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Letifer Deus Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.23 18:45:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP Casqade This is not true at all. The only things that are changed without it reaching Singularity before, are changes with exploit potential. This is done for a good reason and is also mentioned in the patch notes when it reaches Tranquility. This is also very rarely done at all, but an example of such changes has been the removal of NPC sell orders to remove the artificial price cap on minerals. correct me if I am wrong, but the T3 fuel cat. sub was never dropped from 20% to 10% on SISI before they hit TQ at 10%. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"

CCP Casqade	Posted - 2009.11.23 18:55:00 - [32] Please read the rest of my replies in this thread.

MADDOGzors Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.23 18:57:00 - [33] Since you actually reply, when do we get tier 3 navy battleships and tech 2 or 3 tier 3 battleships. I can't believe you're working on tech 3 frigs before bs's.

CCP Casqade	Posted - 2009.11.23 19:04:00 - [34] Since people seem to be missing the point of this thread. This is my last reply to it. Originally by: MADDOGzors Since you actually reply, when do we get tier 3 navy battleships and tech 2 or 3 tier 3 battleships. I can't believe you're working on tech 3 frigs before bs's. What?

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.11.23 19:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Zeba on 23/11/2009 19:14:29 Originally by: CCP Casqade Since people seem to be missing the point of this thread. This is my last reply to it. Originally by: MADDOGzors Since you actually reply, when do we get tier 3 navy battleships and tech 2 or 3 tier 3 battleships. I can't believe you're working on tech 3 frigs before bs's. What? ITT: Dev steps outside the protected castle walls for a bit of a chat with the peons about spreading nasty rumors and gets bumrushed by the local loonies. Did you think it would end any other way Casqade? Btw thanks for the awsome new sig. Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
MADDOGzors Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.23 19:14:00 - [36] God why am I not surprised. Here I'll break it down for you. Tier 3: rokh, abaddon, hyperion, maelstrom Tier 3 navy bs: put the word navy in front of the ships listed above Tech 2 or 3 version of tier 3: raven=golem, mega=kronos, tempest=vargur, apoc=paladin. Now do the same but with tier 3 bs's and make them for pvp.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.11.23 19:26:00 - [37] Originally by: MADDOGzors God why am I not surprised. Here I'll break it down for you. Tier 3: rokh, abaddon, hyperion, maelstrom Tier 3 navy bs: put the word navy in front of the ships listed above Tech 2 or 3 version of tier 3: raven=golem, mega=kronos, tempest=vargur, apoc=paladin. Now do the same but with tier 3 bs's and make them for pvp. God why am I not surprised. Here I'll break it down for you. I think the 'what' comment was moar directed at you asking a totally off topic question and less because he didn't understand you. Your post was akin to going into a ships and moduals thread about what t1 frig is the best budget tackler and asking why the ** moon goo is getting nerfed. Originally by:** CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
MADDOGzors Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.23 19:40:00 - [38] What is the meaning of life? Who shot JFK? Is CCP Nozh the guy voted in CSM by goonswarm?
Saurish	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:06:00 - [39] Edited by: Saurish on 23/11/2009 20:07:24 Originally by: CCP Casqade This is not true at all. The only things that are changed without it reaching Singularity before, are changes with exploit potential. This is done for a good reason and is also mentioned in the patch notes when it reaches Tranquility. This is also very rarely done at all, but an example of such changes has been the removal of NPC sell orders to remove the artificial price cap on minerals. This is also added into patch info: Link ? I assume players will find out more things.
EvilweaselSA Weasel Enterprises Ltd GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:55:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Casqade Here is where I think we went wrong. And I mean this in a respectful manner. You tried to make sense of my generalized answer and response to the OP, which had nothing to do with the changes you are talking about. I do not know about the changes you are talking about as it is not my area of expertise. Again, I am sorry if I have been unable to answer your specific question. But I hope you understand what it is that I am trying to say. Oh, I wasn't trying to get a response to that specific issue, just explain where I was coming from in case I was unclear. Thanks for the response, it was helpful.

Overlord Anubis Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.23 21:41:00 - [41] Edited by: Overlord Anubis on 23/11/2009 21:41:47 Originally by: CCP Casqade Here is where I think we went wrong. And I mean this in a respectful manner. You tried to make sense of my generalized answer and response to the OP, which had nothing to do with the changes you are talking about. I do not know about the changes you are talking about as it is not my area of expertise. Again, I am sorry if I have been unable to answer your specific question. But I hope you understand what it is that I am trying to say. If I understand that correctly you did not answer any question, nor did you mean to answer any question because you have no clue about the company you work for as do other employees of ccp. Magic elfs are the ones that handle new features and you do not discuss them internally, in any manner. You hope we understand what your trying to say, which was nothing and ment to be nothing related to the actual OP. As such your post was off topic. Please ban yourself accordingly. thanks.
General Meridus Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.24 01:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Overlord Anubis If I understand that correctly you did not answer any question, nor did you mean to answer any question because you have no clue about the company you work for as do other employees of ccp. Magic elfs are the ones that handle new features and you do not discuss them internally, in any manner. You hope we understand what your trying to say, which was nothing and ment to be nothing related to the actual OP. As such your post was off topic. thanks. Trolling removed. Zymurgist[/quote Fail post. Although I get it that many of us are ****ed off over the whole cap ship thing, few if any mmo companies even attempt this type of communication with thier players. Am I thrilled with this December release? Not really. For many reasons. However, I will credit this Dev for making a reasonable point. Who cares if we knew everything planned anyway?
Peryner University of Caille	Posted - 2009.11.24 02:05:00 - [43] Edited by: Peryner on 24/11/2009 02:09:34 Originally by: Overlord Anubis Edited by: Overlord Anubis on 23/11/2009 21:41:47 Originally by: CCP Casqade Here is where I think we went wrong. And I mean this in a respectful manner. You tried to make sense of my generalized answer and response to the OP, which had nothing to do with the changes you are talking about. I do not know about the changes you are talking about as it is not my area of expertise. Again, I am sorry if I have been unable to answer your specific question. But I hope you understand what it is that I am trying to say. If I understand that correctly you did not answer any question, nor did you mean to answer any question because you have no clue about Trolling removed. Zymurgist DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH by god, it's like people working planets for instance, don't and shouldn't publicly comment on changes to sov. CRAZY! It's almost like ccp is a real company and not the high school year book drama committee Quote: which was nothing and ment to be nothing related to the actual OP he clearly posted on topic, on multiple occasions. also notice how he didn't delete your post. The point is the topic posted by the op was to instill fear that the dev just randomly put things into the game without tell the playerbase on purpose. So a dev came in (thank you) and made sure to do some crowd control.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.11.24 02:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Peryner Originally by: Overlord Anubis Edited by: Overlord Anubis on 23/11/2009 21:41:47 Originally by: CCP Casqade Here is where I think we went wrong. And I mean this in a respectful manner. You tried to make sense of my generalized answer and response to the OP, which had nothing to do with the changes you are talking about. I do not know about the changes you are talking about as it is not my area of expertise. Again, I am sorry if I have been unable to answer your specific question. But I hope you understand what it is that I am trying to say. If I understand that correctly you did not answer any question, nor did you mean to answer any question because you have no clue about Trolling removed. Zymurgist DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH by god, it's like people working planets for instance, don't and shouldn't publicly comment on changes to sov. CRAZY! It's almost like ccp is a real company and not the high school year book drama committee But.. but.. there are blue bars on the post so they must be omniscient about all things eve! Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.24 03:08:00 - [45] theres always undocmented changes so lets get em if possible into the patch notes beforehand even 1 hour befoe the patch goes. Covert ops changes havent been added to patch notes yet , youll notice cpu and skills nerf unless u have covert os 5 thas gunna be an issue Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.11.24 03:16:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Casqade Thank you for the kind words. They are also a part of the constructive feedback we want. ah "constructive" then... let's see... scratch head now that you've let everyone know how to exploit the interdiction nullifier bug with your preliminary patch notes, could you give a green light to your GMs to start seeing it happen in their logs? - putting the gist back into logistics
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.24 03:28:00 - [47] seeing it in their logs would go a long way to finding a fix no ? Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Saurish	Posted - 2009.11.24 07:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Saurish on 24/11/2009 07:11:23 Originally by: HeliosGal theres always undocmented changes so lets get em if possible into the patch notes beforehand even 1 hour befoe the patch goes. Covert ops changes havent been added to patch notes yet , youll notice cpu and skills nerf unless u have covert os 5 thas gunna be an issue Covert ops are also nerfed.... Honestly ? What else must be nerfed ? I have a strong felling, those developers dont play the game for quite some time. Edit: FW Missions nerf - No one said something about, but players found out.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.24 08:55:00 - [49] Honestly the cover ops ner***e could have been just no patch notes updated yet. What else will be nerfed that we havent seen yet day will tell, should be patch note included. The developers play the game but the number data crunching is more important. You are also right about FW missions alterations. Nothing was said yet players tested and found it and replies have been less than forthcoming Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Trabber Shir Caldari 5I Incorporated	Posted - 2009.11.24 10:02:00 - [50] I predict that there will be many undocumented changes. Most of them will be similar to one of the following: * Punctuation fixed in a text field because a dev noticed it while doing something else and forgot to report that he fixed it. * Hit box on a UI button enlarged because clicking it repeatedly was part of development testing and the dev forgot to clean up the changes he made to make his life easier. * Briliance of some texture either reduced or brightened because at it's previous brightness it meant some dev was having to strain to see what was happening with some small detail he was investigating. * 90% of what is done in order to complete some large documented task such as "Modules can no longer be partially repaired, only ships and drones." For example the associated UI changes. (I don't know that anything has happened with that particular feature.) These are usually because you have a scrum team that wasn't keeping their paperwork up to date. Those types of undicumented changes are not unique to game development or documentation given to customers. Anyone who has done testing for enterprise application has found swarms of undocumented changes like this screwing up their test scripts. A worse type of undocumented change is less common since issue tracking, document management, and work flow management software has been combined but cases where a couple teams spend 2-3 days of one cycle implementing something small reports it as done in the work flow management system and then thinks it is someone else that will let the guys in charge of patch notes, test plans, and technical documentation in general. That is usually what happened when someone says there is a bug associated with x change and the client relations guy replies with "That changed?". I suppose in eve it would be petitions and bug reports that go unanswered for a few days while people try to figure out who did what internally. I would not be surprised to see at least one bug resulting from that type of undocumented change in Dominion considering how many features seem to be getting reverted. In short, there will be as many and as unpredictable of undocumented changes in dominion as there is in any other large expansion/patch/service pack to any large suite of apps. (Note: I use the term "suite of apps" because that is what I have experience working on and that is what Eve is when you consider the server). Also: Originally by: HeliosGal These wil be the things that arent disclosed until TQ goes down for expansion updates, usually the contraversial stuff. ...things that might balance and be good but will upset everyone to start with ... Hiding controversial stuff that will upset everyone regardless of being good is not part of CCP's modus operandi. Leading up to QR I got the distinct impression most of the devs enjoyed the emo tears.

Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.11.24 10:41:00 - [51] lol - it seems that once a dev is seen to be 'active' in a thread everyone will jump in and ask questions about anything. In anycase, I do understand the difficulties CCP has. Not because I'm experienced in such things but the Fanfest Video regarding 'Scrum & Agile' is interesting. While its sometimes boring and I often have no idea what they are talking about, you can appreciate the complexity of the development process CCP employ. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GqsReCZD4hc This video also shows how no 'one' person commands changes such was suggested in recent events (even though it was amusing)
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.24 10:41:00 - [52] Not to be harsh on CCP they make a good game. But over so many years u pick up so many themes that reoccour each patch and u kind of have to poke around sometimes to get a response, understand their responses but its those small ship changes and other small tweaks that wont apper until patch day that may need some even vague reasoning or note taking given beforehand Factional drones, elite emipre implants as well arent in there No mention of the factional rigs yet. Or drone implants that drop from their officers Then perhaps new wormhole types , new wormhole anamolies and signatures and so forth, factional battlecruisers Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00


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