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Shadow Vincentius Caldari Saberick Interest and Development Free Traders of EVE	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Shadow Vincentius on 24/11/2009 19:30:39 Got accepted in to a corp as a freighter pilot. CEO stated that he wanted my full API key so that he could keep track of market transactions, as I would be selling and setting up market orders for them on a large scale. This seems fair enough, so I gave him the API key to have an initial quick check of my account info. I then changed the API soon after as I would not start shipping for him for another 3 weeks, and I did not see the point in him having constant access until then. OK, so now the list of dodgy things. Firstly, there are 28 people in his corp, and yet I have only seen online 2 other than him. Second, in corporation mail he is the only person to have posted. Third, his main post was saying that every member HAS to sign up to a forum using their in game name. Fourth, whilst talking on vent he stated he was looking at a mercoxit roid, and yet I could clearly hear Amarr station noises in the background. And finally, and this one seemed very odd, I have not shipped anything nor done any transactions for him yet, and I have received an email saying that he has noticed I have changed my API key and that he will require full access again right away. I am by no means put completely off, but I am certainly feeling that I should have my guard up? Opinions please?
Hyveres Caldari The GankSquad Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:31:00 - [2] Anything more than a limited key is dodgy in my book. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Uran otan Minmatar Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Hyveres Anything more than a limited key is *stupid* in my book. I wouldn't do that again if I were you...
Soldur Caldari Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:35:00 - [4] this sounds totally legit to me
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Shadow Vincentius Edited by: Shadow Vincentius on 24/11/2009 19:30:39OK, so now the list of dodgy things. Firstly, there are 28 people in his corp, and yet I have only seen online 2 other than him. I know that it is POSSIBLE but not PROBABLE but there are people with tons of alts in this game Second, in corporation mail he is the only person to have posted. Some Corps and Alliances do not allow posting except by directors and such Third, his main post was saying that every member HAS to sign up to a forum using their in game name. I don't see how this is dodgy and maybe this is where your missing mails are. Fourth, whilst talking on vent he stated he was looking at a mercoxit roid, and yet I could clearly hear Amarr station noises in the background. Again multiple accounts And finally, and this one seemed very odd, I have not shipped anything nor done any transactions for him yet, and I have received an email saying that he has noticed I have changed my API key and that he will require full access again right away. This is the only dodgy thing IMHO. Like was state above full API is not needed by just anyone. -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
Faife Minmatar Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:40:00 - [6] better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver...
Shadow Vincentius Caldari Saberick Interest and Development Free Traders of EVE	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Faife better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver... lol fair enough. It was hopefully going to be a stop-gap whislt I was taught and learned the ropes of trade.
Serj Darek Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Faife better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver... Hahaha, that made my day
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Faife better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver... What, you've never watched Ice Truckers? FOFOFOOOO!
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:11:00 - [10] People role-play some pretty messed up stuff, but truck driver doesn't seem so bad. Maybe Jade Constantine has something to say on the matter... (your corp sounds like a scam, sorry)

Dylan Chan Gallente The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:19:00 - [11] sounds like a one or two man alt corp that they are having you do the market and hauling work for. I would not fear the full api.. your a nobody in his corp.. all it lets him to is keep an eye on your wallet so that he can track that your not shorting him, and it allows him to see your assets so that he can make sure your not stealing.. sound principle.. I would not sweat it.. besides if you decide to leave you can just regen it.. How much of a cut of the profits are you getting? (Next Week on Space Road Truckers... )
Zur Gallentis Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:41:00 - [12] It is absolutely vital you not give him access to your full access API key. As of Dominion he will be able to read all of your EVEMails. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716
Dylan Chan Gallente The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Zur Gallentis It is absolutely vital you not give him access to your full access API key. As of Dominion he will be able to read all of your EVEMails. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716 "So. We've added both systems to the API. The data structure is similar in both systems so we used the same technique to access them via the API." Well shoot.. that is cool.. and sucky all at once..
Iva Soreass Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Faife better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver... Hahahaha
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2009.11.24 21:09:00 - [15] I wouldn't do it. I'm sure someone else out there would be more than happy to take you in without the full api. At very best you've got an inactive corp (or one full of alts) with a lazy (and lying) ceo. Move along.
gfldex Gallente Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.24 22:17:00 - [16] There is no other way to keep of corp market orders then to have to full apikey of the char setting the orders up. If he trusts you with corp assets you might want to return some trust. If you don't trust him (that's _your_ feeling, the forum can't tell) leave his corp.
John Lupo Caldari Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks	Posted - 2009.11.24 22:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Faife better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver... Haha!
Joe Stalin Caldari Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.24 23:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Shadow Vincentius Edited by: Shadow Vincentius on 24/11/2009 19:30:39 Got accepted in to a corp as a freighter pilot. CEO stated that he wanted my full API key so that he could keep track of market transactions, as I would be selling and setting up market orders for them on a large scale. Reasonable explanation This seems fair enough, so I gave him the API key to have an initial quick check of my account info. I then changed the API soon after as I would not start shipping for him for another 3 weeks, and I did not see the point in him having constant access until then. Again, sounds reasonable, but from the CEO's perspective if you did not tell him you were going to do this it would look suspicious OK, so now the list of dodgy things. Firstly, there are 28 people in his corp, and yet I have only seen online 2 other than him. you must be new or haven't noticed this before, but in most corps its pretty common to have only 10-20% of your listed members actually active. The question is why you would want to join a corp of 28 when you could expect typically no more than about 6 active members tops. (yes there are plenty of exceptions) Second, in corporation mail he is the only person to have posted. if there are only a handful of active members, this seems reasonable Third, his main post was saying that every member HAS to sign up to a forum using their in game name. Fourth, whilst talking on vent he stated he was looking at a mercoxit roid, and yet I could clearly hear Amarr station noises in the background. He could have an alt also, and might not want to tell you everything at this time And finally, and this one seemed very odd, I have not shipped anything nor done any transactions for him yet, and I have received an email saying that he has noticed I have changed my API key and that he will require full access again right away. Changing the API key after you gave it to him was the suspicious part, not him asking for it if he plans on giving you large amounts of corp cargo I am by no means put completely off, but I am certainly feeling that I should have my guard up? Opinions please? what I am really wondering, is what would a corp of only a couple active members need in a full time freighter pilot? Maybe I'm just not into industry enough to understand.
Porgy Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.11.25 00:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Faife better question is why on earth would you want to be a professional freighter pilot? that's paying money to roleplay a truck driver... you clearly have not seen trucker's delight _______________________
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.25 02:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan People role-play some pretty messed up stuff, but truck driver doesn't seem so bad. Maybe Jade Constantine has something to say on the matter... Sure, I've never really understood the roleplaying humanoid bee's thing you guys do but it takes all sorts True Knowledge

CavoFury1 Caldari It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.11.25 09:19:00 - [21] Firstly, there are 28 people in his corp, and yet I have only seen online 2 other than him. Could be a lot of alts, or just people are not online in your TZ. Second, in corporation mail he is the only person to have posted. Why would anyone but the CEO/Dir's post in corp mail? Third, his main post was saying that every member HAS to sign up to a forum using their in game name. Ok. What's wrong with that? Means the corp puts info you need on their forums. Again, very normal. Fourth, whilst talking on vent he stated he was looking at a mercoxit roid, and yet I could clearly hear Amarr station noises in the background. Ever heard of alts, and dual boxing? I'm on 2 PC's right now. And finally, and this one seemed very odd, I have not shipped anything nor done any transactions for him yet, and I have received an email saying that he has noticed I have changed my API key and that he will require full access again right away. So? He's got your API plugged into a server that pulls the info, and if anything "hinky" happens it flags it? My pvp alts 0.0 corp does the same thing. I am by no means put completely off, but I am certainly feeling that I should have my guard up? Opinions please? You're not paranoid enough for this game. .. :) no seriously. If you didn't research the corp you join well enough to know how active it is, how many members are "real" members, and so on, then you deserve to be scammed. If you think API tracking is "bad" then you dont' want to join a 0.0 corp, as API tracking in the better corps is quite pervasive.
Velios Minmatar M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.11.25 13:27:00 - [22] Just sack this loser off and join M.Corp. You can gladly freight gear between Nonni and Jita all day for us! whaddya say?? BUY 3 EVE TIMECODES VIA M.CORP AND GET FREE BATTLESHIP
Glassback Minmatar Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.11.25 18:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Velios Just sack this loser off and join M.Corp. You can gladly freight gear between Nonni and Jita all day for us! whaddya say?? Paosting in a Velios thread.
Villa Wolfsbane Amarr Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.11.25 19:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Zur Gallentis It is absolutely vital you not give him access to your full access API key. As of Dominion he will be able to read all of your EVEMails. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716 You have misinterpreted the dev blog. I'd draw your attention to this line Originally by: Devblog 716 To pre-emtively break some hearts - the API will not give you any mail bodies or detailed notification information, nor will you be able to send mail through the API.
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.25 22:23:00 - [25] Once you have access to corp cash and roles to buy/sell, it is pretty easy to take that money and run. API keys aren't going to stop you doing that, just allow the CEO/directors to confirm it was you afterwards It's not helped by the fact that there is no separation (i.e. no separate roles for) buy, sell and accessing deliveries hangar (unless things have changed recently without my noticing). You can never be 'just' the delivery boy unless someone in corp can be bothered to constantly create courrier contracts for you within corp Trust is an issue, and has to work both ways. I personally would not trust anyone new in my corp unless I'd worked with them in a previous corp. In time, with a bit of social interaction and a few well done jobs then maybe access to a single wallet division with limited funds in it I'd be suspicious of the CEO generally giving out roles too easily. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist


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