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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:16:00 -
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It came up in alliance discussion that many CVA members don't like to let their younger family members play due to the amount of swearing, middle fingers etc on public display in local and people's bio's
Convesely there is a word filter on the forums. Why not then also in-game considering the same bio's can be petitioned for offensive content?
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motomysz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:18:00 -
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Eve is a mature game. If one's child has not been exposed to middle fingers or swearing, perhaps Eve Online is not the right game for said child.
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Ohh Yeah
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:19:00 -
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Protip: Minimize chat windows when children are around. It's really not that difficult.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:19:00 -
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 Originally by: motomysz
Eve is a mature game. If one's child has not been exposed to middle fingers or swearing, perhaps Eve Online is not the right game for said child.
Have to agree with the Goon, if something is truely offensive report it. Otherwise accept that this isn't a game for 12 yearolds.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:21:00 -
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Because many people like the swearing, middle fingers on public display, etc so they don't want a filter?
Parental controls don't achieve much. They don't seem to convert that many into real sales in my opinion. If someone needs a filter for the game then they're either too young to pay or too young to understand what is happening.
So how about minimizing local chat and watching what your kids are doing?
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Rinchi
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
It came up in alliance discussion that many CVA members don't like to let their younger family members play due to the amount of swearing, middle fingers etc on public display in local and people's bio's
Convesely there is a word filter on the forums. Why not then also in-game considering the same bio's can be petitioned for offensive content?
If such a filter must be made, it should be client-side so those of us not offended by profanity can turn it off.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:26:00 -
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I dont see how people can flailingly argue that such an optional feature should not be implemented.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage
I dont see how people can flailingly argue that such an optional feature should not be implemented.
Probably because it is extremely easy to get around any word filter in a variety of ways, as this forum proves on a daily basis.
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Leeluvv
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Leeluvv on 01/12/2009 22:37:21
Originally by: Marko Riva
Originally by: motomysz
Eve is a mature game. If one's child has not been exposed to middle fingers or swearing, perhaps Eve Online is not the right game for said child.
Have to agree with the Goon, if something is truely offensive report it. Otherwise accept that this isn't a game for 12 yearolds.
Kinda funny that the game has a PEGI rating of 12+ then....
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Wesfahrn
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wesfahrn on 01/12/2009 22:39:43
Besides what is a word filter going to do with all the "animations" of p.e.n.i.s.e.s and gangbangs and middle fingers people have in bios and paste in local.
A word filter is only going to hurt the ones who recognize responsiblity, but sometimes want to express themselves using the S word or F word for that matter -they are words of expression and not ALWAYS bad.
Learn your kids that expressing yourself requires responsiblity, and people showing all the absurd stuff and acting childish are just that...
Just let us responsible people keep our vocabulary.
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:40:00 -
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I remember when i was a kid. I swore alot. 
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VooDooPimp
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: VooDooPimp on 01/12/2009 22:42:33
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
It came up in alliance discussion that many CVA members don't like to let their younger family members play due to the amount of swearing, middle fingers etc on public display in local and people's bio's
I'm sure many CVA members don't like to let their children watch p_orn or play w/ real guns. My point is, just because something is available to the general public does not mean it must be child proof. Not everything is for children and if you need CCP to do your job as a parent you might have bigger problems than jerks that only communicate by cussing.
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:44:00 -
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I'd like to see the option, but my kids play just fine without it.
I simply expand the Player side of the chat window to take up almost all of the window. It breaks up the ASCII art, and makes the text pretty well unintelligible. Any other tab that's questionable is closed.
Besides, they know local is only good for intel. 
Not to mention they're playing alongside me, and I've podded them for being little jackasses in local before 
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Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Convesely there is a word filter on the forums. Why not then also in-game considering the same bio's can be petitioned for offensive content?
I should petition your name for having a hardcore drug reference.
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Wesley Hawkins
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:55:00 -
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why shouldn't CCP implement a word/image filter ingame?
Beause ccp isn't the parents of your kids...
How many of us saw/heard bad words/images when we where young.
parents today have their roles as a parent confused. As a parent its not our job to shelter our kid(s), Its our role to teach them right from wrong and what is appropriate and inappropriate, there's no need for a censor just a need for parents to step up and explain to thier kid(s) that there is a time and place for certain words and pictures. just my opinion tho
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Leeluvv
Kinda funny that the game has a PEGI rating of 12+ then....
If I understand it correctly the PEGI rating is based purely on the developer created content and does not apply to anything player created which is not rated at all.
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Nuala Reece
Caldari
Pilots of Damnation
death from above..
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: brutoid
I remember when i was a kid. I swore alot.
This.
The game has a teen rating - good luck finding a teenager who doesn't already encounter more swearing, 'obscene' gestures and gutter humour every day at school than you'd find in an average 2-4 hour session in Eve.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:01:00 -
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EVE chat is not rated, hence the lack of a word filter.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Leeluvv
Kinda funny that the game has a PEGI rating of 12+ then....
"Online interactions not rated by the ESRB"
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:30:00 -
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Also, a lot of adults don't like swearing in-game, especially when it is obviously either totally un-necessary (and I mean way beyond a good, well timed swear word) or when it is there purely to offend as many people as possible
In most countries, games ratings are purely advisory and not legally binding. And after having seen that video of the two little kids watching the dominion trailer, it should be obvious that young children are interested in the games they see their parents or elder siblings play and naturally want to play themselves
An optional client side filter sounds like a really good idea, and if it hasn't been done already, I'm gonna suggest it on features/ideas forum
And I've no idea why one guy thinks my name refers to a hardcore drug (It's clearly derived from my spoon shaped thumbs as you can see from the image linked in my bio)
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Cellmate Bubba
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:40:00 -
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GO F.U CK YOURSELF
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Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:43:00 -
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this isint game for 12 yeard old.
This is game where adult can act like 12 year old and get away with it
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Zyper
Minmatar
Wyo Wolves
Confederate Empire Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:44:00 -
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If you don't want them exposed to swearing....then why do you want them to play a game where they try and KILL OTHER PEOPLE......
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:46:00 -
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An optional client side bad-word filter WOULD be nice, for those of us who do not appreciate offensive language.
I mean, seriously, nobody is really upset on the fact that CCP censors political/religious statements on the forum, but they get upset when some of us would like a way to filter out racist and vulgar words?
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 01/12/2009 23:50:31
Originally by: Siddy
this isint game for 12 yeard old.
This is game where adult can act like 12 year old and get away with it
Thought that was WoW? Maybe you can go play there with real 12 year olds
Edit: also sorry for cross-posting, but here is the link to the proposal: Linkage
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:55:00 -
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This subject seems to come up from time to time and I'll always have the same answers for it:
If your child can deal with the ruthless, backstabbing, and emotionally violent world that is EVE then swearing is nothing and you are overreacting. If you worried about "adult subjects" (which I believe are far too taboo in western society) one can create a perfectly XXX rated situation without using a single curse word.
Freedom of speech is something that should be adhered too as closely as possible. Yes, I know Europe doesn't have the same conception of Freedom of Speech as Americans do, but I feel there are many things Europeans are backwards and peasantish about, this being one of them.
Please do tell why coms in 0.0 space, a place of utter ruthlessness or even low-sec, a supposedly shady part of the universe would have word filters?
So 3 reasons:
1. Anyone childish enough to be harmed by 'bad words' doesn't belong on EVE.
2. Human Rights are always a good thing even if used for discomforting ends.
3. It breaks the 4th wall.
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.02 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
This subject seems to come up from time to time and I'll always have the same answers for it:
If your child can deal with the ruthless, backstabbing, and emotionally violent world that is EVE then swearing is nothing and you are overreacting. If you worried about "adult subjects" (which I believe are far too taboo in western society) one can create a perfectly XXX rated situation without using a single curse word.
Freedom of speech is something that should be adhered too as closely as possible. Yes, I know Europe doesn't have the same conception of Freedom of Speech as Americans do, but I feel there are many things Europeans are backwards and peasantish about, this being one of them.
Please do tell why coms in 0.0 space, a place of utter ruthlessness or even low-sec, a supposedly shady part of the universe would have word filters?
So 3 reasons:
1. Anyone childish enough to be harmed by 'bad words' doesn't belong on EVE.
2. Human Rights are always a good thing even if used for discomforting ends.
3. It breaks the 4th wall.
Eve is also an open-ended sandbox, and there is no rule saying you have to be ruthless, backstabing and/or emotionally violent
What about people who mine and then get their kids to be the hauler?
The 4th wall argument is weak. In RL, you can't just throw up a billboard with swear words all over it. It's reasonable to expect that in the Eve universe, there are children who live in space and see some of the same stuff capsuleers would. As well as associated 'concerned parents' of said children
As for American 'freedoms', most European countries don't invade other countries to force them to be free whilst buddying up to others (China F.E.) that obviously aren't
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2009.12.02 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
The 4th wall argument is weak. In RL, you can't just throw up a billboard with swear words all over it. It's reasonable to expect that in the Eve universe, there are children who live in space and see some of the same stuff capsuleers would. As well as associated 'concerned parents' of said children
No, but I can talk to someone however I want. Would you stop everyone you hear swearing while out with your kids? No. You take your kids somewhere else. Here's a tip. When I take my kids out in public I stuff them into a small sound/fire/water/air...er....not air proof box so nothing will harm them.
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Efferil
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Posted - 2009.12.02 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Efferil on 02/12/2009 00:28:58
Try not to make this descend into some mud-slinging political debate please :P
Anyway, going to repost what I said in the Features & Ideas thread.
One thing to note: ESRB is NOT PEGI, so while ESRB might not do anything about it or care, it'd seem that PEGI would.
PEGI
Or more specifically.
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License holders will use their best endeavours to ensure that online services under their control are kept free of content which is illegal, offensive, racist, degrading, corrupting, threatening, obscene or which might permanently impair the development of young people
Optional client side word filter = Less petitions about offensive bios = Less GM time spent on it.
It also means that you can keep your +12 rating as PEGI Online won't be getting a lot of complaints.
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Maikki Alfirid
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Posted - 2009.12.02 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
What about people who mine and then get their kids to be the hauler?
I think those parents should find other ways to spend quality time with their children.
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