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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2009.11.30 04:23:00 -
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Anyone know what the following means?
Exploration & Deadspace
-You can now bookmark a wormhole dungeon
-The loot of several DED complexes has been rebalanced.
The first one is obvious. The second one however is not. Any idea what this means? Has anyone read any indications in the dev blogs?
Thanks
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Jason Marshall
Gallente
Hammer Of Light
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.11.30 06:41:00 -
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Some crappy plex's are getting a boost to loot tables. And some obsurd ones are getting nerfed loot tables.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
JotunHeim Hird
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Posted - 2009.11.30 07:52:00 -
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As far as I know, there hasn't been any kind of communication on this.
Here is my take on it. This is all wild speculation, almost completely unfounded. I suspect that some kind of change happened to the loot drops somewhere in the Apochrypha series, since DED loot really has been meh lately, as far as I am concerned. Now, that could be just me having a fantastic string of bad luck, of course. Now at least I know the drops have been looked into and that it should work as intended from now on.
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souhyeahright
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Posted - 2009.11.30 08:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Jason Marshall
Some crappy plex's are getting a boost to loot tables. And some obsurd ones are getting nerfed loot tables.
Hey, CCP, keep your grubby Norse mitts off my Guristas 4/10 and 6/10 plexes. :(
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.11.30 10:24:00 -
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Could it be they finally fix the broken loot tables, or is this invalid for a while allready? (meaning the plex sites that say that the loot tables are broken for a big part of them)
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
Could it be they finally fix the broken loot tables, or is this invalid for a while allready? (meaning the plex sites that say that the loot tables are broken for a big part of them)
more like ccp nerfed the plex's over time into what they are now...
and is maybe looking at reversing what they did to wm when they was static plex's being farmed...
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.11.30 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
Could it be they finally fix the broken loot tables, or is this invalid for a while allready? (meaning the plex sites that say that the loot tables are broken for a big part of them)
more like ccp nerfed the plex's over time into what they are now...
and is maybe looking at reversing what they did to wm when they was static plex's being farmed...
Nerf over time indeed, haven't seen LG Crystal implants in a long time now where i killed as many of the dreads i had before when they dropped rather frequent.
Wonder what kind of effect the dominion has on the complexes when 0.0 can cultivate exploration systems, will this mean that complexes will occur less in 'public' or even NPC nullsec and almost static in cultivated 'explorer' systems owned by the bigger alliances ?
Maybe this got something to do with the tweaks on loot tables for complexes as well, who knows, i guess we will see it after tomorrow and the weeks that follow.
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Tavros Dal
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Posted - 2009.11.30 12:54:00 -
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Fingers crossed this may mean an end to DED plexes only dropping overseer effects, probably a pipe dream from me as exploration is supposed to be "chance based" but it annoys me a lot. I don't mind getting the "rubbish" deadspace loot, I don't even mind if the loot table is/will be biased against the good stuff dropping, its just the no deadspace loot roll really annoys me. The effort of finding and running DED plexes before others in any part of space is surely worth a little more reward than just overseer effects, "no drop, better luck next time mate" shouldn't really be included in the loot roll.
On the otherhand "rebalanced" is how CCP described the nano and Falcon changes.
Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
Nerf over time indeed, haven't seen LG Crystal implants in a long time now where i killed as many of the dreads i had before when they dropped rather frequent.
I picked up a LG Crsytal Delta and a Gila BPC from a dread cruiser in the penultimate escalation of a Guristas Vigil the other day, so they are still out there. I did have two of the Guristas 4/10 drop nothing for me earlier that evening so maybe it was divine justice coming down on the right side for once?
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souhyeahright
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Posted - 2009.11.30 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
Could it be they finally fix the broken loot tables, or is this invalid for a while allready? (meaning the plex sites that say that the loot tables are broken for a big part of them)
Do you mean things like this: http://www.koshua.org/eve/complex-loottable.txt ?
If so, that's been fixed for some time - I've run a number of the plexes claimed to be broken and obtained the appropriate loot.
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
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Posted - 2009.11.30 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: souhyeahright
Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
Could it be they finally fix the broken loot tables, or is this invalid for a while allready? (meaning the plex sites that say that the loot tables are broken for a big part of them)
Do you mean things like this: http://www.koshua.org/eve/complex-loottable.txt ?
If so, that's been fixed for some time - I've run a number of the plexes claimed to be broken and obtained the appropriate loot.
Yeah, this one and several others around the interwebs
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2009.11.30 16:22:00 -
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I'm concerned that when they say re-balance they mean a big 'NERF'.
The reason why is because as we all know, there will be significant changes to plex spawns in 0.0 post Dominion. Each upgrade will allow 4 plex sites to spawn in a given system, with 5 being the highest upgrade resulting in 20 plexes in a given system. CCP has stated that the plexes will NOT re-spawn at down time, rather that they will insta-respawn after they have been run. Therefore, either the officer mod/faction loot market must crash (due to a increase in the number of items received from plexes), and/or the loot tables would have to be modified to reduce the chance of spawning the phat l00tz.
An example: Since I dont want to say the name, Im thinking of a specific Dread Gurista plex with no DED rating (it would be approximate to a 9/10 or 10/10 in the 'Northern Regions' aka: Guristas, but again I wont say the name for obvious reasons), it has 4 escalations, and ends with a Citadel torp structure. I have run this plex several times, and every single time it has resulted in awesome loot (I think Ive run it around 8-10 times). Not only does it always yield loot, but it is fairly easy to run to with 2 ships. Obviously the plex is probably spawning too much loot and would need to be nerfed, especially if you had 20 plexes spawning all day long, and therefore you could run one after another after another after another and become a multi-billionaire in the space of 12 hours. Compare that with...
Same plex name in the Scalding Pass area which Ive also run requires at least 4-5 characters to complete because the DPS required to pop the last station is immense. Overall I have found that the plexes in the 'Southern Regions' are much harder to run, and yield less phat loot overall because of the DPS required to pop the final structure means that you must have additional people help you run the final stage.
So my assumption is that 1) They are going to nerf plexes. They have to, because of CCP's new found idea on the "awesomeness" of being able to upgrade systems to contain more DED plexes. IMHO - they didnt think this one through very well, and after several people noted the problem with their plan, threw the nerf in after the fact to prevent the faction market from crashing. What does this mean? Way more just "Overseer" effects I would imagine, and less actual loot spawning. Sweet - I get to waste more of my time (Perhaps Im spoiled with the loots Ive gotten, I dunno)
2) Im HOPING that they are going to BALANCE the pelxes to make sure that across regions, the exact same plex is of a similar difficulty level. I was amazed at the difference in difficulty level between the Scalding pass area plexes and the "Northern Region" type plexes. Huge difference IMO, and the loot doesnt sell for as much from the Southern Regions, at least that has been my observation.
3) (I just tossed this one in and it doesnt really have to do with plexes, but exploration in general) Im also hoping that CCP realizes what they have done to the lower end exploration profession. Very few people run the Radar, Magno and Grav sites any longer due to the crash in market value of the items received. For example, it used to be very much worth it to run the Radar sites, but once I noticed that the X Ship Data Interface's didnt decay at all, it was obvious that the market would become saturated, and thus the price would fall drastically to the point that it wasnt profitable to run the sites any longer. I noticed that CCP reduced the skill requirements for hacking etc, so obviously they havent figured it out yet. THE ITEMS DONT DECAY SO NO ONE NEEDS TO REPLACE THEM. IF THEY DONT NEED TO BE REPLACED, THERE IS NO MARKET FFS. /rant end on the 'sites'.
Comments welcome.
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2009.11.30 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Narfas Deteis on 30/11/2009 16:46:10
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow
I'm concerned that when they say re-balance they mean a big 'NERF'.
The reason why is because as we all know, there will be significant changes to plex spawns in 0.0 post Dominion. Each upgrade will allow 4 plex sites to spawn in a given system, with 5 being the highest upgrade resulting in 20 plexes in a given system. CCP has stated that the plexes will NOT re-spawn at down time, rather that they will insta-respawn after they have been run. Therefore, either the officer mod/faction loot market must crash (due to a increase in the number of items received from plexes), and/or the loot tables would have to be modified to reduce the chance of spawning the phat l00tz.
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Comments welcome.
Don't mix anomalies and signatures.
Only anomalies are guaranteed with Pirate Detection Arrays upgrade (up to 20 anomalies in system).
Entrapment upgrade work different way, it just increases chance of signature spawn in system, without any guarantees.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Narfas Deteis
Edited by: Narfas Deteis on 30/11/2009 16:46:10
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow
I'm concerned that when they say re-balance they mean a big 'NERF'.
The reason why is because as we all know, there will be significant changes to plex spawns in 0.0 post Dominion. Each upgrade will allow 4 plex sites to spawn in a given system, with 5 being the highest upgrade resulting in 20 plexes in a given system. CCP has stated that the plexes will NOT re-spawn at down time, rather that they will insta-respawn after they have been run. Therefore, either the officer mod/faction loot market must crash (due to a increase in the number of items received from plexes), and/or the loot tables would have to be modified to reduce the chance of spawning the phat l00tz.
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Comments welcome.
Don't mix anomalies and signatures.
Only anomalies are guaranteed with Pirate Detection Arrays upgrade (up to 20 anomalies in system).
Entrapment upgrade work different way, it just increases chance of signature spawn in system, without any guarantees.
Just double checked - you are correct. What they are referencing in that part of the post is anomolies. No specific numbers given regarding plexes - which is rather strange.
Still curious about what the re-balancing means wrt to Plexes....
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Randomina Randomona
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Posted - 2009.12.01 13:36:00 -
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after doing close to 60 plexes incl multiple 6/10, 8/10 and 10/10 and getting a combined total of drops of less than 400 mill if anything plexing needs to be buffed and ensure that you get more decent drops in these plex considering the effort into scanning and running these things.
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Jonna Red
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Randomina Randomona
after doing close to 60 plexes incl multiple 6/10, 8/10 and 10/10 and getting a combined total of drops of less than 400 mill if anything plexing needs to be buffed and ensure that you get more decent drops in these plex considering the effort into scanning and running these things.
I have run maybe half of that amount of plexes in the last six months but made about 2 billion isk so far from that (after sharing with others). The oversear effects alone of a 10/10 should be worth 400 million.
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Randomina Randomona
after doing close to 60 plexes incl multiple 6/10, 8/10 and 10/10 and getting a combined total of drops of less than 400 mill if anything plexing needs to be buffed and ensure that you get more decent drops in these plex considering the effort into scanning and running these things.
...and prices will go down even more. Ahaha. Ridiculously easy scanning and "easier access" to exploration, formerly known as profession. It doesn't matter what CCP do, increases or decreases drops, exploration is and will be less profitable, exciting and satisfactionary then ever. Some call it competition, I would call it farmer rush for all these potential insta rewards with almost no effort.
...and now they basically reintroduce static plexes in a bit different form. Welcome to farmerland. x-type stuff for every rifter, 1m per piece.
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Dave Meltdown
Capital Construction Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.01 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dave Meltdown on 01/12/2009 15:38:35
The pith and gist plexes needed a nerf and the other ones needed a boost...Gist x-large booster 3billion... i wish i could find that in the 10/10 centus plexes (sansha ones). Max loot to find in there is the centus armour rep worth 1.4b. (devided by 4 minimum)
The 6/10 plex loot in sansha space deffinaly needs a boost. I have ran over 8 6/10 plexes in esoteria (low sec 0.0 space) 3 times i found nothing 1 time a medium A energy transfer 3 times i found only 1 A- type energized plateing (2 therm 1 em) and only once i found a ts warp disrupt plus 2 energized platings (kin and therm).... Avarage time to do solo is 2.5 hours inclusive searching for them... If u concider that u can easy find a A type shield booster or shield boost amplifier worth a billion in pith plexes....
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Enterthedragqueen
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Posted - 2009.12.01 21:20:00 -
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They've changed the Guristas 8/10 so that only the last overseer, Dewak, drops a 21st Overseer Effect whatever.
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McGarnical
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Posted - 2009.12.02 00:22:00 -
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Yeah I jst did the serp 10/10 and only got overseer effects from the final room. Kind of an odd solution, since the problem as I see it was that certain ded plexes aka the sansha 10/10 or the guristas 8/10 had a far lower deadspace drop rate then some of the others.. aka the guristas 4/10 or 6/10. I wouldnt have any problem with the deadspace drops meeting somewhere in the middle... boosting the worst ones, nerfing the best ones... But killing the only consistant return on time spent seems like a strange choice.
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Tristan Gale
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Posted - 2009.12.02 08:06:00 -
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Angel 10/10 now only drops 21st and 23rd effects. So instead of always at least getting like 420m of effects you now only get 210m. Nice nerf...
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Schmell
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Posted - 2009.12.02 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Schmell on 02/12/2009 12:21:16
Edited by: Schmell on 02/12/2009 12:18:09
NICE JOB CCP. Making plexes equivalent to ratting or even worse in terms of isk/hour. Nice move for making eve less boring and nullsecs more popular
What is the logic behind it? To find plex you must use skills. For ratting you dont. To break plex, especially 10/10 ones, you must have fleet, for ratting you dont. Its pretty obvious, that hard way to make money must have more profit
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Dardo
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dardo on 02/12/2009 16:18:49
Any reports on low-sec plexes? The returns on them were next to nothing in my experiences.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.12.02 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Meltdown
The pith and gist plexes needed a nerf and the other ones needed a boost...Gist x-large booster 3billion... i wish i could find that in the 10/10 centus plexes (sansha ones). Max loot to find in there is the centus armour rep worth 1.4b.
And how exactly would you fix that? By making the Gist x-large booster drop more frequently so the price goes down?
Originally by: Jason Marshall
Some crappy plex's are getting a boost to loot tables.
My, aren't you optimistic. Unless we hear concrete details, I'd assume no crappy plexes are getting boosted but that instead good ones are being nerfed.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2009.12.02 23:42:00 -
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Onyxia deep breaths more too.
Fake edit: it's been barely 2 days.
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McGarnical
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Posted - 2009.12.03 00:43:00 -
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Well as I see it the issue was an inbalance in the loot tables. Certain ded plexes dropped a bit too frequently... and some dropped like almost never. Really all they ahd to do was lower the drop percentage on a few plexes, like the guristas 6/10, 4/10 or serp 10/10. and raise the percentage slightly on plexes like the sansha 10/10 or guristas 8/10 that almost never drop.
Doesnt seem that complicated... nerfing the effects which is the only consistent thing in all plexes, just makes those less desirable plexes even more risky to run... and almost never worth the time invested.
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Sevani
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.12.03 07:11:00 -
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6 of 10 in catch not dropping overseer's effects. WTF? Better be extra stuff on last guy. Before at least I knew if I got boned on the drop, at least I have the effects.
post ho-ing using IGB is the win.
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Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sevani
6 of 10 in catch not dropping overseer's effects. WTF? Better be extra stuff on last guy. Before at least I knew if I got boned on the drop, at least I have the effects.
post ho-ing using IGB is the win.
They reduced it to one 19th tier box in last pocket from Overseer Skomener. Worth of 51kk, so total income (box+bounty) without faction items is like 75kk against old 100kk.
Dont know if faction items drop probability was reduced, but who knows. Yesterday i did one and got nothing but 1 box.
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Herring
Caldari
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.12.03 15:15:00 -
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I guess something had to get hosed to make way for all the isk allegedly making its way in through the new cosmic anamolygasm.
I just wish they hadn't nerfed ded plexes, which were meh a lot of the time to begin with. Don't take the fun (read: profit) out of serious exploration!
1/10 for poorly thought out rebalancing.
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Max Queso
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Posted - 2009.12.03 15:50:00 -
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I thought that sansha 6/10 was broken, then thought I'd better come to this forum and see if a thread like this existed.
No overseer effects,.. no mods at the end.
Two TS spawns since Dominion deployment in the belts. Nothing but tags and crystals.
I keep checking to see if I'm still in Stain.
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5nipe
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Posted - 2009.12.03 16:07:00 -
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4/10 Guristas Scout Outpost still dropping the same boosters and amplifiers + some named stuff like ballistic controls. Hi Sec and Low Sec.
5/10 Outgrowth Rogue Drone Hive still dropping 10-15th overseers effects. Nothing from "mother" so far.
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