while, but I sold a lot of it off and had well over 20 million worth of junk. Some of the tags or named loot items I had were worth several million, so don't reprocess until you've checked the market price. I actually have over 400 items (already stacked) that I have looted. Most of it sells for 95% under its regional average. Ok, that statement is setting of red flags for me. First off, when you right-click on an item and click sell, you are only getting the price of the best buy order available at your current station. The regional average isn't that accurate either, as one really high sell order can skew the whole thing, and it just takes the simple average instead of the median. However, if you are seeing that many sell prices 95% below the average, it is more likely you are operating in a remote system. Always click "View market details," when selling/buying items. Sometimes you can get a vastly better price, if you are willing to haul your items a few jumps away. Sometimes, there might not be any good buy order prices, but that doesn't mean the item isn't in demand. Examine the price history of an item, and look at eve-central.com to get an idea of the demand for that item across all regions. Then decide whether it's worth it to reprocess it, or put up a sell order and wait. Yes, this is the biggest thing I cam getting out of this thread; that I need to learn to use the market. Thanks for the info, this is a part of Eve I have neglected (but is actually rather cool now that I look into it).
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2009.11.23 22:06:00 - [21] I mined in a .5 system until I had enough low-end minerals to buy the high-ends with the surplus and built my first prophecy from a bpc given to me. This was before the tier 2 BC's were added. My first harbinger I bough the day they were added to game... spent ~60m ISK on it as it was the first one on the market in the region where I was at the time and I was too lazy and rich from living in 0.0 to care. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Sanctus Maleficus Lambent Enterprises	Posted - 2009.11.23 22:59:00 - [22] There used to be this spot in Sahtogas, it was this donut shaped asteroid, and 100k cruisers spawned at it like ever minute. No idea what it was, but it was always there, some guy gave me a book mark to it. Killing them in a frig, I was making over 1m an hour, only a couple weeks into the game. Seemed like fantastic easy money at the time.
Ozanna leCureHardy	Posted - 2009.11.24 00:51:00 - [23] I paid for my first BC by salvaging for L4 mission-runners. I had to invest a few days into training for salvagers and tractor beams, but I found that there were a surprisingly large number of players who would give me a cut of their earnings for speeding their mission-running up, especially players in mission-running hubs who felt that they'd rather get some of their salvage than see it all go to ninja-salvagers. If you're honest and prepared to travel around hisec, and if you offer your services in a relatively good-humoured channel you can make quite a lot this way. When I remembered that I was actually going to do some mission-running myself, I found I had the money to buy, insure and fit two battlecruisers. This being Eve, exercise caution about the people you work for and the places you work in. As always, being in some kind of organisation really helps -- if you do this for a corp-mate you can trust each other more. Of course, the same skills are useful for ninja-salvaging, which is rather more exciting . . . Anyway, friendly salvaging is how I did it. I'd echo the comments of others about learning the basics of sell and buy orders, too. That's very useful.
Cyprus Black Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.24 05:55:00 - [24] You don't have to run the high level mission to salvage the wrecks from it. I'm speaking of course about Ninja Salvaging. Back in my early days of EvE when I was a noob, I was an avid ninja salvager. Made anywhere from 6 to 40 million per day depending on the effort put forth. ___________________________________ Originally by: Kortne EVE is an amazing game, but other players ruin it.
Jethro Hawkins	Posted - 2009.11.24 07:00:00 - [25] Wow, i'm a little drunk but it seems like I'm the first to say: I sold a GTC and bought one. Now, almost a year later I'm buying Plex's to fund someone else's fun.
Toonces Otama	Posted - 2009.11.24 12:59:00 - [26] Just a whole bunch of level 2's, and I eventually had myself my first Hurricane. You'll go through the same thing for a Battleship, only on level 3's, unless of course you sell a PLEX. It was actually rewarding doing it that way IMO, a real feeling of accomplishment. Of course now I only run missions as a nessessary evil in order to fund a PvP addiction, but those early days were all about getting a bigger and badder ship. It'll take you a little time, but you'll soon have your BC, and things will begin to get even more interesting.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2009.11.24 13:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Aelysiann They seem inordinately expensive at 20 million minimum. My character is a fighter-type, do I just need to grind and grind missions until I can salvage my way to 20-30 million? Thanks for any insight. Personally I wouldn't be buying a 20mil ship if I only had 20~30 mil ISK, much less fly it. -----
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2009.11.24 13:29:00 - [28] Mining mission spaces for Level I & II missions run to gain standing with NPC Corporations. Vastly more wealth in the rocks than there was from the mission. That isn't a quick way of getting a BC though as you have to get your mining stuff first but it is a way of transitioning into running missions from mining. Mining and Mission Running can both get fairly tedious ... so doing both helps break up the boredom. At least you get to do something different for a while. It is - again - not a quick route to a BC though as you have a lot of divergent skill paths to track. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Laciter	Posted - 2009.11.24 14:07:00 - [29] I will say from experience, don't rush into a BC and start running level 3 missions, unless you know specifically what missions to avoid. I can tell you that "million little pieces" and "my sweet privateer" are missions to decline, unless you can fully fit your BC with Tech 2 modules, or if you have help. Think about The Blockade at level 2. Well, there are more like that in level 3. That being said, many of the missions are quite easy in a BC. The downside (at least with Amarr Navy) is level 3 agents aren't clustered in one station anywhere in hi-sec, so if you have already declined and one of the hard missions pop up, you will have to go to another system, or wait 4 hours.
Captain Tardbar State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.11.25 18:50:00 - [30] GTC QFT

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