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Konarr
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Posted - 2009.12.04 03:55:00 -
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Are their any NPC corps post dominion that don't tax? I really hate it when MMOs force the the guild/corp thing down your throat. Corps = obligation, I play games to get away from all of that.
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Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.04 04:05:00 -
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Yeah there are. Send me 100mil and I'll send you the list I have of the corps.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.12.04 04:38:00 -
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No, that's the point.
If you're fussed about it, just start a one-man corp of your own - you give up your wardec immunity, but you give up paying for it, too.
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Konarr
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:04:00 -
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So let me get this straight, No acces to low sec ores, no access to L4+ mission rewards and no access to wormholes isn't punitive enough for casual players we have to be taxed now too or face the possibility of random wardec locking me into dock for who knows how long.
Why do all MMOs hate casual gamers? I have been playing EVE for about a year now and after countless other games I findly felt like this was a game that got it. Not everyone has the ability to sit down and play uninterupted for extended periods of time.
Trade runs and even mining lend themselvs well to players that get phone calls or what not. Sure your limited to content in Hisec space, but their is still a lot to do and you feel like you are making progress. I log in today and find that I am paying an 11% penalty for choosing to treat a game like a GAME rather than a career!
I want to know why they penalize casual players? My real life money spends just as well as the hard core folks and I don't draw on system resources nearly as much.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:21:00 -
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You could always stop paying.. that'd show 'em
 Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:34:00 -
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MMOs don't hate casual gamers nor do they penalize them. They added a MUCH needed tax on the NPC corp. They should've increased the tax to 50% to force players out.
..Oh did I say that?
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Konarr
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Forranz
MMOs don't hate casual gamers nor do they penalize them. They added a MUCH needed tax on the NPC corp. They should've increased the tax to 50% to force players out.
..Oh did I say that?
What is the value of forcing us out. I will NEVER fit into a player corp so basically they want me to stop playing EVE.
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Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:41:00 -
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Eve has a lot of dynamics (such as the wardec system). Pre-dominion, it had a 0% Tax AND immunity to wardecs. That is huge. They increased the tax to 11% so people would be more interested in joining player corps OR making their own.
This, in-a-way, forces players to either 'eat' the tax and stay in their wardec shelter or leave to make their own corp for 11% savings and be able to be wardec'd.
I personally think they should keep squeezing the npc corp
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:49:00 -
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If you've been playing a year, why the hell are you posting in this section? Also, this change was announced a long time ago, maybe pay more attention?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/12/2009 05:51:01
You either
a) Suck at looking for finding corps or
b) Don't even try to search because you're convinced that the type of corp you'd like does not exist.
I'm guessing b.
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Konarr
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Forranz
Eve has a lot of dynamics (such as the wardec system). Pre-dominion, it had a 0% Tax AND immunity to wardecs. That is huge. They increased the tax to 11% so people would be more interested in joining player corps OR making their own.
This, in-a-way, forces players to either 'eat' the tax and stay in their wardec shelter or leave to make their own corp for 11% savings and be able to be wardec'd.
I personally think they should keep squeezing the npc corp
DO you have any idea how much revenue we forgoe by stating with NPC corps? THeir is now realistic way of doing anything in low sec space, wormholes or L4 missions.
I am stuck mining common ores and soloing L3 missions which I enjoyed doing until this change. Wardecs are the reason players like me HAVE to be in NPC corps. When you can't be dedicated to a war effort you have to stay docked. It is so irritating to have some time to play login and find you can't play because your stupid corp is at war again. I paid my membership fee but can't play the stupid game! The only way around it is to be in an NPC corp.
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Ruziel
Minmatar
Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2009.12.04 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Konarr
So let me get this straight, No acces to low sec ores, no access to L4+ mission rewards and no access to wormholes
1) Low sec ores suck more than hisec ones, as far as ISK/m3 (which translates to ISK/hour, so no great loss there, and you have the same access to them as anyone does. You need the exotic minerals? Mine the hisec stuff, sell it an buy the exotics. It's usually more cost effective that way anyway.
2) What's stopping you from L4 missions? All it takes is the right skills and ship. Sure it takes you a longer to gain the standings with "casual play", but nothing is stopping you.
3) Again, what's stopping your from wormholes? Again, all it takes is the right ship and skills. I know plenty of people, some corp members even, that make solo excursions into the lower end wormholes.
Corps do exist that do allow you to do your own thing. Maybe mine is one of the rare ones, but as long as the bills get paid and the towers fueled, you can pretty much do what you want.
The only barrier I see standing in your way is your preconceived notions on what you can and cannot do. As far as the NPC corp tax, you are now paying a small premium for wardec protection, hardly a bank breaking cost. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing being taxed that wasn't before are mission rewards and bounties over 100k, no?
You're already paying the same market taxes that everyone pays. So your market runs and mining are not being levied any additional tax that you and everyone else wasn't already paying. Same goes for the refining "tax".
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.04 06:12:00 -
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I have had my own corp for 2.75 years. I have been wardec'ed once.
By a one man corp.
Locator agent told me he was in a totally different region.
I added him to my buddies list and found that he was never even online at the same time as me.
It lasted for a week.
It had no effect on my game play other than checking if he was online, and the occational check with a locator agent.
You're making this into a bigger issue than it needs to be. Corps != obligation. You can make one that meets your needs if you can't find one.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.12.04 07:25:00 -
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If you're trading and mining, and bemoaning your lack of ability to mission or rat due to being "casual", then I point out the tax affects you not at all.
Tax only effects bounties from killing NPCs, and mission rewards, if they're over 100k total. Nothing else.
I grant that it was nice that you got a free benefit for so very, very long - and paying for something that used to be free can be galling, but from what you say, you're not in the group effected by this in any way, shape, or form.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente
Delve Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
I have had my own corp for 2.75 years. I have been wardec'ed once.
By a one man corp.
Locator agent told me he was in a totally different region.
I added him to my buddies list and found that he was never even online at the same time as me.
It lasted for a week.
It had no effect on my game play other than checking if he was online, and the occational check with a locator agent.
You're making this into a bigger issue than it needs to be. Corps != obligation. You can make one that meets your needs if you can't find one.
This proves that as long as you shut your mouth, not smack in local, and in some cases stay away from missioning hubs. It is very unlikely you will ever be decced. I had an alt corp for a bit that even operated a POS in highsec and I was not bothered once simply cause I tried to avoid mission hubs and didn't cause any issues.
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Leena Serevi
Minmatar
Lost Droids Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:48:00 -
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I've had a one man corp for nearly five months now. Never been war dec'd & am happily doing LV4 missions........I must be doing somthing wrong.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:55:00 -
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So let me get this straight, No acces to low sec ores, no access to L4+ mission rewards and no access to wormholes isn't punitive enough for casual players we have to be taxed now too or face the possibility of random wardec locking me into dock for who knows how long.
Um, what are you on.... I am a casual player, I often mine ABCs, I regularly run L4s and I live for WH exploration.
I also own and run a Corp that is just me and my alts, that has never been wardeced.
And why the hell are you scared of a WarDec.... buy a bunch of cheap ships and have some fun. Even if someone wardecs you they are going to get bored of fighting the same person in cheap frigs after a week.
11% tax for total wardec immunity is a bargain if you ask me.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2009.12.04 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 04/12/2009 10:30:27
In addition to what's been said above, I'd like to comment on the following:
Originally by: Konarr
And yes their are corps that say they are for casual players, but that all goes out the window when their is a war. I can't in good conscious just go AFK for 10 minutes in the middle of a pvp battle because I am not just jeopardizing my ship at that point, I am letting other people down too. But I can't play unless I have the liberty to go AFK periodically when real life calls.
If they really are a corp for casual players, they'll have ways of dealing with wardecs without fighting.
One fun way is moving all carebears to another corp and getting experienced pvp'ers into the corp. Surprise surprise for the enemy who was expecting an easy gank 
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.04 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 04/12/2009 11:31:49
Originally by: Konarr
So let me get this straight, No acces to low sec ores, no access to L4+ mission rewards and no access to wormholes isn't punitive enough for casual players we have to be taxed now too or face the possibility of random wardec locking me into dock for who knows how long.
Why do all MMOs hate casual gamers? I have been playing EVE for about a year now and after countless other games I findly felt like this was a game that got it. Not everyone has the ability to sit down and play uninterupted for extended periods of time.
Trade runs and even mining lend themselvs well to players that get phone calls or what not. Sure your limited to content in Hisec space, but their is still a lot to do and you feel like you are making progress. I log in today and find that I am paying an 11% penalty for choosing to treat a game like a GAME rather than a career!
I want to know why they penalize casual players? My real life money spends just as well as the hard core folks and I don't draw on system resources nearly as much.
You are either a troll or an experianced player that should know that this is not a topic for the New Citizens forum!
Shame on you for bringing this rubbish to the New Citizens forum. Your arguments are not those of a New Player which you admitted to above /facepalm.
Say goodbye to New Citizens and say hello to General Discussion.
EDIT: Or just a plain good old lock.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Redshirt I
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Posted - 2009.12.04 12:21:00 -
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Konarr,
You will never get sympathy or any type agreeance from this lot. Eve fosters the darkside of people and although they won't admit it they complain more then carebears do.
I prefer the solitary life of a solo corp or NPC corp and would rather just be left alone so I can enjoy the aspects of this game that let me still have a life outside the game. Unfortunately the game does not seem to want those type of gamers and I guess since people keep paying it will continue to be so.
I haven't really noticed the 11% tax rate yet but I just created a solo corp and transfer all my ISK from the other accounts into that one.... I don't care enough to know if that actually is a loop hole or not.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.04 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/12/2009 17:14:09
Originally by: Konarr
Are their any NPC corps post dominion that don't tax?
The militias.
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I really hate it when MMOs force the the guild/corp thing down your throat.
-11% income from only a few types of ISK sources = forcing you ? Really ? Since when ?
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Corps = obligation, I play games to get away from all of that.
Make your own corp then.
Or "suffer" the "horror" of -11% bounties.
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Amy Platt
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Posted - 2009.12.04 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Konarr
I will NEVER fit into a player corp so basically they want me to stop playing EVE.
Really? have you even looked at the recruitment threads to see if there's a corp out there that suits your playstyle? So you like to do what you like when you like, believe it or not there's corps out there like that.
Sounds like someone who don't like to pay taxes.
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Juliette Leblanc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.12.04 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Konarr
It is so irritating to have some time to play login and find you can't play because your stupid corp is at war again. I paid my membership fee but can't play the stupid game!
You are not getting it. If you were getting it you'd have written something like "It is so irritating to have some time to play login and find you can't play because your stupid enemy corp gave up and is no more at war. I paid my membership fee but can't play the stupid game!".
Eve is a PvP oriented MMORPG. Let me translate that for you: EvE is a game where you group up with large numbers of other players in order to fight against yet larger number of players for reasons that are totally based on a fictional setup in which you pick your role and act it out to your best. This may or may not involve actually behaving "in character".
Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Isareal Altara
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:27:00 -
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make a 1 man corp, wardec = drop corp and form a new one
You're out maybe a couple mil... far less than the wardec cost (for true spite leave an alt in the corp as CEO so they have the active wardec and have to go through the process of dropping it to wardec your new one... can easily have several corps to hop between if you don't assign roles on your main thus no 24hr cooldown)
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.12.04 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Konarr
...No acces to low sec ores, no access to L4+ mission rewards and no access to wormholes...
What in the hell are you talking about? What aspect of being in an NPC corp precludes any of the above activities? My main mission running alt has been in an npc corp for the last 2 years and has no problem running missions at all... Wormholes? Last time I checked there was no guard on wormholes turning people in NPC corps away? And low sec ores? Why on earth would you want to mine the lowest profit ores when the best ISK can be made in a .9 system where not even rats can bother you?
I am going to have to call troll on this, as it is just too wrong to be beleivable. 
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Peppermintstix
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Posted - 2009.12.05 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Peppermintstix on 05/12/2009 03:24:55
Edited by: Peppermintstix on 05/12/2009 03:20:55
The reason they gave the NPC corps tax is because for the longest time you could do anything you wanted and you had no tax and wardec immunity.
So to somewhat balance this they added a tax and i do agree it should be higher, much higher. Just think of it as the fee you pay so other players cant wardec you.
you can just go make your own corp and have 0% tax but you lose the wardec immunity. This is eve your not going to be immune to everything nor should you. Eve is built from the ground up for people to work with one another get used to the fact that even if your not a pvper your going to get shot etc. the npc corps are ment for starters people who are new for the game not for people who have been playing for a while and if i had them my way it would auto kick you after 90 days because thats more then enough time to get atleast a basic understanding of the game. Eve is a cold, Dark, Dangerous place why should you get sanctuary from taxes and other players?
Also there are so many other corps out there im sure you could find one and dont play a MMO if you dont want to be social there called MMO's for a reason. if you want to be left alone all by your self go play call of duty or something.
Also if wardecs **** you off that bad how about putting the mining laser down and training some combat skills? i hate people that ***** about something that they can fix if they just try, Further more you dont have to give up real life to be in a corp as i said there are a ton of corps some of them are for people that have a wife job 2 kids and cant play only once a week for 20 min you just have to look for them
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Wight Boley
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Posted - 2009.12.05 03:45:00 -
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Doesn't seem to be too big of a problem. If you're a casual player, you shouldn't be fretting over an insignificant 11% tax anyway.
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Isareal Altara
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Posted - 2009.12.05 03:59:00 -
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1-5 man corps are pretty much immune to wardecs, the cost to wardec is a total loss when they can corp hop at will by closing the corp and starting a new one for less than it costs to wardec them.... or leaving an alt in as CEO and no roles for the members.
After all who is going to wardec a group of buddies using 1 man corps to mine out a high sec system? I mean the wardec limit might be hit just trying to do it...
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.05 17:19:00 -
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If I have an unused alt sitting in a NPC corp with 0.00 isk in his wallet, is he going to be taxed into a negative balance? Or is the tax simply applied to mission rewards, etc.?
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Neckbeard Griefmonger
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Posted - 2009.12.05 17:29:00 -
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11% for immunity from war decs if fine by me. I was in perkone for ages before this and now I'm out.
I also found a nice corp that is tailor made for people like us who just want to do our own thing without getting taxed up the wazoo.
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