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demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:20:00 - [1] i was just wanting to see what other people thought of [Machariel, dom - pve] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Domination 100MN Afterburner Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x4 Hobgoblin II x5 (hards set for angels) for a missioning fit i prob wont use faction ammo for a cost factor but and seeing as ill be moving around i dont think sents would help me all that much any improvements i could make?
Enduros Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:50:00 - [2] Loose the CCCs and use projectile ambit extensions, more falloff. With the amount of DPS that thing puts out you don't really need a tank so loose the flux coils for a nanofiber and another TE or a fitting mod if you need it. And then just speedtank. But as I said with the DPS it puts out your not gonna need to worry much about incoming dps. - If you find the post above offensive feel free to feel offended.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.03 16:13:00 - [3] dont ambits get stacked now it already had a 60km fall off
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2009.12.03 16:32:00 - [4] Don't go cheap with tank...
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.03 16:44:00 - [5] [Machariel, dom - pve] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination 100MN Afterburner Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Berserker II x4 Whatever in last highslot. Do not overtank, this thing will mitigate alot of bs dps with its speed. 104km falloff with barrage, 967 dps, 69km with fusion, 1055 dps /without drones/. Tracking is 2 - 2,5x higher than nm with tachys.
Katabrok First Caldari Apukaray Security	Posted - 2009.12.03 16:58:00 - [6] This is my current setup, I already ran AE in it: [Machariel, Angels - AC] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Mizuro's Modified Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L Small Tractor Beam I Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Hobgoblin II x5 Federation Navy Ogre x4 Kata Uma vez flamengo, sempre flamengo.
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 [Machariel, dom - pve] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination 100MN Afterburner Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Berserker II x4 Whatever in last highslot. Do not overtank, this thing will mitigate alot of bs dps with its speed. 104km falloff with barrage, 967 dps, 69km with fusion, 1055 dps /without drones/. Tracking is 2 - 2,5x higher than nm with tachys. by definition putting a pithum a-type is over tanking. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:04:00 - [8] ok ill look for a better booster and maybe a better ab thanks
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:18:00 - [9] Originally by: demonfurbie ok ill look for a better booster and maybe a better ab thanks You dont need all these faction deadspace modules tbh, i just wanted to eft some pimpmobile. Fit xl sb2, 3 hardeners and faction gyros and you will be fine /650 burst tank vs angels/.
Katabrok First Caldari Apukaray Security	Posted - 2009.12.04 11:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Manu Hermanus stuff... by definition putting a pithum a-type is over tanking. Why would it be overtanking? I'm using a Large Pith b-type, and it was a close call on AE bonus room. After some boosting, I started to go down under 33% cap, and then I had to cut on the boosting. Kata Uma vez flamengo, sempre flamengo.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.04 11:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Katabrok First Originally by: Manu Hermanus stuff... by definition putting a pithum a-type is over tanking. Why would it be overtanking? I'm using a Large Pith b-type, and it was a close call on AE bonus room. After some boosting, I started to go down under 33% cap, and then I had to cut on the boosting. Because it's very cool to show on some forum you can do a lvl 4 with a silly low tank, that really makes your epeen grow. Also because stuff never goes wrong and the person asking about what setup to use knows EXACTLY how to do all the missions ofcourse so he doesn't need any tanking. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.04 12:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Katabrok First ... Originally by: Marko Riva ... Nah, its just experience. Once you learn what to do in l4s, you will not need much tank with 1k dps boat. If you have problems with ae in macha /probably best angel killing ship around/, its clear you dont know exactly what to do... But tbh - i remember doing ae bonus in standard raven with t2 booster /with around 6m sp heh/ - so im not sure how you can have problems with macha and deadspace booster.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.04 15:29:00 - [13] If someone is asking for advise there's a good chance he's not up to speed with doing things properly, so IF you state that you don't need a huge tank then at least be smart enough to add "if you know what you're doing". ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Katabrok First Caldari Apukaray Security	Posted - 2009.12.04 16:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Katabrok First ... Originally by: Marko Riva ... Nah, its just experience. Once you learn what to do in l4s, you will not need much tank with 1k dps boat. If you have problems with ae in macha /probably best angel killing ship around/, its clear you dont know exactly what to do... But tbh - i remember doing ae bonus in standard raven with t2 booster /with around 6m sp heh/ - so im not sure how you can have problems with macha and deadspace booster. Ok, ok, let's go for the Tarp! I know what I am doing, most of the time (eve-survival, 5 years of playing, can fly all races' bs at level 5, blah blah). I've done AE's bonus level in a raven too, probably before you created this char. If you had read my post, you would have seen I said it was a close call. What I meant is that I had to stop boosting, because my cap was getting too low. In no moment I got close to lose my ship. So you coming here to tell that I didn't know what I was doing is not the point. What I questioned was how a SMALL shield booster, even being an a-type, could be considered overtanking, when I, using a large shield booster, only 1 meta-level less than the mentioned small shield, could do one of the missions with biggest dps in game. If I used a small pithum a-type, would I be able to finish the mission? I don't know, and that's why I asked about the overtank. Kata Uma vez flamengo, sempre flamengo.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.04 16:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Marko Riva ... No. If someone is asking advice how to fit ship, it doesnt mean he doesnt know how to fly it /not to mention ops fit was ok except cfcs/. Pithum med tank isnt "silly low" /or without any tanking/ and it doesnt take eve veteran to do l4s with ganktank /tbh all it takes is gank bs and 1 look at eve survival/. And if someone doesnt know what to do /in pve lol/, he just shouldnt fly 1b+ faction bs. To Katabrok : - its PITHUM MED!! Eft it, it permaruns with around 550 angel spec dps /almost same as pith b large but much better cap efficiency/... - btw what was your macha fit for that ae - if i knew that "cap getting low" is "close call" for you, i woudnt even respond
Katabrok First Caldari Apukaray Security	Posted - 2009.12.04 16:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 To Katabrok : - its PITHUM MED!! Eft it, it permaruns with around 550 angel spec dps /almost same as pith b large but much better cap efficiency/... Sorry, my bad. Will look it there. Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 - btw what was your macha fit for that ae It's almost the same I posted above, but here it goes: [Machariel, Angels - AC] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer x 3 Mizuro's Modified Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II x 2 Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II x 2 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L x 7 Small Tractor Beam I Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I x 2 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 - if i knew that "cap getting low" is "close call" for you, i woudnt even respond Good. Close call could was a little too dramatic, but I said in my first post that i had to stop the booster because of cap. But seeing the difference between the ammount boosted with the medium (see, I got it) against the large, I wouldn't feel confident doing missions using the medium shield booster. That's why I questioned the overtank part. It could be enough, and probably is, but it's not overtanking. Well, at least that is my opinion, and everyone is entitled to have his own. Kata Uma vez flamengo, sempre flamengo.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.04 16:54:00 - [17] So : fit i posted - 520 perma, your fit - 232 sustained, 600 reinforced. Btw as i said, you can easily do ae with plain t2 xlsb and 3 hardeners /as i do in nightmare/.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.04 17:40:00 - [18] personally i prefer a better burst tank over a lower perma tank
Adeline Grey	Posted - 2009.12.04 18:30:00 - [19] Originally by: demonfurbie personally i prefer a better burst tank over a lower perma tank I prefer a sustained tank so I can go afk and let drones work, or alt tab and read forums. All PvE ships for me are always perma tanked.
Vherr Arkhar	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:14:00 - [20] Edited by: Vherr Arkhar on 04/12/2009 19:16:18 There is unfortunately not more than one or two missions that are better when moving around. Drop the AB and use a 'slightly' cheaper 2 Small Booster setup. [Machariel, cries] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Thrusters II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I (the thrusters can be anything really - but this one goes over 210m/sec without anything - plenty for missions) Add drones if you like. (small and mediums vs frigates)
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.04 21:20:00 - [21] Edited by: Marko Riva on 04/12/2009 21:22:18 Perhaps I'm just being dumb as I'm no mission runner really but wouldn't this work much better (regardless of the SB used, everyone likes their tanking different). Seems to me this is the optimum between range, tracking, dps and speed? [Machariel, PVE shield] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Domination 100MN Afterburner Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Explosion Dampening Field II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Heavy Nosferatu II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Berserker II x3 Valkyrie II x5 ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Faerana	Posted - 2009.12.04 22:42:00 - [22] Overtanking in PVE terms is generally referring to: Using too many slots for tank that could otherwise be used for other things to improve isk/hour ratio. Not using "better"/"more expensive" modules unless the price difference is so huge even a mission runner would think twice about buying.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.12.04 23:05:00 - [23] Edited by: Proxyyyy on 04/12/2009 23:05:25 demonfurbie you rich bastard! you gunna pvp with that anytime soon? Also sorry i didnt say hey today! i was afk...
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.05 05:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Proxyyyy Edited by: Proxyyyy on 04/12/2009 23:05:25 demonfurbie you rich bastard! you gunna pvp with that anytime soon? Also sorry i didnt say hey today! i was afk... no no that makes up for my losses

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