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drakkaror
Dragon's Rage
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Posted - 2012.06.17 02:46:00 -
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Hi,
Capital ships havent seen much love lately and im wondering if something like haveing a class of carriers that can fit a limited
number of guns/missles which would definatly mix some gameplay up and the best example I have of this is Battlestar Galactica. |
Cyprus Black
Ascension Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.17 13:13:00 -
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Sounds great, but we need a name for this new and revolutionary type of ship.
I vote we call them Dreadnoughts. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Bronya Boga
Casual Flyers
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Posted - 2012.06.17 13:32:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Sounds great, but we need a name for this new and revolutionary type of ship.
I vote we call them Dreadnoughts.
I love it. we should rename the triage module into something else....like maybe siege. sounds badass CCP pay attention to these great ideas we are having. |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:38:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Sounds great, but we need a name for this new and revolutionary type of ship.
I vote we call them Dreadnoughts.
And what you carried ? Ammos over fighters ? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:44:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Sounds great, but we need a name for this new and revolutionary type of ship.
I vote we call them Dreadnoughts.
Moros called, it wants its drones back. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.17 20:35:00 -
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I for one would welcome carrier hulls with turret slots |
drakkaror
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.17 23:43:00 -
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you guys are takeing me waaaay to literal on this and just thinking inside the box and odveously with implementing guns on something like a pocket carrier, their would be some changes to them as to what a full carrier can do, and im sure if any of you participated in capital operations you would know that a lot of corps use their carriers off grid and send their fighters in to attack a station/pos thus leaveing them defensless untill their fighters return and allies warp in to assist them if they are cought.
If you look at a lot of world war 2 carriers they had around four 5 inch guns to help protect them even modern carriers have use of some source of defence of this nature |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:26:00 -
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drakkaror wrote:you guys are takeing me waaaay to literal on this and just thinking inside the box and odveously with implementing guns on something like a pocket carrier, their would be some changes to them as to what a full carrier can do, and im sure if any of you participated in capital operations you would know that a lot of corps use their carriers off grid and send their fighters in to attack a station/pos thus leaveing them defensless untill their fighters return and allies warp in to assist them if they are cought.
If you look at a lot of world war 2 carriers they had around four 5 inch guns to help protect them even modern carriers have use of some source of defence of this nature
EVE carriers have a form of point defence as well.
We call them 'smartbombs'. |
drakkaror
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.18 00:49:00 -
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True but they become uneffective when everything from frigate on up can orbit you ouside the range of your smartbombing. |
Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:54:00 -
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*ineffective.
Such a well thought-out proposal... worthy of the Assembly Hall for sure. [Not quite sure whether that's sarcasm by the way]
Anywho, you can either have a) a Carrier with fighters/drones or b) a Carrier with guns. The former exists already in form of the current carriers and the latter is called a Dreadnaught.
Mixture of the two would either be OP or would wreck the role of the current two classes of ship that are in the game (or probably both). If you cared to expand on what exact role this ship would fill and why this role is necessary; and also, what you envisage would be a balanced layout of slots/hardpoints/bonuses for this new 'pocket carrier', then your proposal would be worthy of debate.
Something tells me however, when you really think about it... besides "it's cool and it's like Battlestar Galactica" there is really no particular reason for your ship to exist in a game like EvE. |
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:36:00 -
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Turreted carriers have been proposed before, and been shot down as an idea, namely because at the time dreadnoughts had drone bays. Now that they do not, Adding turrets would be an interesting idea, however their utility and balancing would be an issue. An issue balancing that i am not convinced is worth attempting to fix.
the parallels to real life are a bit disingenuous, as most of the other ship classes and abilities and configurations of ships are not paralleled in RL it is only the ship class names that are drawn from RL.
In Rl and you should wiki this, Frigates and Cruisers sizes and armaments get fuzzy after a while with ships classed as Frigates, become the sizes of cruisers, battle-cruisers are the same sizes as other cruisers or even as small as destroyers, which can be frigate sized, or battle-cruiser sized, depending on their roles and not their tonnage.
Also, Take a quick look at the battleships in game, all of them lack the secondary armament that real life battleships had, Or the tertiary armaments.
a quick check of the last of the great battleships would have something like 2x2 main canon groups, 4x2 secondary sized cannon groups, 24x1 tertiary turret weapons and 5 torpedo tubes, . (HMS Agamemnon)
which would be a fairly big change from the current 6-8 turret distribution.
Using the Missourri as an analogue to dreadnoughts, It has
9 +ù 16 in (410 mm)/50 cal Mark 7 guns 12 +ù 5 in (130 mm)/38 cal Mark 12 guns 32 +ù BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles 16 +ù RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship missiles 4 +ù 20 mm/76 cal Phalanx CIWS
as its armament, another far cry from the 3 weapons slots (or 2x2 that the nag has)
The RL analogues that people try to bring up are wrong in terms of armament of ships. however roles are fairly universal.
A pocket carrier of the orca size would not be an amiss addition to the game. a 5 fighter ship that cant assign them, or triage would be an interesting ship to have on grid. of course it does need a better justification the "it should be interesting" I also do not know how it would fit into the current ships lineup in terms of abilities or utility Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:31:00 -
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drakkaror wrote:True but they become uneffective when everything from frigate on up can orbit you ouside the range of your smartbombing.
They can't orbit you outside the range of your support fleet. If they can they are most likely not a threat to your carrier.
NO to capitals ever being viable without subcap support. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:03:00 -
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drakkaror wrote:and im sure if any of you participated in capital operations you would know that a lot of corps use their carriers off grid and send their fighters in to attack a station/pos thus leaveing them defensless untill their fighters return and allies warp in to assist them if they are cought. And you obviously haven't participated in capital operations or you would know that fighters can't attack POS due to range issues... and that a carrier can instantly recall it's drones from across the system, pull them, and deploy more "useful" drones for combat (because fighters can't hit anything smaller than a cruiser)... and that carriers are FAR more useful ON FIELD with the other support ships, going into Triage mode or providing Pantheon-style Remote Reps with another carrier to the gang/fleet. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:48:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: And you obviously haven't participated in capital operations or you would know that fighters can't attack POS due to range issues... and that a carrier can instantly recall it's drones from across the system, pull them, and deploy more "useful" drones for combat (because fighters can't hit anything smaller than a cruiser)... and that carriers are FAR more useful ON FIELD with the other support ships, going into Triage mode or providing Pantheon-style Remote Reps with another carrier to the gang/fleet.
Stole the words out of my mouth... Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Americe Zane
Dovahkiin. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.06.25 09:46:00 -
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drakkaror wrote:you guys are takeing me waaaay to literal on this and just thinking inside the box and odveously with implementing guns on something like a pocket carrier, their would be some changes to them as to what a full carrier can do, and im sure if any of you participated in capital operations you would know that a lot of corps use their carriers off grid and send their fighters in to attack a station/pos thus leaveing them defensless untill their fighters return and allies warp in to assist them if they are cought.
If you look at a lot of world war 2 carriers they had around four 5 inch guns to help protect them even modern carriers have use of some source of defence of this nature
RL Carriers only had AA guns. 5in guns on a carrier is kind of stupid (aircraft do a much better job than small 5in guns). Modern carriers dont have any guns bigger than .50 cal (at least U.S. carriers), and are designed to work with smaller ships in its fleet nearby (we always had at least 1 destroyer in sight when we were at sea).
Adding guns to carriers in Eve seems to be going in the wrong direction. Prob best to bring more support. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:37:00 -
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Well the stupidity of this idea has been adequately pointed out by everyone else, so all I'm gonna say is if you want a ship with guns and drones, may I suggest training Gallente? |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:27:00 -
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a new hybrid carrier would be cool if done right. say 8-10 large turrent slots(no capital turrets), combined with a decent drone bay. maybe allow it to field up to 20 drones, but regular drones only no fighters or fighter bombers. No siege or triage just a standard capital class tank. One of these would have tank and DPS equal to 3-4 battleships but be very weak against other capitals. Knida like a muti-pupose ships, for real diversity allow it to equip stripminers.
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:39:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:a new hybrid carrier would be cool if done right. say 8-10 large turrent slots(no capital turrets), combined with a decent drone bay. maybe allow it to field up to 20 drones, but regular drones only no fighters or fighter bombers. No siege or triage just a standard capital class tank. One of these would have tank and DPS equal to 3-4 battleships but be very weak against other capitals. Knida like a muti-pupose ships, for real diversity allow it to equip stripminers.
Yes this totally wouldn't be monstrously overpowered vs subcapitals. (No. Just, no.) |
Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
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Posted - 2012.06.30 02:17:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:
NO to capitals ever being viable without subcap support.
^ This.
Also, no need for more caps. Titans are bad enough as they are.
http://www.mylootyourtears.com |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
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Posted - 2012.07.01 07:01:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Sounds great, but we need a name for this new and revolutionary type of ship.
I vote we call them Dreadnoughts. Because dreadnoughts totally wield a small amount of turret firepower and a large drone bay.
I think maybe carriers should be given a few turret or launcher hardpoints straight up. It wouldn't improve their DPS, given that a capital turret has less firepower than a fighter, and 1 high slot can be used for either one. But it might lead to some strategic carrier fittings. Though I have a feeling that most carrier pilots would completely avoid putting turrets on their carriers if they could. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
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Kahn Soomer
Beverage Production and Consumption
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:53:00 -
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Carriers were wonderful ships, at least when they were first introduced to the EvE sandbox. In fact, Carriers were so wonderful, that they had to be nerfed.
So, let's give the Carrier Class back some of its love lost:
[PROPOSAL] Give our Carriers some EFFECTIVE FIGHTERS, once again!
After all, it does seem that we should have discovered Tech 3 FIGHTERS by now, doesn't it?
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Ginger555
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:42:00 -
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I have a POS gunner idea on this one ...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129294&find=unread
Sort of a carrier with guns |
Nhi'Khuna
Insidious Design
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:52:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:a new hybrid carrier would be cool if done right. say 8-10 large turrent slots(no capital turrets), combined with a decent drone bay. maybe allow it to field up to 20 drones, but regular drones only no fighters or fighter bombers. No siege or triage just a standard capital class tank. One of these would have tank and DPS equal to 3-4 battleships but be very weak against other capitals. Knida like a muti-pupose ships, for real diversity allow it to equip stripminers.
Just quoting to agree that a carrier with 20 drones on the field and 10 large turret slots would be weak in any way, shape, or form... |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:18:00 -
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Confirming that this new carrier type would also be able to fit warp interdictor bubble + new 1000mn microwarp mini jump drive. |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:32:00 -
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But can it make me a cup of tea? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:56:00 -
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Does it also shine shoes and get the door for me? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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