Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 04:28:00 -
[1]
I have an idea for a nullspace university called OUCH, which will do something similar in nullsec as Eve University does in highsec. Except it will be very different, 'cause it'll be in nullsec.
I'm inviting discussion on this idea on either of the two following forums:
My blog: The Open University of Celestial Hardship
Google Wave: O.U.C.H. - Open University of Celestial Hardship
Please feel free to add your thoughts, opinions, feedback or interest in being involved on any of those forums. The preference is in Google Wave, (as quite a bit of discussion is already there) but I understand most people aren't on it yet.
Thank you for your interest!
|
batloard
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 04:58:00 -
[2]
Edited by: batloard on 03/12/2009 04:58:18 First and foremost, I think this is an excellent idea. Getting new people into 0.0 is essential for the continued existence of most 0.0 corporations.
A couple of questions to start you off?
Have you thought of where to base this academy? How would you deal with locals?
What would distinguish you from projects such as Agony Unleashed or Eve-U?
-Bat [DMNA]
|
Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr Trigrams Edge
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 05:34:00 -
[3]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan Edited by: Alexia Morgan on 03/12/2009 04:44:17 I have an idea for a nullspace university called OUCH, which will do something similar in nullsec as Eve University does in highsec. Except it will be very different, 'cause it'll be in nullsec.
I'm inviting discussion on this idea on either of the two following forums (or this forum if you can't be bothered going to the following):
My blog: The Open University of Celestial Hardship
Google Wave: O.U.C.H. - Open University of Celestial Hardship
Please feel free to add your thoughts, opinions, feedback or interest in being involved on any of those forums. The preference is in Google Wave, (as quite a bit of discussion is already there) but I understand most people aren't on it yet.
Thank you for your interest!
Sounds like a good idea, dont just blog it do it woman!
|
monomatic
Minmatar Space Perverts D0GS OF WAR
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 05:57:00 -
[4]
Originally by: batloard Edited by: batloard on 03/12/2009 04:58:18 First and foremost, I think this is an excellent idea. Getting new people into 0.0 is essential for the continued existence of most 0.0 corporations.
A couple of questions to start you off?
Have you thought of where to base this academy? How would you deal with locals?
What would distinguish you from projects such as Agony Unleashed or Eve-U?
-Bat [DMNA]
OMG please pick fountain and not syndicate
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 05:58:00 -
[5]
Good questions.
Where to base the university?
OUCH training activities and pilot residency can be in any region or systems that are allowed to them by participating (blue) alliances.
I'm thinking that alliances choosing to participate would be blue to OUCH, and vice versa (but those alliances might still be red to each other). OUCH would be neutral to everyone else, and it would be hoped that everyone else would be neutral to OUCH. This can still allow for PVP action between OUCH and neutral alliances. There could be times when hostile alliances (or corps) might be red to OUCH as well, which just gives more options for PVP.
If an alliance or alliances allow OUCH to 'live' in their area of space, that'd be great. Pilots would have to join OUCH before they enter 0.0 space, which would mean they become blue to those participating alliances that control the area.
How would you deal with the locals?
If OUCH becomes focused on training PVP, then having scouts would be an essential part of it. If there is a Scouting Division, for example, threats to training activities would be noticed and alerts provided to OUCH pilots via intel channels. Since it's all about PVP-oriented training, all members of OUCH will be ready to fight at all times if their training is interrupted.
What would distinguish you from other universities?
Agony Unleashed is based in Empire, does their training in Empire, and uses nullspace for their training missions. A lot of people call them pirates. Nullspace is where they go to look for fights because they can be pirates without losing their security status. And they can always run back to Empire when things get too hot.
Eve University (Ivy League) is based in Empire and its members are not permitted in nullspace at all. All combat is in Empire, therefore their options for PVP are limited only to what Empire allows.
OUCH would be based entirely in nullspace and its members can go into Empire or stay in nullspace. OUCH members would be taught how to survive and thrive in nullspace, where there is nowhere to run, and all they have is their own wits.
I'm also imagining that OUCH would be supported (with either ship donations or ISK, etc) by nullspace corps and alliances that want to send their pilots to OUCH for nullspace PVP training. In return for their support, they get a dedicated training environment for their pilots.
OUCH would also be blue to participating alliances, even if those alliances are red to each other. OUCH would not support participating alliances against each other, and would only attack neutrals or reds.
What am I looking for?
I'm looking for people that can help me set this up. I'm looking for alliances that want to support this. I'm looking for a place that OUCH can call home, provided by a supporting alliance. I'm looking for people that want to become trainers, and people that want to be trained in nullspace.
If I get enough interest, this will be something I'll move forward with. If the interest is only "This is a good idea!" but nothing else comes of it, then it'll fade away.
For this to succeed, it needs a lot of people to be involved. I need offers of support and participation.
Do you want to be involved?
Contact me in-game or by email if you do.
|
Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 06:40:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Amanda Wilkins on 03/12/2009 06:41:15
Originally by: Alexia Morgan
Agony Unleashed is based in Empire, does their training in Empire, and uses nullspace for their training missions. A lot of people call them pirates. Nullspace is where they go to look for fights because they can be pirates without losing their security status. And they can always run back to Empire when things get too hot.
You don't know Agony, do you?
They base out of 0.0 and live there. Piracy is forbidden to any member of Agony.
Your concept is similar to Rage Academy, which is/was the training wing of Euphoria Releashed. Tbh, nothing new and not really something for CAOD. Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 06:55:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Alexia Morgan on 03/12/2009 06:55:24 Thanks for the clarification.
My comment about Agony was based on this:
"We do not focus on empire warfare, but rather we take our students into 0.0 to fight anyone and everyone who presents themselves as a target of opportunity..."
It made me think that if students are 'taken into 0.0' then it must mean Agony doesn't actually live in 0.0. Maybe they should change their wording...
Anyway, I did a bit more reading and found this:
"Currently, our classes focus on the use of frigates, destroyers, and cruisers as the foundation of pvp."
OUCH will not just focus on small T1 ships. It will also include training for battleships and T2 ships, including interceptors, recons, HACs, interdictors, etc etc.
That could be the most important part of OUCH. My idea is that it will train you for anything in nullspace, but the ships will be provided by the pilots themselves, or by participating alliances if they wish.
Being in nullspace, however, there is always a risk that the ships will be lost in battle. But you can't learn how to use them properly if you don't risk losing them. At the end of the day, ships are just tools to use. Some are just a bit more expensive than others.
|
Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 06:58:00 -
[8]
It would be a good idea for you to do an Agony basic class. You would get to know more about PVP as well as about Agony - and you don't seem to know much about either. Know the competition, if you want to succeed in any business. Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 08:06:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Alexia Morgan on 03/12/2009 08:07:20 I knew someone would say something like that. :)
I won't be the one doing the training, and therefore I don't need to be the expert on PVP. I just need to be able to gather together a bunch of people who ARE experts who can help me do the job.
|
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 08:17:00 -
[10]
While we wish you the best of luck with your training school and welcome some healthy competition (frankly we have trouble meeting demand), please check our web-site to make sure you have the correct information about our Corporation.
Our Rules of Engagement and Corporate Rules are both publicly available and make it clear that we're not a pirate organisation. Shooting targets of opportunity in 0.0 is not piracy.
Originally by: Alexia Morgan Edited by: Alexia Morgan on 03/12/2009 06:55:24 Thanks for the clarification.
My comment about Agony was based on this:
"We do not focus on empire warfare, but rather we take our students into 0.0 to fight anyone and everyone who presents themselves as a target of opportunity..."
It made me think that if students are 'taken into 0.0' then it must mean Agony doesn't actually live in 0.0. Maybe they should change their wording...
This wording is correct. We travel to one of our high-sec rear logistics bases and collect our students, who are then taken through high-sec, low-sec and into 0.0. Many of our students don't have the first clue about getting to 0.0, so we go get them.
Agony currently operates out of our Syndicate Forward Operating Base. We have 4 such bases in different 0.0 regions and we rotate through. Eventually targets start to dry up and we move to another of our bases. Our classes may be run near our current base or any of the others, depending on targets. We like to operate our classes in a target rich environment.
We are a 0.0 based PvP organisation that also runs a PvP University.
Originally by: Alexia Morgan
Anyway, I did a bit more reading and found this:
"Currently, our classes focus on the use of frigates, destroyers, and cruisers as the foundation of pvp."
While our classes do tend to focus on newer players and smaller ships, we do operate all classes of ship in our general PvP Operations. We have open Alumni roams, where any class of ship is allowed.
We are always developing new classes. Currently we offer Basic (Frigate), Wolfpacks (Destroyer), Advanced (Cruiser) and Covert Ops. Our FC Seminars, Fly-bys, Capital Operations, Stealth Bombers and other courses are only run occasionally - we try not to overload ourselves with courses. We like to PvP most of the time and don't just spend our time teaching.
I hope this clarifies it a bit. Feel free to contact myself or any of our other directors should you need further info on what Agony is and waht we are not.
______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 08:38:00 -
[11]
Thank you for the information, but with all due respect - I don't care. And please understand this is not a forum for you to advertise your university in, but I'm aware I have no control over that.
This is a place for the discussion of how we can start a 0.0-based university for T1 and T2 PVP training in 0.0 space, hopefully with the participation of various corps and alliances that might want to use it as a neutral training ground for their pilots.
Thank you.
|
Faekurias
Caldari Raptus Regalitor Black Legion.
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 08:53:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan please understand this is not a forum for you to advertise your university in
Originally by: Alexia Morgan
I have an idea for a nullspace university called OUCH
nais
Recruiting |
Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 09:09:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan Thank you for the information, but with all due respect - I don't care. And please understand this is not a forum for you to advertise your university in, but I'm aware I have no control over that.
This is a place for the discussion of how we can start a 0.0-based university for T1 and T2 PVP training in 0.0 space, hopefully with the participation of various corps and alliances that might want to use it as a neutral training ground for their pilots.
Thank you.
Isn't your forum, but the CAOD... maybe you should check your objections at the door? Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
|
Steel Rig
Caldari Tactical Response Group Undivided
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 09:11:00 -
[14]
Originally by: monomatic OMG please pick fountain and not syndicate
OMG please join his alliance so he can scam you out of your isk too!
Sorry to derail the subjet. Continue.
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 09:13:00 -
[15]
You're right. It was stupid of me to try and have a discussion about my idea, without thinking that others would turn it into advertisements for their own interests. I'm such a moron.
No worries. Discussion will continue on Google Wave or my blog (where I can delete any comments that add no value) but I'll not worry about this particular forum any more.
Cheers
|
Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 09:25:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan You're right. It was stupid of me to try and have a discussion about my idea, without thinking that others would turn it into advertisements for their own interests. I'm such a moron.
No worries. Discussion will continue on Google Wave or my blog (where I can delete any comments that add no value) but I'll not worry about this particular forum any more.
Cheers
Yes, because maturity isn't required to run a PVP university...
Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
|
Rakessh
Caldari Arachnea Phoenix Battalion Phalanx Alliance
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 09:33:00 -
[17]
You're on to something here, but this is something most successful alliances in EvE would already be doing by running their own "undercover" training corporations for their own alliances needs - Hence why most successful alliances are NOT openly recruiting. They get their recruits by other means (this).
So a "neutral" training corp for multiple alliances I really don't see happening (or working properly).
I would suggest you do start this up, but instead cater for your own alliance only, and keep it low key.
CEO Arachnea Phoenix Battalion |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 10:04:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 03/12/2009 10:08:41
Originally by: Alexia Morgan Thank you for the information, but with all due respect - I don't care. And please understand this is not a forum for you to advertise your university in, but I'm aware I have no control over that.
This is a place for the discussion of how we can start a 0.0-based university for T1 and T2 PVP training in 0.0 space, hopefully with the participation of various corps and alliances that might want to use it as a neutral training ground for their pilots.
Thank you.
I am not interested in a slanging match, but if you post incorrect information about our corp, we have the right to correct inconsistencies in your statements.
I'm not interested in advertising. We have more than enough students. We welcome healthy competition.
I wish you well in your endeavours, but reserve the right of reply to correct any statement made about Agony. A little research before making statements will go a long way in establishing your credibility - I've offered assistance, but if you're not interested then that's fine.
Edit: there are also mistakes in your description of Eve University - an organisation which we understand well as they offer some similar services and, as such, we take an interest in their activities. I'll leave them to correct your statements there.
______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion.
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 10:48:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Winters Chill on 03/12/2009 10:51:21
Originally by: Amanda Wilkins
You don't know Agony, do you?
<insert cypherous bull**** here>
You don't really get eve... Do you?
Hey guys, lets compartmentalize so we don't tread on each others toes, that will make EvE awesome.
|
Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 12:57:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan Thank you for the information, but with all due respect - I don't care. And please understand this is not a forum for you to advertise your university in, but I'm aware I have no control over that.
This is a place for the discussion of how we can start a 0.0-based university for T1 and T2 PVP training in 0.0 space, hopefully with the participation of various corps and alliances that might want to use it as a neutral training ground for their pilots.
Thank you.
So you falsly post information about a competitor, and then dont care when they pull you up on it, and set you straight with facts?
Your alternative is to only allow a medium where you can heavily moderate what others say, and now plan to form a business model around it?
Personally, I see your chance of success being somewhat higher if you consider addressing these issues first, and then set off in the right direction. It seems that maybe to begin with you have set the wrong example for yourself, and would highly benefit assessing if this is the correct standard.
I would be interested to see how your business model pans out, and really do wish you the best of luck.
|
|
Aizu Intaki
Gallente Lodizal Shield Tek Lodizal Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 13:31:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan You're right. It was stupid of me to try and have a discussion about my idea, without thinking that others would turn it into advertisements for their own interests. I'm such a moron.
No worries. Discussion will continue on Google Wave or my blog (where I can delete any comments that add no value) but I'll not worry about this particular forum any more.
Cheers
Correction: It was stupid of you to try to summarize one of your few potential competitors as something a large chunk of EvE knows they're not. It reveals your ignorance of the topic at hand. It was further foolish to stomp off childishly when corrected, again misinterpreting the correction of your misrepresentation as nothing more than an advertisement. These things make it difficult to take your idea seriously.
Free advice: learn to take criticism without being so defensive.
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 13:49:00 -
[22]
I wrote a post yesterday about you people, little realising I'd be encountering you so soon.
OUCH
"If there's one thing I dislike more than Crying Carebears, it's Elitist Scumbags. You know the ones... They think they're better than you because of their position, status or skills, and they'll go out of their way to remind you of it."
Please feel free to continue crying about how wonderful you all are.
And for the rest of you who are sick of such attitudes, I look forward to you talking to me about your future.
|
Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 14:08:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Alexia Morgan I wrote a post yesterday about you people, little realising I'd be encountering you so soon.
OUCH
"If there's one thing I dislike more than Crying Carebears, it's Elitist Scumbags. You know the ones... They think they're better than you because of their position, status or skills, and they'll go out of their way to remind you of it."
Please feel free to continue crying about how wonderful you all are.
And for the rest of you who are sick of such attitudes, I look forward to you talking to me about your future.
That really hasn't happened - it's purely your attitude and defensive poise that has caused all this.
You were corrected on false statements you made, and then decided to compound the issue with your reaction by saying you were taking this away from public forums towards a censored medium where you are purely in control to remove any forum of criticism.
How do you think you are able to execute a well thought out business model if you are unable to be criticized?
really, rethink and repost - it may just be that you can avoid your "Joe Phoenixism" and salvage a little bit of dignity
|
Alexia Morgan
Minmatar Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 14:15:00 -
[24]
I provided the reasons for my statements, and I stand by them.
All I've seen from a number of people on here is: "Waaah! Our university is better than yours! Waaah! You don't even understand us, how can you create your own university! Waah! We're so much better than you!"
I didn't realise I was competing (but since that's been pointed out to me, i can understand why there's such crying - maybe it's fear or something that's driving such negative passion), nor did I realise I had to provide a business model. How ******ed. It's a freakin' game.
All I'm doing is throwing out an idea for people to express an interest. I didn't intend any kind of 'university war'. Get a grip.
|
Nieusha
Gallente Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 14:24:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Nieusha on 03/12/2009 14:25:23
Originally by: Alexia Morgan You're right. It was stupid of me to try and have a discussion about my idea, without thinking that others would turn it into advertisements for their own interests. I'm such a moron.
No worries. Discussion will continue on Google Wave or my blog (where I can delete any comments from meany poopy head people who hurt my feelings) but I'll not worry about this particular forum any more.
Cheers
fixed
|
Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 14:25:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Lightningshade on 03/12/2009 14:26:28
Originally by: Alexia Morgan I provided the reasons for my statements, and I stand by them.
All I've seen from a number of people on here is: "Waaah! Our university is better than yours! Waaah! You don't even understand us, how can you create your own university! Waah! We're so much better than you!"
I didn't realise I was competing (but since that's been pointed out to me, i can understand why there's such crying - maybe it's fear or something that's driving such negative passion), nor did I realise I had to provide a business model. How ******ed. It's a freakin' game.
All I'm doing is throwing out an idea for people to express an interest. I didn't intend any kind of 'university war'. Get a grip.
ok - If you look through previous posts, it's you that has taken the defensive stance and is crying right now. You really can't take criticism, even when you are stating incorrect facts about other corps/alliances.
Your ideas offer a differing USP than potential competition out there, the only real thing that will hold you back right now is your attitude
Imagine another large alliance is looking at these posts right now, how do you think they will see you? Do you think they will look in your favor or just seeing you whine?
Really, please consider this advice, try readjustment of your attitude and you may, just may, be able to salvage a little of your plan, hopefully with a little bit of dignity.
|
Christina Bamar
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 15:15:00 -
[27]
Good luck to you, the more new people brought into PvP the better.
A few tips from years of experience. 1) Develop a thick skin. No matter what you do people will attack you for it, and the only reasonable reaction is to ignore it. A persecution complex isn't going to help you attract students and followers. 2) It takes lots of time and dedication. Yes EVE is a game, but an undertaking like this isn't an easy one. Agony would have never survived if it hadn't been for a lot of people putting in real dedication to the cause, and continuing to bust their asses today. 3) Know your stuff. People are remarkably good at telling the difference between someone who actually knows what they're talking about and someone who pretends to know what they're talking about. Be well-prepared, know what you're talking about, and be willing to admit when you don't know the answer to something. No one knows everything in EVE and it's better to admit you don't know the answer to a question than to try to BS your way through it. 4) Blue free is the way to be. Be neutral and shoot everyone. The way we run things is that students are friendly as long as they're in an Agony gang, once they leave then they're targets again. Maintaining blues leads to fewer targets, more political BS, and just generally less fun. You'll also get more respect by being truly independent, and fighting above your weight class.
Either way, hope things work out for you.
CEO, Agony Unleashed |
Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
|
Posted - 2009.12.03 18:18:00 -
[28]
Alexia, its definitely a good idea and I'm all for getting more people out into PvP. I think what you need to concentrate on right now is getting together a bunch of people who are the PvP experts and are willing to give up some of their time to help train your recruits. Once you're armed with those guys you can start to flesh out a plan but you really need the expertise on board before you start berating people for correcting your mistakes.
For what its worth you really should enroll at least an alt with all the competition so you can get an idea of what's out there. THen you'll have an idea of what they're doing right, what you think they're doing wrong, and exactly how you think you can do better.
You also forgot Seppuku Warriors from your training corp list (http://www.seppuku-warriors.net/) not to mention a whole heap of pirate academies.
Read my Piracy Blog
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |