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Zarkary The Hand of Maak	Posted - 2009.11.22 23:06:00 - [1] A mistake was made, a dire one. Whilst selling a slew of loot from a mission a group of slaves was sold by me to a one Merdaneth. Clearly I wasn't paying attention. If I had been honestly trying to trade slaves I would have put up a buy order worth much more than a measly 24K ISK. http://img26.imageshack.us/i/25517514.jpg/ I am now deep in debt from freeing slaves in the Heimatar, Molden Heath and Metropolis regions tirelessly for the past few days. Signed, Zarkary
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.22 23:16:00 - [2] selling slaves to Merdaneth is against the ideology of the free Matari people. You have made an error, but at least are man enough to admit it, unlike Garst Tyrell. This act was insufferable in the cause of Minmatar freedom and you have much work to do to make up for this clerical over sight. I suggest buys a large number of slaves from the Empire and taking them to the Republic. Further I would suggest fireing which ever non-pod administrator allowed that to take place on a Republic Station. I would also point out that Merdaneth violated the precepts of PIE by slaving in the Republic. I expect some sort of response from PIE on Merdaneth's behavior...oh wait they haven't even called down their golden pirate yet. well maybe since Merdaneth is actually [i]in[i/] PIE they will be moved to denounce taking slaves in The Republic?
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.11.22 23:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss selling slaves to Merdaneth is against the ideology of the free Matari people. You have made an error, but at least are man enough to admit it, unlike Garst Tyrell. This act was insufferable in the cause of Minmatar freedom and you have much work to do to make up for this clerical over sight. I suggest buying a large number of slaves from the Empire and taking them to the Republic. Further I would suggest fireing which ever non-pod administrator allowed that to take place on a Republic Station. I would also point out that Merdaneth violated the precepts of PIE by slaving in the Republic. I expect some sort of response from PIE on Merdaneth's behavior...oh wait they haven't even called down their golden pirate yet. well maybe since Merdaneth is actually [i]in[i/] PIE they will be moved to denounce taking slaves in The Republic? There's a couple issues with this logic. One, Imperial law does not forbid slaving as a whole in the Republic. CONCORD law (Which the Empire follows) forbids the taking of new slaves within the Republic, and the buying of slaves which are known to be of an illegal nature. Merdaneth set up a buy order for slaves, he is not responsible for whether they were illegally taken or whether they were legal slaves taken from legitimate owners or traders. However... Merdaneth has decided to use his resources to do thorough background checks on all of the slaves - a process that will take quite some time - and determine the legality of their enslavement. The illegal slaves he has said he will set free, the legal ones he will do with as he pleases, those slaves being his property. Legally there have been no crimes committed by Merdaneth, who has actually gone above and beyond his legal duty to correct any slavery-related crimes committed. Finally, no one has given any evidence that Quebec Power are neutral or supporting the FDU/TLF cause, so we do not yet know if Mr. Tyrell committed any acts of piracy. This case was much more simple: Proof was provided that the accused sold slaves, selling slaves regardless of context is against Freedom Fighter principles, end of case. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.23 02:18:00 - [4] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/11/2009 02:18:04 Originally by: Zarkary A mistake was made, a dire one. Whilst selling a slew of loot from a mission a group of slaves was sold by me to a one Merdaneth. Clearly I wasn't paying attention. If I had been honestly trying to trade slaves I would have put up a buy order worth much more than a measly 24K ISK. http://img26.imageshack.us/i/25517514.jpg/ I am now deep in debt from freeing slaves in the Heimatar, Molden Heath and Metropolis regions tirelessly for the past few days. A terrible mistake but admitting it and apologising and setting matters to right means everything. You have had the courage to take responsibility for your actions and I applaud you for that. Fight well Zarkary and I'll be happy to see you in space as an ally. Now let us see if PIE Inc. will take your example and admit their error in maintaining friendly and allied status with Garst Tyrell and No.Mercy over the issue of their wardeccing and ransoming neutral industrial alliances for "booty and profit." I think many people are interested in what happens next. True Knowledge
Inara Subaka Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.11.23 03:52:00 - [5] Inara is shown sitting at her office aboard an obviously Caldari vessel listening to the recording of Ms. Constantine. Originally by: Jade Constantine A terrible mistake but admitting it and apologising and setting matters to right means everything. She reaches over and taps her screen, replaying the message. Originally by: Jade Constantine A terrible mistake but admitting it and apologising and setting matters to right means everything. She looks like she's going to say something a few times, before shaking her head at a bit of a loss. I really don't know how to respond to someone who thinks that an apology makes everything better.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.23 05:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Inara Subaka Inara is shown sitting at her office aboard an obviously Caldari vessel listening to the recording of Ms. Constantine. Originally by: Jade Constantine A terrible mistake but admitting it and apologising and setting matters to right means everything. She reaches over and taps her screen, replaying the message. Originally by: Jade Constantine A terrible mistake but admitting it and apologising and setting matters to right means everything. She looks like she's going to say something a few times, before shaking her head at a bit of a loss. I really don't know how to respond to someone who thinks that an apology makes everything better. Bolded emphasis mine. I don't know how to respond to someone who quotes a passage twice and then ignores half of it. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.23 05:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/11/2009 05:14:16 Originally by: Inara Subaka She looks like she's going to say something a few times, before shaking her head at a bit of a loss. I really don't know how to respond to someone who thinks that an apology makes everything better. Why do you imagine I invited a response from you? What have you got to do with this business in the first place? I made a response to the original poster of this topic and that was my purpose. What you think on the issue is neither here nor there really. But if I should start caring about what Ghost Festival think about anything of note I'll be sure to send you a memo. Good day to you. True Knowledge
Inara Subaka Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.11.23 05:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Havohej Bolded emphasis mine. I don't know how to respond to someone who quotes a passage twice and then ignores half of it. Because buying dozens of others out of slavery sets matters right? It is a separate issue altogether, and in no way makes restitution for what he and his call 'immoral' or 'wrong'; in fact, it is something that he and his probably consider their duty if I'm not mistaken. All he has done in this situation is admit to what he'd done, and apologize.
Goshien Aiel Aliastra	Posted - 2009.11.23 05:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/11/2009 05:16:28 Why do you imagine I invited a response from you? By speaking in a public forum you invite a response from anyone whether you want it or not. Kind of like I'm doing now. As for as the sale goes, seems to have gone off without repercussion from any authority, save the seller's conscience, one can infer it's either legal, or that the authorities don't care.
Inara Subaka Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.11.23 06:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Goshien Aiel Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/11/2009 05:16:28 Why do you imagine I invited a response from you? By speaking in a public forum you invite a response from anyone whether you want it or not. Kind of like I'm doing now. As for as the sale goes, seems to have gone off without repercussion from any authority, save the seller's conscience, one can infer it's either legal, or that the authorities don't care. You're using logic... it's a dangerous thing. You've seen the old Feddie Holos right, 'great power... great responsibility' and nonsense, right?
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Independent Faction	Posted - 2009.11.23 08:03:00 - [11] Ms Subaka has a point. This was said, of another topic competely, but I think it is perhaps something Pilot Zarkary should read. Originally by: Eran Mintor Originally by: Verone You're a pack of damned idiots, bidding on this young woman in a ****-weak attempt to appear the humanitarian hero. The fact of the matter is that your bids at their current value may free her, but in the same swipe of your hand, you'll facilitate the slaver, at a rough check of the SCC Market in my local area in acquiring somewhere in the region of another fifteen thousand slaves at their most expensive asking price. Verone is right on point...when you boost the slave trade to this degree you've undone months of work against the slave trade. Regardless of how cheap you buy slaves, there will always be a boost to the slave traders demand and decrease in supply. I really can't think of what could be a more appropriate response to your choice of how to make up for your mistake Zarkary.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.11.23 08:17:00 - [12] Edited by: Eran Mintor on 23/11/2009 08:22:50 Originally by: Jakiin Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss selling slaves to Merdaneth is against the ideology of the free Matari people. You have made an error, but at least are man enough to admit it, unlike Garst Tyrell. This act was insufferable in the cause of Minmatar freedom and you have much work to do to make up for this clerical over sight. I suggest buying a large number of slaves from the Empire and taking them to the Republic. Further I would suggest firing which ever non-pod administrator allowed that to take place on a Republic Station. I would also point out that Merdaneth violated the precepts of PIE by slaving in the Republic. I expect some sort of response from PIE on Merdaneth's behavior...oh wait they haven't even called down their golden pirate yet. well maybe since Merdaneth is actually [i]in[i/] PIE they will be moved to denounce taking slaves in The Republic? There's a couple issues with this logic. One, Imperial law does not forbid slaving as a whole in the Republic. CONCORD law (Which the Empire follows) forbids the taking of new slaves within the Republic, and the buying of slaves which are known to be of an illegal nature. Merdaneth set up a buy order for slaves, he is not responsible for whether they were illegally taken or whether they were legal slaves taken from legitimate owners or traders. However... Merdaneth has decided to use his resources to do thorough background checks on all of the slaves - a process that will take quite some time - and determine the legality of their enslavement. The illegal slaves he has said he will set free, the legal ones he will do with as he pleases, those slaves being his property. Legally there have been no crimes committed by Merdaneth, who has actually gone above and beyond his legal duty to correct any slavery-related crimes committed. Finally, no one has given any evidence that Quebec Power are neutral or supporting the FDU/TLF cause, so we do not yet know if Mr. Tyrell committed any acts of piracy. This case was much more simple: Proof was provided that the accused sold slaves, selling slaves regardless of context is against Freedom Fighter principles, end of case. It is interesting that PIE has conducted an internal investigtion on the slave trade of the Republic slave traiders & raiders (who are mostly Caldari mercenaries and illegal Amarrian slave-raiders) in lieu of the investigation of the known pirates in the 24th Imperial Crusade and perhaps other heretics in the 24th Crusade. A wise PR move indeed; keep the spotlight off Garst and onto the Minmatar slave traders in the Republic. However, the proof that the "neutral" entity in question, "Quebec Power," was in-fact FDU/TLF affiliated would have to be provided by "No.Mercy" who were the aggressors, and not "Quebec Power" or anyone else. Indeed, this world is bound with hypocrites and fools yet these crimes against humanity occur everyday. Not only by Minmatar or Gallente, but Amarrians and Gallente. All are guilty in some sense and neither side seems to be doing much to stop it, but instead aim to wage a pointless PR battle/War; those with brains will see everyone involved as losing respect and honesty. This is a problem in difference of opinion on the path to take among freedom fighters who aim to achieve many of same goals. Some seek violence and negotiations: others seek to use their personal assets to slowly reduce the number of slaves in the Empire and free them themselves; viewpoints that clash and produce many divisions among freedom fighters. A tragedy. But if Allah wills it and freedom fighters calm their nerves, it can be done. What the Amarr do not realize is that the holding and use of slaves is no duty to god. The proper treatment and the proper enfranchisement of the more needy than yourselves is the only way to seek redemption via slavery. The release of slaves is the biggest repentance from sin but the Amarr continue to dig them self into a coffin of sin. ------------------------------------------------
Eran Mintor Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.11.23 08:56:00 - [13] QFT Originally by: Jakiin I would also point out that Merdaneth violated the precepts of PIE by slaving in the Republic. I expect some sort of response from PIE on Merdaneth's behavior...oh wait they haven't even called down their golden pirate yet. well maybe since Merdaneth is actually in[i/] PIE they will be moved to denounce taking slaves in The Republic? There's a couple issues with this logic. One, Imperial law does not forbid slaving as a whole in the Republic. CONCORD law (Which the Empire follows) forbids the taking of new slaves within the Republic, and the buying of slaves which are known to be of an illegal nature. Merdaneth set up a buy order for slaves, he is not responsible for whether they were illegally taken or whether they were legal slaves taken from legitimate owners or traders. However... Merdaneth has decided to use his resources to do thorough background checks on all of the slaves - a process that will take quite some time - and determine the legality of their enslavement. The illegal slaves he has said he will set free, the legal ones he will do with as he pleases, those slaves being his property. Legally there have been no crimes committed by Merdaneth, who has actually gone above and beyond his legal duty to correct any slavery-related crimes committed. principles, end of case. Something I forgot to address. There is nothing saying an Amarrian can't place a buy order for slaves in Republic space or any other region. The infraction of the law comes how you use them. If they are being freed then that is no problem (aside from the obvious boost to the slave-trade as a result of their purchase. This is a catch-22, but one of many ways to free as many of our people as possible without violence that results in many Minmatar casualties. Once the slave-raiders are destroyed, then we will see a steady decrease in the number of slaves in the Empire.) Originally by: Jakiin The illegal slaves he has said he will set free, the legal ones he will do with as he pleases, those slaves being his property. The [i]illegal slaves? I'm sorry, but regardless of if they were slaves who escaped from the Empire and fled to the Republic, you have no right to them. Once a slave has been liberated you have no right to them. Should you transport any slaves bought or captured from the Republic to the Empire you are infringing upon your own government and religious laws (It's not a CONCORD law, but an Amarrian edict if I remember correctly.). You would be labeled as a national criminal and in noncompliance with Empire edicts. I am willing to repurchase these slaves at the same cost you purchased them from; and you can rest assured they will be transported to a processing center in Rens or Dal with ample education and job abilities funded by myself and many other Minmatar loyalists. I am willing to take the well-being of these slaves as my own responsibility and will provide to their economical and educational teachings and, should they wish, adopt them as kin among the Bantu'Torus Thukker-clan. They will be set free as all slaves in the Minmatar controlled-spaces deserve. Merandeth, you are foul hearted bastard. Never-the-less, your clever plan proved to be a very good bargaining chip and you have proven to be wise. I only wish you were smart enough to realize your age-old practices and disregard for human life will lead your to your damnation. Repent. ------------------------------------------------
Bomberlocks Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.23 09:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Inara Subaka .. I really don't know how to respond to someone who thinks that an apology makes everything better. It certainly doesn't always, you are absolutely correct, but given the lack of intent and the will to recompense, I think that in this case it could be deemed acceptable. You may be of another opinion, of course.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.11.23 11:28:00 - [15] You blame the sale on a clerical error? Well, your only possible recompense it to dedicate yourself to the recovery of those people from the slavers. Put aside all other missions until this is achieved. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Cinaeye	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:27:00 - [16] Edited by: Cinaeye on 23/11/2009 13:27:32
Zarkary The Hand of Maak	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:34:00 - [17] Edited by: Zarkary on 23/11/2009 13:34:59 I appreciate the repsonses, critical and supportive. I've scoured the Minmatar regions in search of those particular 81 slaves I sold to no avail; I will take some of the advice here and begin a search and rescue in Empire space. Perhaps there is an agent someone could put me in touch with that could lead me to slaves deserving freedom... I will not rest until my concious is clear. Signed, Zarkary
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Zarkary ...I've scoured the Minmatar regions in search of those particular 81 slaves I sold to no avail; I will take some of the advice here and begin a search and rescue in Empire space. Perhaps there is an agent someone could put me in touch with that could lead me to slaves deserving freedom... They're closer than you think: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1216034&page=2#50 --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:15:00 - [19] I find it good to see your apology mr. Zarkary. The ability to see and admit mistakes, to repent, is one of the requirements to embark upon the path to God and true faith. As for 'setting things right' as ms. Constantine indicates, how does one set one right such a thing? Apparently you think that if you free enough other slaves your mistake will be undone or compensated for? Is this true? How many slaves would one need to free to compensate for a 81 sold? How many for a thousand, for ten thousand? How much would you offer me to correct your own mistake? Because these 81 people you sold are at my mercy. Would you give up your career as a freedom fighter to have these people released? How truly penitent are you? Fortunately for your conscience mr. Zarkary, I will release the slaves myself. You don't have to torment yourself with nightmares about the 8-year old Alicia you sold to an Angel brothel dying ten years from now due to venerial diseases and drug abuse. Fortunately for you I am a benificient man and you don't have to do anything. Perhaps just a small 'thank you'? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Zarkary The Hand of Maak	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:26:00 - [20] What will compensate for my mistake? I suppose I can ask those 81 when I greet them as free humans. Considering they were the ones whose rights were violated and the Republic shows no sign of holding me liable, I shall leave it up to those 81 to decide the worth and course of justice. It is good of you to free them, Merdaneth. I thank you, I am certain those 81 thank you, also. While a great weight has been lifted from me, I believe there is still much to be done. I move foward with a renewed purpose and motivation. Signed, Zarkary
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Eran Mintor The illegal slaves? I'm sorry, but regardless of if they were slaves who escaped from the Empire and fled to the Republic, you have no right to them. Once a slave has been liberated you have no right to them. Should you transport any slaves bought or captured from the Republic to the Empire you are infringing upon your own government and religious laws (It's not a CONCORD law, but an Amarrian edict if I remember correctly.). You would be labeled as a national criminal and in noncompliance with Empire edicts. Stolen property is simply that mr. Mintor. Just because the property is stolen inside the Republic does not cancel the theft. Indeed, I cannot rely on Republic authorities to help me recover the stolen property or have the thief punished, but the legal ownership remains. The slave crew aboard my battleship remain my property even in Republic space. The slave crew will remain my property even if they set foot on an Amarrian station in Republic space. The slave crew will remain my property if some Angel smuggler steals them from that station. During my conversations with one of the many people that sold me slaves, the Matari seller in question indicated that he recovered those slaves while doing missions for an Amarr agency in Republic space. These slaves were stolen from the Amarr by Angel raiders and have now been re-appropriated by myself. I am looking at ways to legally transport them back to the Empire, but giving them crew positions aboard one of my vessels seems to be a legal alternative. I do try to research each individual case as thoroughly as possible, but there are certainly cases where the slaves will remain Empire property even though the Republic offers me no legal recourse to exercise my rights as owner due to local laws. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Sinjin Mokk Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.11.23 15:32:00 - [22] Once again I must caution all of you to take anything spouted by members of the Star Fraction with a grain of salt. They are a pirate organization that has no real care for the Republic or it's citizens. As for your "error" Mr. Zarkary, maybe you should try your hand as something more profitable? Infidel defilers. They will all drown in lakes of blood. Now they will understand why they are afraid of the dark. Now they will learn why they fear the night.
Zarkary The Hand of Maak	Posted - 2009.11.23 15:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Sinjin Mokk Once again I must caution all of you to take anything spouted by members of the Star Fraction with a grain of salt. They are a pirate organization that has no real care for the Republic or it's citizens. As for your "error" Mr. Zarkary, maybe you should try your hand as something more profitable? I see what you did there. You put the word error in quotes to imply that it wasn't a mistake, then dragged the implication further with your suggestion. Clever. You Amarrians, you're more annoying than you look. Signed, Zarkary
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Eran Mintor There is nothing saying an Amarrian can't place a buy order for slaves in Republic space or any other region. The infraction of the law comes how you use them. If they are being freed then that is no problem (aside from the obvious boost to the slave-trade as a result of their purchase. This is a catch-22, but one of many ways to free as many of our people as possible without violence that results in many Minmatar casualties. Once the slave-raiders are destroyed, then we will see a steady decrease in the number of slaves in the Empire.) I was referring to those who claimed Merdaneth had committed some sort of crime, he had not. Quote: The illegal slaves? I'm sorry, but regardless of if they were slaves who escaped from the Empire and fled to the Republic, you have no right to them. Once a slave has been liberated you have no right to them. Should you transport any slaves bought or captured from the Republic to the Empire you are infringing upon your own government and religious laws (It's not a CONCORD law, but an Amarrian edict if I remember correctly.). You would be labeled as a national criminal and in noncompliance with Empire edicts. Fun fact: If someone is being bought or sold by someone else without that person's permission, that person is still a slave. Now were these 'freed slaves' rather than 'slaves' then yes there would be legal issues, but as all were put on the market simply as slaves they were never liberated. The sellers may have claimed to be liberating the slaves, but slaves they remained. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
MidasMulligan	Posted - 2009.11.23 22:01:00 - [25] I have discussed the matter more detail in Merandeth's original thread, but I will add here as well that, as Zarkary's CEO, I am ultimately responsible for his actions. His error reflects poorly on us all and I feel we are no longer fit to represent the interests of the Matari at present. The Hand of Maak is closing, and its members will continue the fight for freedom in their own way, however they can.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.11.24 07:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Jakiin Fun fact: If someone is being bought or sold by someone else without that person's permission, that person is still a slave. Now were these 'freed slaves' rather than 'slaves' then yes there would be legal issues, but as all were put on the market simply as slaves they were never liberated. The sellers may have claimed to be liberating the slaves, but slaves they remained. False. There is no distinction between an escaped slave nor a freed one in the CONCORD databases. This brings the question; "What is required for a slave to be determined free?" Amarrians would say that it is their own right to declare such things. Holders and the Emperor/Empress are the only ones with the authority to grant freedom. The Minmatar claim it is their duty to seek the liberation of all slaves; therefore it is their right. So now you see where the conflict lies. Regardless of where these slaves were captured or who they previously belonged to, their ownership has changed hands numerous times. The assumption that you would actually be able to maintain a proper paper-trail on slaves received from the Cartel is tickling me silly...there is no way you can accurately judge where these slaves came from or who "owned" them originally. With that point aside, should you choose to ignore it, there is still a huge problem here. Originally by: Merdaneth Stolen property is simply that mr. Mintor. Just because the property is stolen inside the Republic does not cancel the theft. Indeed, I cannot rely on Republic authorities to help me recover the stolen property or have the thief punished, but the legal ownership remains. The slave crew aboard my battleship remain my property even in Republic space. The slave crew will remain my property even if they set foot on an Amarrian station in Republic space. The slave crew will remain my property if some Angel smuggler steals them from that station. Stolen property is simply that. But once these people, or what you prefer to call "stolen property", pass into Republic space they are no longer your property; they are humans. Minmatar do not give a damn about the slavers contracts. This ownership is invalidated under Minmatar law; Minmatar law usurps Amarrian law in our realm. Any slave that passes into Minmatar space is a free-man unless you have the personal means to forcefully keep them in thralldom. You have no right to these people. Your ill attempts to taint and twist your religious laws and edicts will not squeeze you out of this hypocrisy. Amarrian law has no reign in the Republic. Originally by: Merdaneth These slaves were stolen from the Amarr by Angel raiders and have now been re-appropriated by myself. What proof do you have that the Angels stole these slaves from the Amarr, and did not in fact acquire them personally? If I'm not mistaken, it seems you are trying to squash your biggest competitor for the illegal slave-trade within Minmatar space. You illegally (under Minmatar law, where you bought the slaves) acquired slaves in the Minmatar Republic that were already stolen (read: also illegally obtained) from other slave-traders who are notorious for also illegally acquiring their slaves...and where is your base of ownership? So if this is a typical practice of Pilot Merdaneth, one would assume that most of his slave population is actually acquired illegally. The loop-holes in which you clever Amarrians use to renew your declining supply of slaves is becoming clear. Oh, the irony makes my cheeks sore. Aside from the hypocrisy of Merdaneth, it does strike a bad nerve when I hear that the SCC facilitates orders in a trade that is deemed unlawful in Minmatar space. Wouldn't this make the SCC an accessory to all the illegal slave-traders within the Republic? Perhaps it's not CONCORD's duty to enforce laws within the four Empires, but they should at least abide by them instead of allowing criminals to flourish under the corrupt watch of the CONCORD dogs. ------------------------------------------------
Geonin Amarr No.Mercy	Posted - 2009.11.24 22:09:00 - [27] There should be a public investigation as to the root cause of this slave sale. Also do you have anymore?
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.11.25 04:58:00 - [28] I free the slaves picked up in missions. From me they get their own little container to float around in. I wish them luck.
Atormeleon Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.11.25 08:33:00 - [29] This discussion has been focusing a lot on the act of selling and buying slaves. However, many pilots don't know what to do if their employer suddenly rewards them with a group of enslaved people who need regular shots of antidote to stay alive. If you lack the capabilities to sustain the injections, they'll be dead or severely injured. So you have two alternatives, to give them freedom or to let them live. Those who are in favor of the latter option, may also think that it's better to resort to professionals rather than endanger the people in their custody. I'm not a mind-reader, but this kind of reasoning might explain some of these recent, much-debated transactions which are very much against the general spirit among the Minmatar pilots.
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.11.25 08:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Atormeleon This discussion has been focusing a lot on the act of selling and buying slaves. However, many pilots don't know what to do if their employer suddenly rewards them with a group of enslaved people who need regular shots of antidote to stay alive. If you lack the capabilities to sustain the injections, they'll be dead or severely injured. So you have two alternatives, to give them freedom or to let them live. Those who are in favor of the latter option, may also think that it's better to resort to professionals rather than endanger the people in their custody. I'm not a mind-reader, but this kind of reasoning might explain some of these recent, much-debated transactions which are very much against the general spirit among the Minmatar pilots. I'm... I'm at a bit of a loss here. I mean, that makes sense, but what I'm wondering is... Which Matari agent is rewarding their people with slaves? Vitoc-dependent slaves, no less. I mean... I've never been rewarded any Freedom Fighters. Unless you count the fighters I've picked up and given license to, but I usually just go the old "Eject cargo container beside sun" route, or sometimes sell them into slavery. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'

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