1) rockets do not weigh less (from that info) they take up less space.

2) dogtags are rather large methinks.

So... 80 rockets can fit in the same space as 5 dog tags...

Spaceships!

Cubic metres are a measurement of volume, not weight.

And a single implant is way bigger than the human head.

Obviously rockets have been engineered to such a level that they are tiny now (like iron mans shoulder rocket things)... duh.

You think this game has inaccuracies? 310,000 men of mine just retreated from 10,000 German militia in Hearts of Iron 3...

And a single implant is way bigger than the human head.

Obviously rockets have been engineered to such a level that they are tiny now (like iron mans shoulder rocket things)... duh.

Well, yeahGǪ have you seen the size of those lowsec pirate GǣdogtagsGǥ?

The insignias I have are faction navy insignias. Are you saying the faction navies carry some bling of their own?

Rockets are two meters long. Just search one and click the portrait and it'll show you a 3D interactive representation of the rocket while also telling you it's two meters long.

The volume of twenty (20) rockets is 0.1 m3.

The volume of one (1) insignia is 0.1 m3.

Are the rockets the size of an ant or something?

Also, rockets are two (2) meters long.

This is ruining my immersion.

1) rockets do not weigh less (from that info) they take up less space.

2) dogtags are rather large methinks.

3500mm artillery rounds take up 0.125m3 volume. I can only assume that at 3500mm in diameter, they must be no more than 50mm long.

So... 100 rockets can fit in the same space as 5 dog tags...

Spaceships!

Corpses weight 200kg = 452 lbs!

Dam that is one obese dead guy.

The volume of twenty (20) rockets is 0.1 m3.

The volume of one (1) insignia is 0.1 m3.

Are the rockets the size of an ant or something?

Also, rockets are two (2) meters long.

Imagine what would happen if ammunition took up the space that you'd expect it to. Rather than a 0.05m long round for your 3500mm artillery, what if that round was actually 8m long. No longer would you be able to haul hundreds of thousands of them in a freighter. Each shell is 77m3 or so, limiting your freighter to carrying 10,000 rounds.

A fleet on the move would require a caravan of freighters following it around carrying replacement ammunition. The rate of advance of your battlefront would be restricted by logistics. An inordinate amount of time in a war would be consumed in simply moving stuff around. Having a mining fleet near the battlefront would become a serious consideration. Nullsec alliances might end up in the situation of wanting to recruit industrial corporations specifically for the purpose of keeping the supply chain up and running. Keep that conveyer belt running, carrying ammunition to the front line as fast as the fleet of dreadnoughts and battleships is chewing it up.

There might even be the possibility for specialist freighters or carriers, designed specifically to store large volumes of ammunition in close proximity to the actual combat. Someone needs more ammo? Tender warps to them, loads up their ammo bay, then scuttles off to the safe spot.

Sounds nice to me.

Even better, there would be no need to provide game-mechanic bonuses to industry in null sec, since the bonus of having industry in null sec close to the point of consumption is all the benefit you need.

Horribly inconvenient, and a MASSIVE buff to Amarr ships and Carriers, but it would be a spectacular sight.

Only a buff if T1 crystals remain indestructible and small :)

There should be no indestructible goods in the game: laser crystals, clothes, anything.

Imagine what would happen if ammunition took up the space that you'd expect it to. Rather than a 0.05m long round for your 3500mm artillery, what if that round was actually 8m long. No longer would you be able to haul hundreds of thousands of them in a freighter. Each shell is 77m3 or so, limiting your freighter to carrying 10,000 rounds.

A fleet on the move would require a caravan of freighters following it around carrying replacement ammunition. The rate of advance of your battlefront would be restricted by logistics. An inordinate amount of time in a war would be consumed in simply moving stuff around. Having a mining fleet near the battlefront would become a serious consideration. Nullsec alliances might end up in the situation of wanting to recruit industrial corporations specifically for the purpose of keeping the supply chain up and running. Keep that conveyer belt running, carrying ammunition to the front line as fast as the fleet of dreadnoughts and battleships is chewing it up.

There might even be the possibility for specialist freighters or carriers, designed specifically to store large volumes of ammunition in close proximity to the actual combat. Someone needs more ammo? Tender warps to them, loads up their ammo bay, then scuttles off to the safe spot.

Sounds nice to me.

Even better, there would be no need to provide game-mechanic bonuses to industry in null sec, since the bonus of having industry in null sec close to the point of consumption is all the benefit you need.

Imagine what would happen if ammunition took up the space that you'd expect it to. Rather than a 0.05m long round for your 3500mm artillery, what if that round was actually 8m long. No longer would you be able to haul hundreds of thousands of them in a freighter. Each shell is 77m3 or so, limiting your freighter to carrying 10,000 rounds.

A fleet on the move would require a caravan of freighters following it around carrying replacement ammunition. The rate of advance of your battlefront would be restricted by logistics. An inordinate amount of time in a war would be consumed in simply moving stuff around. Having a mining fleet near the battlefront would become a serious consideration. Nullsec alliances might end up in the situation of wanting to recruit industrial corporations specifically for the purpose of keeping the supply chain up and running. Keep that conveyer belt running, carrying ammunition to the front line as fast as the fleet of dreadnoughts and battleships is chewing it up.

There might even be the possibility for specialist freighters or carriers, designed specifically to store large volumes of ammunition in close proximity to the actual combat. Someone needs more ammo? Tender warps to them, loads up their ammo bay, then scuttles off to the safe spot.

Sounds nice to me.

Even better, there would be no need to provide game-mechanic bonuses to industry in null sec, since the bonus of having industry in null sec close to the point of consumption is all the benefit you need.

What if the ship cargoholds were realistic as well? If a mere 10% of the volume of a freighter was viable storage space, a Charon would be able to hold more like 785 MILLION cubic meters of cargo. Then it could carry 10,000,000 rounds of artillery ammo. Also, artillery ammo should be larger than autocannon ammo--they should be separate ammo types. Capital artillery should be pretty slow-firing, so I'd imagine a freighter-full of the stuff could supply an entire fleet of Naglfars for multiple POS sieges, maybe even several weeks of successive sieging.

[edit] furthermore, I have trouble believing that a quad 3500mm artillery cannon can reload and fire again in only 35 seconds. And wouldn't it use 4 rounds per shot?

A Charon masses 1.2 billion kg. That's 400 times the mass of a Saturn V. Assuming a similar proportion applies to payload

In EVE, the ships have vastly more powerful propulsion systems, so they can get the energy to propel a freighter with only a fraction of its volume dedicated to engines and fuel. This is why the ship doesn't look like a giant fuel tank with engines strapped to it. So, my point still applies. If it didn't, EVE would be all about GETTING into warp, and building a space empire would be a pipe dream.

Of Course, EvE's ships are different, but it's fun to think about just how different. They slow down when you turn the engine off. Their cargo is limited by volume, not mass (as if strapping stuff to the roof of a freighter would harm its space-worthiness). The're stupendously efficient in their mass:payload ratio.

They should redo the whole concept of ammo. Ammo should have its dedicated holding space unrelated to normal cargo and perhaps any extra might fit into specialized cartridges, which occupy a certain space full or not.

I always wondered how sufficient armor to cover a Titan in 1600mm of plate fits into a 50 cu m package.

They should redo the whole concept of ammo. Ammo should have its dedicated holding space unrelated to normal cargo and perhaps any extra might fit into specialized cartridges, which occupy a certain space full or not.

Female corpses weight 200kg go figure...

Whaaaaat????


You just broke the myth of space barbies...I'm sad now

Obviously tags from exploded ships are highly radioactive and must be stored in individual containment units.

I always wondered how sufficient armor to cover a Titan in 1600mm of plate fits into a 50 cu m package.

Nanites.

I always wondered how sufficient armor to cover a Titan in 1600mm of plate fits into a 50 cu m package.

Imagine what would happen if ammunition took up the space that you'd expect it to. Rather than a 0.05m long round for your 3500mm artillery, what if that round was actually 8m long. No longer would you be able to haul hundreds of thousands of them in a freighter. Each shell is 77m3 or so, limiting your freighter to carrying 10,000 rounds.

A fleet on the move would require a caravan of freighters following it around carrying replacement ammunition. The rate of advance of your battlefront would be restricted by logistics. An inordinate amount of time in a war would be consumed in simply moving stuff around. Having a mining fleet near the battlefront would become a serious consideration. Nullsec alliances might end up in the situation of wanting to recruit industrial corporations specifically for the purpose of keeping the supply chain up and running. Keep that conveyer belt running, carrying ammunition to the front line as fast as the fleet of dreadnoughts and battleships is chewing it up.

There might even be the possibility for specialist freighters or carriers, designed specifically to store large volumes of ammunition in close proximity to the actual combat. Someone needs more ammo? Tender warps to them, loads up their ammo bay, then scuttles off to the safe spot.

Sounds nice to me.

Even better, there would be no need to provide game-mechanic bonuses to industry in null sec, since the bonus of having industry in null sec close to the point of consumption is all the benefit you need.

I read this and was like...yeah thats a game I'd like to play.

Everybody would use lasers, I suspect.

On a more serious note: It sounds intriguing, having logistics playing a large role :)

Simple sollution, have ALL laser ammo damage themselves per usage, just like T2 laser ammo.

Female corpses weight 200kg go figure...

Those dog tags are probably made of Great Danes or something...

Those dog tags are probably made of Great Danes or something...

Obviously tags from exploded ships are highly radioactive and must be stored in individual containment units.