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Linnea Berner	Posted - 2009.11.22 11:29:00 - [1] The topic pretty much says it all. Nighthawk or Raven for missions? Which one does it best? Also, is Golem much better for isk/hour than normal raven? -Linnea
Boink'urr Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst	Posted - 2009.11.22 11:32:00 - [2] Aaaand the answer you're probably looking for is....Caldari Navy Raven or CNR. Now where do i collect my cookie :D
Linnea Berner	Posted - 2009.11.22 11:34:00 - [3] Yeah that's what i thought. Would have been more exciting to go for the hawk though
CrazySpaceHobo Caldari Mysterys Inc. Clandestine Encounters	Posted - 2009.11.22 13:02:00 - [4] Edited by: CrazySpaceHobo on 22/11/2009 13:04:36 Personally, I use a nighthawk. It's much faster, and you can get some quite good DPS from it if you fit it right, and at the same time you've still got more than enough tank to perma-tank whole room aggro, which is good if you're lazy and cba to manage your drones (like me :P) My Fit: [Nighthawk, Mission (Guristas)] Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Power Diagnostic System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Hornet II x5 w/ My skills, 734 DPS tank vs Guristas Pirates 596 DPS output, 2534 Volley 400m/s speed All in, not that expensive overall, not compared to those gist X CNR fits .
Patri Andari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:04:00 - [5] Originally by: CrazySpaceHobo Edited by: CrazySpaceHobo on 22/11/2009 13:04:36 Personally, I use a nighthawk. It's much faster, and you can get some quite good DPS from it if you fit it right, and at the same time you've still got more than enough tank to perma-tank whole room aggro, which is good if you're lazy and cba to manage your drones (like me :P) My Fit: [Nighthawk, Mission (Guristas)] Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Power Diagnostic System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Hornet II x5 w/ My skills, 734 DPS tank vs Guristas Pirates 596 DPS output, 2534 Volley 400m/s speed All in, not that expensive overall, not compared to those gist X CNR fits . This fit is almost identical to mine but I did throw a bit more isk in it and also got + 5 missile hardwires. The result is a ship that does moar DPS than a cruise CNR and does not need a target painter. Nighthawk gets a bonus to explosion velocity also. All in all you do not loose as much damage as cruise missiles do to anything smaller than a BS. Patri A fool usually thinks he is a genius
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:06:00 - [6] Or you can go active with something like that (no need to go all faction/deadspace, it will be fine with T2 everywhere except the 2 shield boosters, that are not expensive anyway) Quote: [Nighthawk, Actif Faction Mission] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 The tank and dps are equivalent to the passive setup above, but explosion radius is 116 instead of 161 with furies, 67 instead of 96 with TI/faction. The BIG advantage with active setup is that you can rig rigor, which make your Scourge Fury hit cruisers for 100% damage, which is not the case without rigor. The time saved is worth the effort of activating the shield booster, at least I think it is :)
CrazySpaceHobo Caldari Mysterys Inc. Clandestine Encounters	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Patri Andari This fit is almost identical to mine but I did throw a bit more isk in it and also got + 5 missile hardwires. The result is a ship that does moar DPS than a cruise CNR and does not need a target painter. Nighthawk gets a bonus to explosion velocity also. All in all you do not loose as much damage as cruise missiles do to anything smaller than a BS. Oh, yeah, I forgot about my hardwires :P, I've got the KVA1000, KYA1000, and 'Deadeye' ZMM100
Leather Jack Kernite Commando	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Linnea Berner Also, is Golem much better for isk/hour than normal raven? Not even the same league. Raven to Golem is what L3's are to L4's. You should get one to and fly it in Irjunen.
Dracthera Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.23 23:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Linnea Berner The topic pretty much says it all. Nighthawk or Raven for missions? Which one does it best? Also, is Golem much better for isk/hour than normal raven? -Linnea Golem > CNR ~ Nighthawk > Raven ~ Drake. Apto Quod Ususfructus
Song Li MinmaTire Corporation LTD	Posted - 2009.11.24 00:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Dracthera Golem > CNR ~ Nighthawk > Raven ~ Drake. Might even say the NH is slightly better then the CNR. I flew both, and hated the CNR while loving the NH. Though the Tengu is greater then both. There's a good article on the comparison here: http://evewarrior.com/archives/battleships-versus-command-ships-revisited ------------------- Voting for the Council of Stellar Management is now online. Make your voice heard: http://www.eveonline.com/council/voting/ You game. Your way. Your voice. Think Song Li when choosing your candidate

Dracthera Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.24 03:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Song Li Originally by: Dracthera Golem > CNR ~ Nighthawk > Raven ~ Drake. Might even say the NH is slightly better then the CNR. I flew both, and hated the CNR while loving the NH. Though the Tengu is greater then both. I forgot to mention the Tengu, but it's not better than either the CNR or the NH. I'd say they're all on about par. Thus the ~. In some situations one ship will be slightly better than the other, but on average they come out the same (not simply talking DPS here of course, but mission profitability which is the purpose of the thread). For example, you can earn more ISK with the NH over the Tengu because, while having similar missile DPS, the NH adds drones AND can fit a tractor for looting large wrecks on the go, which the Tengu can't do. Apto Quod Ususfructus
GGjita	Posted - 2009.11.24 05:14:00 - [12] I would have to say that the progression of ships with full gank setups looks more like: Golem > CNR > Tengu > Raven = NH Golem easily wins 3x rigor, 1 tp, 4 BCU CNR is going to crush a NH or Tengu, those that say the NH is better than the CNR have never flown an actual gank CNR and just don't know better. Tengu is going to out preform the NH due to it's shear advantage in DPS, bigger effective tank, and speed Sadly NH really is not that great a mission ship when it comes to the rest of the caldari L4 mission ships. Only thing it really beats is the drake, cause the raven flown with a rigor + 4 BCU setup is going to have almost identical mission times. Only place the NH really is going to shine is in doing L5's. Yes I have flown the gank versions of all of these ships and kept track of my mission times. Please don't try to compare not gank versions because that just doesn't do each ship justice.
N Ano Caldari SoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.24 09:51:00 - [13] Originally by: GGjita I would have to say that the progression of ships with full gank setups looks more like: Golem > CNR = Tengu > Raven = NH Golem easily wins 3x rigor, 1 tp, 4 BCU CNR is going to crush a NH or Tengu, those that say the NH is better than the CNR have never flown an actual gank CNR and just don't know better. Tengu is going to out preform the NH due to it's shear advantage in DPS, bigger effective tank, and speed Sadly NH really is not that great a mission ship when it comes to the rest of the caldari L4 mission ships. Only thing it really beats is the drake, cause the raven flown with a rigor + 4 BCU setup is going to have almost identical mission times. Only place the NH really is going to shine is in doing L5's. Yes I have flown the gank versions of all of these ships and kept track of my mission times. Please don't try to compare not gank versions because that just doesn't do each ship justice. fixed that for you Make the Beership a reality!
GGjita	Posted - 2009.11.24 17:57:00 - [14] No you really didn't fix that, there have been more than a good number of threads that prove the Tengu is inferior to the CNR, sure it can compete against kin weak enemies, but loses horribly against anything else.
Noemi Nagano	Posted - 2009.11.26 08:55:00 - [15] I agree about the Tengus fixation on kinetic-weak enemies. But against them the Tengu can outperform a CNR, for example vs Serpentis having a tank strong enough for l5 (Operation Wyrmsbane) and still comparable killspeed to a full gank CNR.
N Ano Caldari SoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.26 09:24:00 - [16] Originally by: GGjita No you really didn't fix that, there have been more than a good number of threads that prove the Tengu is inferior to the CNR, sure it can compete against kin weak enemies, but loses horribly against anything else. when facing sanshas just load em missiles and youll be doing just fine Make the Beership a reality!
GGjita	Posted - 2009.11.26 09:42:00 - [17] Originally by: N Ano Originally by: GGjita No you really didn't fix that, there have been more than a good number of threads that prove the Tengu is inferior to the CNR, sure it can compete against kin weak enemies, but loses horribly against anything else. when facing sanshas just load em missiles and youll be doing just fine Sure the Tengu when using EM ammo is going to do just fine against sansha but it won't hold a candle to a CNR which is why the CNR is the better L4 ship.
N Ano Caldari SoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.26 11:04:00 - [18] That is very irrelevant If you do missions in Gallente/Caldari space though Make the Beership a reality!
Patri Andari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2009.11.26 16:38:00 - [19] Originally by: GGjita I would have to say that the progression of ships with full gank setups looks more like: Golem > CNR > Tengu > Raven = NH Golem easily wins 3x rigor, 1 tp, 4 BCU CNR is going to crush a NH or Tengu, those that say the NH is better than the CNR have never flown an actual gank CNR and just don't know better. Tengu is going to out preform the NH due to it's shear advantage in DPS, bigger effective tank, and speed Sadly NH really is not that great a mission ship when it comes to the rest of the caldari L4 mission ships. Only thing it really beats is the drake, cause the raven flown with a rigor + 4 BCU setup is going to have almost identical mission times. Only place the NH really is going to shine is in doing L5's. Yes I have flown the gank versions of all of these ships and kept track of my mission times. Please don't try to compare not gank versions because that just doesn't do each ship justice. Please post the setups for a CNR & Raven with 4 BCU and rigor. Thanks. Patri A fool usually thinks he is a genius
GGjita	Posted - 2009.11.26 18:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Patri Andari Please post the setups for a CNR & Raven with 4 BCU and rigor. Thanks. Havn't messed with the Raven much (never flown one in missions, only pvp) but here are 2 CNR fits one is pretty cheap and what i think most CNR pilots are prolly flying, the other is far more expensive but has a better tank and packs a little more punch: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/31168-Raven-Navy-Issue-Minimum-CNR-L4-setup.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/23851-Raven-Navy-Issue-Proper-CNR-mission-fit.html Originally by: N Ano That is very irrelevant If you do missions in Gallente/Caldari space though While you can say that the CNR = Tengu in the Kinetic weak missions such as the majority in those two areas of space, the simple fact that the Tengu loses in other areas of space means it has drawbacks that the CNR doesn't. I have a tengu and use it, it is a very good ship when used right, but the claim that it is better than the CNR is ludicrous because of the drawbacks it has. Sure if you mission in gallente space it will be just fine there but at the same time working in gallente space already means you are taking a hit in the isk/hr compaired to other places, and if you salvage then you are taking a bigger hit.



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