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Navillus 5	Posted - 2009.11.23 08:56:00 - [1] Do grav sites appear in all worm hole spaces (Unknown) or are some excluded? Im in a POS we set up and have been in this worm hole for 3 days. Its a LvL 1. So far no belts...
Avalon Champion Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency	Posted - 2009.11.23 09:45:00 - [2] Its random, theres no guarantee that a belt will appear within a given timeframe. if i remember correctly the wormhole class also has a bearing on the spawn frequency. I've was in a class 2 and Grav sights didnt spawn for between 1 and 2 weeks. Be patient or scan down another WH and check it out for gravs.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.23 15:07:00 - [3] I wouldn't expect to mine much in a C1. The mass limit is just too low (can't even get a Hulk in), and they don't usually have the high-end ores. You are much better off in a C2 or C3. The only reason to setup in a C1 is for a research POS, and even then I would still recommend a C2 or C3 for that.
Navillus 5	Posted - 2009.11.23 16:00:00 - [4] Well this is our first POS and im running a small caldari tower. I was avoiding class 2 so battle ships wont bother us.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.11.23 16:04:00 - [5] I've seen Arkonor, Bistot, and Crokite in grav sites in a Class 1 wormhole back when we started. There was no Mercoxit (haven't seen that until Class 3), but the wormhole mass limit is the killer. You can brink a Hulk in, if you package it inside a hauler, but you won't be able to get it back out again. Wormholes to Class 1 systems won't let any ship over 20 million kilos through the hole; a Hulk is 40 million. A packaged Hulk only takes up something like 3750 m3 of space in the hold of an industrial, though. If you could repackage ships and modules at a POS you could get it in and out that way, but as it stands you'll have to leave it behind or stay in the hole. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Navillus 5	Posted - 2009.11.23 16:22:00 - [6] any one know if itty mark 4 or five will fit in class one? Im about to get mark 4 and working on 5, reason i hate making so many trips to set up the POS and plus after a few trips the hole closes and I have to make alot of jumps to finish it. I want to set it up in one load.
Jojo Jackson	Posted - 2009.11.23 16:29:00 - [7] First: all WHs do have the same changs of spawns. So it's bad luck OR somethink more complicate which I exlain later. Second: the ore-types are more or less the same for all class of WHs with two exceptions. Arkonor and the best one (forgot name). They just alter in volume (class 1 = 1000 to 5000 units Arkonor, class 6 = 20000+ units in one or several roids). Duno if there are belts without Arkonor in class 1 but I'd say no. They might have just small unit counts. For spawns: You WH is clustered with other WHs like constelations in highsec. Let's they your cluser has 5 WHs. This 5 WHs share a (fix) amount of posible spawns. If you clean your WH this spawn will pop at one of the other 4 WHs of your cluster. If now nobody farms this other 4 WHs, this spawn will be untouched for about 5 days until it disapear and pop somewhere else. If you are lucky, this spawn pops again in your WH. If you are unlucky it will jump between the other 4 WHs of your cluster and you will not see it again for a loooong time. Duno if there is any information, which WHs are in one cluster but best bet is to check the connections of you WH and activate the spawns you find there so they despawn faster (and maybe respawn in your WH).
Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.11.23 17:18:00 - [8] If your wormhole is in a constellation with other class 1 wormholes that have static links only to low or null sec then they will hardly ever be visited and thus will tend to accumulate all the constellation's sites. No-one will run the grav sites, in particular, because you can't get the ore or a decent mining vessel out. For example I was in J222206 last night, a class 1 accessible from low sec and it had 8 grav sites in it including a core.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.23 18:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Navillus 5 any one know if itty mark 4 or five will fit in class one? Im about to get mark 4 and working on 5, reason i hate making so many trips to set up the POS and plus after a few trips the hole closes and I have to make alot of jumps to finish it. I want to set it up in one load. All industrials and Deep Space Transports fit. C1 have a mass limit of 20 million.
CSI Eve Caldari atomic comic	Posted - 2009.11.23 18:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Jojo Jackson First: all WHs do have the same changs of spawns. So it's bad luck OR somethink more complicate which I exlain later. Second: the ore-types are more or less the same for all class of WHs with two exceptions. Arkonor and the best one (forgot name). They just alter in volume (class 1 = 1000 to 5000 units Arkonor, class 6 = 20000+ units in one or several roids). Duno if there are belts without Arkonor in class 1 but I'd say no. They might have just small unit counts. For spawns: You WH is clustered with other WHs like constelations in highsec. Let's they your cluser has 5 WHs. This 5 WHs share a (fix) amount of posible spawns. If you clean your WH this spawn will pop at one of the other 4 WHs of your cluster. If now nobody farms this other 4 WHs, this spawn will be untouched for about 5 days until it disapear and pop somewhere else. If you are lucky, this spawn pops again in your WH. If you are unlucky it will jump between the other 4 WHs of your cluster and you will not see it again for a loooong time. Duno if there is any information, which WHs are in one cluster but best bet is to check the connections of you WH and activate the spawns you find there so they despawn faster (and maybe respawn in your WH). can you back this up?

Fitz VonHeise Eye Bee Em	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Jojo Jackson For spawns: You WH is clustered with other WHs like constelations in highsec. Let's they your cluser has 5 WHs. This 5 WHs share a (fix) amount of posible spawns. If you clean your WH this spawn will pop at one of the other 4 WHs of your cluster. If now nobody farms this other 4 WHs, this spawn will be untouched for about 5 days until it disapear and pop somewhere else. If you are lucky, this spawn pops again in your WH. If you are unlucky it will jump between the other 4 WHs of your cluster and you will not see it again for a loooong time. Duno if there is any information, which WHs are in one cluster but best bet is to check the connections of you WH and activate the spawns you find there so they despawn faster (and maybe respawn in your WH). This sounds reasonable.... but where did you find the information?
Korliko	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Jojo Jackson Second: the ore-types are more or less the same for all class of WHs with two exceptions. Arkonor and the best one (forgot name). They just alter in volume (class 1 = 1000 to 5000 units Arkonor, class 6 = 20000+ units in one or several roids). Duno if there are belts without Arkonor in class 1 but I'd say no. They might have just small unit counts. I had a POS in wormhole back when they first came out (C2 at least) and scanned down many Grav. sites over and over and none of them ever had any Arkonor. Don't know how much is changed since then. I left long time ago.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.23 23:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Korliko I had a POS in wormhole back when they first came out (C2 at least) and scanned down many Grav. sites over and over and none of them ever had any Arkonor. Don't know how much is changed since then. I left long time ago. I mined 5000 units of Arkonor from an "Ordinary" (don't recall if "Perimeter" or "Frontier") deposit in a class 2 two days ago. Longest rock to mine was easily Dark Ochre. I skipped Hedbergite Hemorphite Omber Pyroxores Jaspet and mined out all the rest. Only thing missing was Plagioclase and Mercoxit. I've never seen Mercoxit in C2 to date.
Aeon Storm Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.11.24 03:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Jojo Jackson For spawns: If now nobody farms this other 4 WHs, this spawn will be untouched for about 5 days until it disapear and pop somewhere else. If you are lucky, this spawn pops again in your WH. If you are unlucky it will jump between the other 4 WHs of your cluster and you will not see it again for a loooong time.... I am always amazed at how myths turn into fact, if someone repeats it enough. I encourage you to get on the test server now and again, rather than spread this dribble.
Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.11.24 08:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Korliko Originally by: Jojo Jackson Second: the ore-types are more or less the same for all class of WHs with two exceptions. Arkonor and the best one (forgot name). They just alter in volume (class 1 = 1000 to 5000 units Arkonor, class 6 = 20000+ units in one or several roids). Duno if there are belts without Arkonor in class 1 but I'd say no. They might have just small unit counts. I had a POS in wormhole back when they first came out (C2 at least) and scanned down many Grav. sites over and over and none of them ever had any Arkonor. Don't know how much is changed since then. I left long time ago. The grav sites were terrible when they first came out. CCP went back and majorly boosted them. For example when wormholes first came out a Common Perimeter Deposit would contain: 4 Plagioclase 6 Pyroxeres 5 Scordite 7 Veldspar Now it contains 1 Arkonor 1 Bistot 1 Crokite 1 Dark Ochre 1 Gneiss 1 Hedbergite 1 Jaspet 1 Kernite 1 Omber 3 Plagioclase 2 Pyroxeres 2 Scordite 1-2 Spodumain Numbers are from actual sites but there may be some randomness involved. I haven't recorded the actual ore volumes because mining in a wormhole doesn't appeal to me much but typically the asteroids are very substantial.
Jojo Jackson	Posted - 2009.11.24 23:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Aeon Storm Originally by: Jojo Jackson For spawns: If now nobody farms this other 4 WHs, this spawn will be untouched for about 5 days until it disapear and pop somewhere else. If you are lucky, this spawn pops again in your WH. If you are unlucky it will jump between the other 4 WHs of your cluster and you will not see it again for a loooong time.... I am always amazed at how myths turn into fact, if someone repeats it enough. I encourage you to get on the test server now and again, rather than spread this dribble. Hmm. Somehow I don't understand what you try to tell us. If my stuff is wrong, it would help, if you tell us the trueth. But just claiming "it's a myth" doesn't help (missing content you know). @Celia Therone, from our WH I'd say belts aren't fixed to number of roids but to the total unit-count. So you can find Arkonor as: - 1 roid with 5000 units - 2 roids with 2500 units - 4 roids with 1250 units and so on within one type of grav (they all have the same name and same total unit-amount of ore peer type but altering roid-size/numbers peer ore).
Fitz VonHeise Eye Bee Em	Posted - 2009.11.25 00:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Jojo Jackson Originally by: Aeon Storm I am always amazed at how myths turn into fact, if someone repeats it enough. I encourage you to get on the test server now and again, rather than spread this dribble. Hmm. Somehow I don't understand what you try to tell us. If my stuff is wrong, it would help, if you tell us the trueth. But just claiming "it's a myth" doesn't help (missing content you know). The point he is making is... Where did you get your information? If you have no source then you are just making it up.
Xessej	Posted - 2009.11.25 01:54:00 - [18] So far every site of the same name is exactly the same when it spawns. However I have occasionally seen a single roid in a site get a much larger unit amount on a later scan. ( a 10k crokite roid going to 100k for instance). As far as I've seen there is always ABC in every site. mercoxit seems to be restricted to just the core sites. Other ores may be missing from specific sites as well but honestly its hard to pay attention to low ends in a site with 50k+ units of ABCM.
EDDIEisFICTION	Posted - 2009.11.25 10:04:00 - [19] the best w-space classes to mine in are class 3 and up, you are completely wasting your time setting up a pos in a class 2 or 1... Even a class 3 might have spawns lasting if anything a month... Your best bet is to colonize a class 4 wormhole, which every day has 1 or 2 wormholes that spawn the entire time to a class 3... So even though it may take a month to drain the class 4 of spawns... with some random spawning after that, a class 3 will always be around for you to jump to for some quick mining. Otherwise if you have alot of PVE guys that can help, and i mean really good pve guys, go to a class 5 wh where clearing deposits takes an army of guys to do it... But you need a very commited group.
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2009.11.25 11:00:00 - [20] Originally by: EDDIEisFICTION Otherwise if you have alot of PVE guys that can help, and i mean really good pve guys, go to a class 5 wh where clearing deposits takes an army of guys to do it... But you need a very commited group. An army of guys? Last time I visited a class 5 WH the only sleeper spawn to be found at these gravimetric sites were 2 advanced sleeper BS, which were cleared out solo with a nighthawk.



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