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Sim Cognito	Posted - 2009.12.02 20:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Sim Cognito on 02/12/2009 20:26:00 Don't you think the topic of mining should be raised to the new CSM? Mining currently has enormous problems.I love mining but it is highly neglected. 1)It is too afk friendly there should be a mechanic to make it more engaging and interesting like many people have suggested(laser frequencies,multi ore asteroids and so on).This would ** up seriously** macro miners as well making mining more profitable overall at the same time. 2)Ore:System Secutiry transition is awful.Low-sec ores are junk so to make a profit people need to move from high sec ore straight to high end(thing which many miners can't do since they dont have access to high end ore) 3)The procurer and the covetor skill requirements do not make any sense at all.Why get a procurer when you can get a retriever in a few hours?Procurer needs a rework. Why does the covetor require mining barge V?It already requires astrogeology V.By the time you get both(which is rougly a month of training for a newbie)you will be hours away from the hulk.Now, cost/disposability are not real uses lets face it..the requirements should be Astrogeology V and mining barge IV to effectively fill the retriever>hulk gap. Same applies to the procurer it needs a skill requirement rework so it is viable.Many people also say that it can be outmined by an osprey.The truth is it can but you will need cruiser IV and if a new miner doesnt train cruisers at all the procurer is his best choice I hope you agree with me that mining needs some serious "love" from CCP because it's a wonderful and immersive proffesion in my opinion which is plagued by the above problems. Thank you very much,I hope someone can create a more organized and well written thread and post it in the assembly hall.
Lacolo Basema Kotar Engineering	Posted - 2009.12.02 20:29:00 - [2] CCP have already stated they are going to rework mining. I can recomend watching this
Alt0101	Posted - 2009.12.02 21:39:00 - [3] Totally agree with the idea about changes are needed to make mining less boring. I'm one of those idiots who, soon after start playing EVE and felt a bit lost about what to do, found the Halada's miners guide and though: Hey, that's cool! I'll be the best miner ever. After 2 months of training skills and saving Isk I find my self sitting in a retry, chewing roids, paying 2 accounts (1 mine, another hauls)and still training skills and saving isk for a Hulk. And for what? Mining is so deathly boring that I use to watch T.V, have dinner, surf internet, playing OTHER games.. So, if I have to pay 2 accounts to do whatever is better than actually play the game... something must be wrong. Hey, what about if CCP install some of those Concord billboards at the belts? At least we'd watch some T.V while mining w/out having to ALT+TAB every 3 minutes. I know that this is for Empire and that mining in 0.0 things are different, but, in which way? Solo mining in low/null sec with a defenseless barge is like be a sitting duck for OTHERS have fun killing you. Joining a 0.0 corp is same than mining in Empire, different ores but, again, you just sit for hours like a bot doing.. well.. nothing. I think I'll give up and choose another path, even that I like the Industrial Role of the game. I like the Role of go out, get minerals from the asteroids, use them to build stuff and so on.. but, hell!, why it has to be so damn boring?
Borun Tal Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.02 23:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Sim Cognito Edited by: Sim Cognito on 02/12/2009 20:26:00 Don't you think the topic of mining should be raised to the new CSM? Mining currently has enormous problems.I love mining but it is highly neglected. The only problem I see with mining is the insane number of Hulks in high-sec. But I'm probably the only person that thinks that.
Alt0101	Posted - 2009.12.02 23:24:00 - [5] Maybe because the Hulk is the "ONLY" top-end ship for miners? After 2-3 Months of training, if you are a miner, you'll be in a Hulk. No matter which race you are. how many Raven would you expect to see in hight sec if this were the only one BS available in the game? proly much more than hulks.
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.12.03 05:17:00 - [6] Asteroids with Frikken Laser Beams on their heads....that's what mining needs to make it less boring. Let them shoot back! ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
florin2001ro	Posted - 2009.12.03 10:52:00 - [7] some ppl dunno nothing.im not a miner i have 2 chars[i can fly hulks with them] im in 0.0 best ore in game are in our region arkonor and bistot u guys u have no ideeas how much isk i can make and all ppl must train for t2 crystals +50% or amount verry important and if u are a real miner must have 3 chars 2 hulks one haul i prefer ratting mining is boring for me i do that when i drink o bere or im verry tired and now i dont understand ppl can stay in empire?now is a npc tax 11% so go and enjoy a ****in corp is big difference in eve high sec and 0.0 be real
Taelech Caldari Caldari Design and Cryogenics	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:14:00 - [8] Dude, they just gave us an operational IGB! That makes mining much more interesting. Taelech - Professor emeritus - Caldari Business Tribunal School of Law
Etherials Gallente Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.03 16:04:00 - [9] Dual screens + Evemon 'Fit to X screen' FTW, normallywhile mining I will be browsing 3+ forums/web sites and working on myserver via remote desktop, while running a second account for hauling. After trying the IGB the other day i found no diferecnce from before dominion so i will be continuing to copy URL's to a proper browser. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fear accompanies the possibility of death. Calm shepherds its certainty. - Ka D'Argo
Janann	Posted - 2009.12.03 16:45:00 - [10] I think that it would be cool if there was a random chance when you deplete an asteroid that there was another more concentrated asteroid that was very small but gave you double the yield, and you would have to target it again. That would give people a wake up and make them pay attention.
Hiro Shingami	Posted - 2009.12.03 17:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Alt0101 Totally agree with the idea about changes are needed to make mining less boring. I'm one of those idiots who, soon after start playing EVE and felt a bit lost about what to do, found the Halada's miners guide and though: Hey, that's cool! I'll be the best miner ever. After 2 months of training skills and saving Isk I find my self sitting in a retry, chewing roids, paying 2 accounts (1 mine, another hauls)and still training skills and saving isk for a Hulk. And for what? Mining is so deathly boring that I use to watch T.V, have dinner, surf internet, playing OTHER games.. So, if I have to pay 2 accounts to do whatever is better than actually play the game... something must be wrong. Hey, what about if CCP install some of those Concord billboards at the belts? At least we'd watch some T.V while mining w/out having to ALT+TAB every 3 minutes. I know that this is for Empire and that mining in 0.0 things are different, but, in which way? Solo mining in low/null sec with a defenseless barge is like be a sitting duck for OTHERS have fun killing you. Joining a 0.0 corp is same than mining in Empire, different ores but, again, you just sit for hours like a bot doing.. well.. nothing. I think I'll give up and choose another path, even that I like the Industrial Role of the game. I like the Role of go out, get minerals from the asteroids, use them to build stuff and so on.. but, hell!, why it has to be so damn boring? PvP alt = problem solved :) Instead of watching T.V, I'll have my miner sitting on roids while I have my PvP Pirate alt in another window roaming and blowing stuff up. While my miner sits and makes money I can feel safe pirating knowing that I have a great source of income. Anyways, I still completely agree with the OP. I've done every kind of mining possible and in every environment possible. Fact is, it's all the same, and really boring.
Alt0101	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Asteroids with Frikken Laser Beams on their heads....that's what mining needs to make it less boring. Let them shoot back! LOL I must love that What about if: 1 rats spawn in x2 the actual numbers and/or in 1/2 the time 2 you can't left your combat drones in auto, so you have to lock and send drones against rats one by one 3 the bounty prices must be decreased so you end with the same average 4 more roids in the belt but with less ore each so you have to use the scanner in order to choose the most rich ones and avoid complete a 3 minute cycle for just 100 units ore left. That would increase the micromanagement of mining making it less boring and also more difficult for macros.
Ukucia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Ukucia on 03/12/2009 18:23:28 Originally by: Alt0101 Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Asteroids with Frikken Laser Beams on their heads....that's what mining needs to make it less boring. Let them shoot back! LOL I must love that What about if: 1 rats spawn in x2 the actual numbers and/or in 1/2 the time 2 you can't left your combat drones in auto, so you have to lock and send drones against rats one by one 3 the bounty prices must be decreased so you end with the same average 4 more roids in the belt but with less ore each so you have to use the scanner in order to choose the most rich ones and avoid complete a 3 minute cycle for just 100 units ore left. That would increase the micromanagement of mining making it less boring and also more difficult for macros. Please don't make any more suggestions. 1) Rats aren't a threat to any competent miner. 2) Yes, you can leave your drones on 'auto'. When the rat comes and shoots at you, the drones will happily fly over and destroy the rat. 4) You can click on the laser before the cycle is up. You will receive a quantity of ore based on how long you let the laser go. Ex: if you get 1000m3 in 3 minutes, you will get 500m3 if you turn off the laser at 1.5 minutes. All of this would be trivial to macro. In fact, macros can play the entire PvE game. There is no possible change to the PvE game that makes macros permanently ineffective.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Asteroids with Frikken Laser Beams on their heads....that's what mining needs to make it less boring. Let them shoot back! Ever mined "The Blockade"?
Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2009.12.03 19:05:00 - [15] Originally by: florin2001ro some ppl dunno nothing.im not a miner i have 2 chars[i can fly hulks with them] im in 0.0 best ore in game are in our region arkonor and bistot u guys u have no ideeas how much isk i can make and all ppl must train for t2 crystals +50% or amount verry important and if u are a real miner must have 3 chars 2 hulks one haul i prefer ratting mining is boring for me i do that when i drink o bere or im verry tired and now i dont understand ppl can stay in empire?now is a npc tax 11% so go and enjoy a ****in corp is big difference in eve high sec and 0.0 be real I heard proper punctution and paragraphs makes posts easier to read and will make people read them instead of pointing and laughing. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.12.04 02:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Asteroids with Frikken Laser Beams on their heads....that's what mining needs to make it less boring. Let them shoot back! Ever mined "The Blockade"? I don't mine any more, but I'm sure I must have in the past - I've mined most of them. Dominix tanking the rats, while the hulks work the roids, if I'm thinking of the right mission space. Back when I was able to triple box I was able to do such things. Right now I'm struggling to dual box. ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
OMG ItsATrap	Posted - 2009.12.04 10:18:00 - [17] Seriously? Like every other update/expansion has some new toy or boost for mining and you don't think CCP is listening to you?

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