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Zharrakk D'Hakarr
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Posted - 2009.12.01 15:52:00 -
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Liek tittle stated, I would like to gather some information on gas harvasting.
I tried to find a guide, but with no result unfortunatly.
Thnx for the help.
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triafrenum
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Posted - 2009.12.01 16:25:00 -
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They are so incredibly rare that you will most likely not ever ever find one in empire space. The only time I found one was when a WH dropped me off at a highsec in a sea of lowsec against the edge of the game. This system had about 60 sites in total in it and only 1 of them was ladar
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Karanth
Gallente
Independent Fleet
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Posted - 2009.12.01 16:45:00 -
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Only clouds I've ever found in high-sec are from mining missions, I've never seen a ladar site in empire before.
 Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.01 17:18:00 -
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Scan and you shall find them - in Lonetrek it's Golden Mikosomething. Usually 2-3 clouds, 500-1000 units each.
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 18:35:00 -
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They do not spawn in high sec. There are only 3 or 4 regions of where the crappy gas used for making synth boosters spawn in low sec, and only 3 or 4 regions of 0.0 where the good gas for making full boosters spawns.
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hefforz
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Posted - 2009.12.01 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
They do not spawn in high sec. There are only 3 or 4 regions of where the crappy gas used for making synth boosters spawn in low sec, and only 3 or 4 regions of 0.0 where the good gas for making full boosters spawns.
Accually Ladar sites spawn everywhere, including high sec. if you have a dedicated scanner you will find them. Just because you have never found one in high sec, doesn't mean they dont spawn there. I have found them all over high sec, only thing is the quality of the gas is crap and its hard to find people to buy it, compared to the more exotic gases found in wormholes and 0.0
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Xanthar Dhull
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Posted - 2009.12.02 06:49:00 -
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I actually am currently in a ladar site in 1.0 high sec space, mining vermillion Mykoserocin. I scanned it down pretty quickly. 2 clouds. bottom line, ladar sites are in high sec
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2009.12.02 06:53:00 -
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Ive seen the booster clouds in high sec in Solitude.
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Zharrakk D'Hakarr
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Posted - 2009.12.02 11:17:00 -
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Thnx for the input.
So basically its Ladar sites to be scanned down (tricky part is i have no scanning skills ) and apparently they do spawn in hisec.
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Myyona
Minmatar
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2009.12.02 11:43:00 -
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There is a bit of a mystery behind Ladar sites, and I do not think it would be in my best interest to go explaining the details as I have no interest in increasing competition.
At least not on the forums, though feel free to contact me in game and I will spill the beans.
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Wandering Hobo
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Posted - 2009.12.03 07:01:00 -
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Just adding my voice to say that high sec gas exists but is probed out. Run into quite a few in a particular system near Rens. Might just have a lot of luck but it seems to be spawning them pretty frequently.
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Phenglei Kai
Caldari
A..M..W
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Posted - 2009.12.03 13:39:00 -
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I also find them in high sec all the time..just scan,you will find them.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:51:00 -
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Ladar sites are limited by, I believe, region and I don't think that all regions have them. So if you've been doing a lot of exploring and haven't found any then I recommend moving on to a different region. I remember doing a lot of high sec exploration out by Harerget in Everyshore and never finding a single ladar site (although I did find a couple of small clouds in expedition sites.)
Ladar sites aren't that common in high sec but they do show up sometimes. In some areas of low sec they are considerably more frequent but there's still a big random component. I've found three ladars in a system several times and then not found any in that system for a while.
Especially in low sec my experience is that the clouds are not heavily mined and frequently last until natural de-spawn. That may well vary both on type of cloud and who lives in the space of course.
Gas harvesting 101:
Use exploration (scanning probes) to find ladar sites (in low sec ladar sites are rarely combat/hacking rather than gas, the gas ones all seem to have nebula in their name). Pure gas clouds in high/low sec seem to be undefended. Wormhole gas sites have one wave of defenders that warps in a little while (10 minutes+?) after the site is first spawned. The defenders are generally defeatable with a fairly casual combat ship (my mining fit myrmidon can solo all perimeter and frontier sites except for the Ordinary Frontier Deposit which spawns with 5 Sirius towers which are quite painful.) Be wary of core ladar sites as they can have warp scrambling battleships in...
Train the gas harvesting skill (seeded in pirate space but often people haul them to high sec hubs and sell them for a markup). Each level of the skill lets you fit one gas cloud harvester I, at level 5 you can fit 5 gas cloud harvester IIs.
Fit as many harvesters on to your ship as you can (5 on a battlecruiser seems to work well), target the cloud (you have to be pretty close) and turn them on. Each harvester cycle (40 seconds) gets you 20 m3 of gas (so 30 m3/minute per harvester or 150 m3 for 5 gas cloud harvester IIs). Don't forget some expanded cargoholds...
A Sparking Nebula (I think I saw this in high sec but I might be misremembering) has three clouds of 1000 units of Viridian Mykoserocin. Viridian Mykoserocin has a volume of 10 m3 so each of those clouds takes over an hour to mine with a full T2 gas harvesting ship, not counting time spent on transport.
I believe there's an implant that boosts your gas cloud harvesting cycle time but I never bothered with it.
The high and low sec gasses tend to have fairly poor markets. There's not a lot of demand outside of Jita and even there the purchase orders tend to be small. Gas clouds in wormholes are another story although the profitability/hour has been dropping pretty quickly on everything except c320 and c50.
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.12.06 04:20:00 -
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Either there is a rather serious and recent bug or you guys are pretty bad trolls. You can go back and read the dev blogs when CCP introduced them and they specifically say they only spawn in certain regions. I've never lived in those regions so the ONLY time I have ever seen a ladar signature is when I found a wormhole out to one.
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Athar Mu
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.06 04:54:00 -
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I found one in a Lonetrek 0.5 system. To be honest I have only ever found on in highsec but they are there, probably just a bit rarer than lowsec or 0.0. Don't believe people when they say they don't spawn. To be honest I don't know many people who actually do it so if you do find one you probably wont be disrupted.
As for gas harvesting you need the skill (trained to 5 perferably) and a ship with 5 turret hard points and a good size cargo bay. Sit in the cloud and just hit the go button.
Good luck.
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.12.06 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
They do not spawn in high sec. There are only 3 or 4 regions of where the crappy gas used for making synth boosters spawn in low sec, and only 3 or 4 regions of 0.0 where the good gas for making full boosters spawns.
One of my friends found a golden something cloud in a ladar site in a 0.5 system in Lonetrek.
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Phoebus ApolloX
Reasonable People
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Posted - 2009.12.08 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Phoebus ApolloX on 08/12/2009 08:43:00
My experience is with high sec ladar sites is similar to what some people have said already: first that only some regions have high sec ladar sites at all, and that they all spawn with some variant of mykoserocin (which produces synth boosters). I have seen viridian and golden mykoserocin personally, there is quite a lot actually if you know where to look, although the markets are pretty limited. If you want to do any serious gas cloud harvesting you need to have gas cloud harvesting to V and have the t2 equipment for it to be worthwhile, and even then it really isn't (isk per time spent you're better off doing other things, but if you need the gas because you are actually producing boosters then it would definitely be worth your time). I do it sometimes when I get bored though, no enemies spawn at the sites (in my experience) and if you have a big enough cargohold it's a lazier afk activity than other types of mining.
Usually the best market to sell the gas is the same region the gas spawns in, as it is often sold local (bigger demand tends to be in areas where there is factional warfare).
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: triafrenum
They are so incredibly rare that you will most likely not ever ever find one in empire space. The only time I found one was when a WH dropped me off at a highsec in a sea of lowsec against the edge of the game. This system had about 60 sites in total in it and only 1 of them was ladar
I encountered the same shortly after apoc was released somewhere in Caldari space.
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Iguanidae
Gallente
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:55:00 -
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During the little time I spend in Molden Heath high-sec, like three months ago, I did find two ladar sites in one system, both with two Azure Mykoserocin clouds. So definitely they do spawn in high-sec and yes they are poor from the isk/hour point of view :)
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mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2009.12.08 21:14:00 -
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I can say I have personally found gas clouds in two different systems in Heimatar, in 1.0 systems. However the ISK/h is really crappy. At this point about all I'd do if I wanted to mine them is park a Mammy out there and go to bed and get what I got in the morning (atleast a bit of ISK rather than nothing). If you want to make much of any ISK gassing go into a WH, I use an Exeq for gassing WHs while doing schoolwork with great success (1700m3+ hold).
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Ehbdfgf Intaki
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Posted - 2009.12.08 23:08:00 -
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a reminder - gas from know space is for Booster (drugs) - gas from wh space is for Polymers (T3 ships)
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Gentle Behn
Monster Raving Loonies
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Posted - 2010.02.24 02:00:00 -
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Pull your neck in Gaogan, Celia's bang on the money.
I'd go another step and say if you find the right spot you get some good drug lab ladar sites with combat and boxes with reactions and pill blue prints of all grades to be found. Lower end more common than higher end. Not supprising really
This was as far back as the start of 2009 in my experiance. Might be the ccp have tweeked something. Wouldn't be the first time 
As for finding them well get in a ship and start exploring for them. A well fit battle cruiser will sc**** through them all, harvest your gas. Just need a guy in a hauler battering the directional scanner. I'd fit a cloak on both ships and be prepeared to warp to a safe at a moments notice 
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slave reaper
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Posted - 2010.02.24 02:05:00 -
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there around in high sec i found a bunch just got to try in the lower security systems like .7 or under
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.24 04:43:00 -
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Well isn't that nice... CCP specifically said the gas for the synth boosters only spawned in low sec in a handfull of specific regions when they added them. In over two years of living in Providence, I have never seen a single ladar site which made sense since ccp listed the 0.0 regions the good booster gas spawned in when they added them and Providence was not one of them. Now they go and add it to empire and don't tell anyone and Providence gets the shaft again.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.24 05:19:00 -
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I've found a few LADAR sites in Sinq Laison and Heimatar (hisec for both regions).
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.24 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
Well isn't that nice...
From memory the gas clouds in hisec are low-yield. They're barely worth harvesting in terms of ISK/hr.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.24 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 24/02/2010 09:46:03
In hisec and mining Celadon Mykoserocin.
ladar sites are there , you just need to persevere.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.24 12:28:00 -
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mykoserocin is found mostly in specified lowsec constellations(there are always 2-3 clouds in constellation) but also spawns anywhere in the region this constellation is
cytoserocin is same but with nullsec constellations
There was a change in apocrypha(I think) where more gas sites were added to highsec and lowsec, these new sites contain small amounts of cytoserocin
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.02.24 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Celia Therone on 24/02/2010 20:24:34
Originally by: Gaogan
Well isn't that nice... CCP specifically said the gas for the synth boosters only spawned in low sec in a handfull of specific regions when they added them.
In an expansion (I'd guess more than a year, less that 2, but I don't really remember) CCP expanded the locations where you could find booster ladar clouds. I'm pretty sure that it was documented in the patch notes but I think that was from before I was interested in gas cloud mining so I didn't pay a lot of attention.
The upshot was that in some regions (I suspect close by to the original regions) you can now find the occasional cytoserocin cloud in low sec. I have done this and mined them.
Also you can find the occasional mykoserocin cloud in high sec. Again, I have found these and mined them.
I believe that these clouds are still limited by region and that some regions have no clouds, period. (With the exception that at least one high sec exploration chain has some very small clouds and that can happen in, what I believe, are otherwise cloud free regions.)
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.25 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Celia Therone
In an expansion (I'd guess more than a year, less that 2, but I don't really remember) CCP expanded the locations where you could find booster ladar clouds. I'm pretty sure that it was documented in the patch notes but I think that was from before I was interested in gas cloud mining so I didn't pay a lot of attention.
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Dragonmede
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Posted - 2010.02.25 16:32:00 -
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I have found numerous Ladar/Gas Cloud sites around Forge and Lonetrek regions of Empire, I have even tried my hand at harvesting them...... Oh Boy what a waste of ISK that was.
High Sec/Empire Harvestable Clouds are next to worthless. There are no buyers for the stuff, and the market has been "flat line" dead for quite a while.
Concentrate on the 0.0 and WH sites.
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CCP Shadow
Caldari
C C P
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:20:00 -
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Exploration-related discussion, moved to Missions and Complexes.
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.26 02:53:00 -
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I found my first highsec LADAR 2 days ago. I found it hard to believe that they were in highsec however, they do show up.
Give it time, I've been scanning since Apocrypha came out. Hop into low/nullsec and you'll find more.
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Hornet2060
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Gaogan
Well isn't that nice...
From memory the gas clouds in hisec are low-yield. They're barely worth harvesting in terms of ISK/hr.
agreed, in my experience anyhow. null and low sec is a different story.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:13:00 -
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I've found the gold something or other gas clouds in high sec lonetrek myself.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
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