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Nyxster Gallente Gatecrashers	Posted - 2009.12.04 13:30:00 - [1] Posted on Behalf of MS pilots affected by the Dominion Nerf. Following the effective nerf of mothership class vessels by the titan DD changes and lack of any effective change at all by CCP to MS classes, an urgent petition has been raised to the CSM to request action by CCP. Petition The changes CCP have hurried through as we all know were ill-conceieved and took no account of all the testing, feedback, comments and subsequent protests by all leading alliance supercap pilots. Since the MS has been given no changes whilst the titan gained its EHP and DD changes the MS is now a combat ineffective POS ornament and has become a huge disadvantage to fleets owning them by requiring they either remain logged off or stored in POS's for the duration of a nerf that CCP has given no indication of duration. Therefore we request by this petition, that all mothership pilots and owners that wish to do so, be given a one time option to have a GM dock their motherships that they can be safely mothballed until the development team properly address their place in the supercapital fleet and de-nerf them. This is not a request that motherships be made dockable/redockable by design, merely that those pilots that feel CCP's actions on this matter have been unfair, badly thought out and not taken into account the consequences on their owners, are not required to continue to pay CCP for merely having the priveledge of keeping their MS logged off, or are required to undergo the time/isk sink of running a POS for a ship they may not wish to use in combat during the current nerf. It is fair, since CCP put MS pilots in this position, that those pilots be freed from their MS/POS regime to fly another class of ship so they can rejoin their fleet and utilise their skills in a more effective way by being able to fly carriers/dreads or other ship classes for the duration of this nerf. Many pilots/corps/alliances I am sure do not wish to sell their MS fleets which they have invested time and effort into building of acquiring, however CCP expecting us all to continue to waste resources on a obsolete ship class is an intolerable abuse of its player base due to its development teams inability to create a proper balance in the supercapital design despite our co-operation, CCP's continued silence and lack of even basic dialogue with some of its most senior veteran pilots who have paid CCP countless thousands of dollars in subscription fees collectively to be locked into a ship class that takes substantial resources is simply abhorrant and needs to be resolved ASAP. Therefore all MS pilots who would like to have the one time option to have a GM dock their MS so they can reuse their pilots in the interim, and all corp and alliance FC's who would like to see their MS pilot members put to better use in their fleets please support this petition for urgent action. On Behalf of MS pilots of Eve.
Dah' Khanid Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 13:56:00 - [2] As an FC in Atlas and friend of many new Mothership pilots in my corp who were looking forward to changes in some form come Dominion, I sign this topic 100%.
OrDeR Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY White Noise.	Posted - 2009.12.04 14:11:00 - [3] Can you get a titan thread going? Seems the Ragnar÷k never got its new fleet bonus.
Hannah Ganktannah Caldari Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.12.04 14:13:00 - [4] Arent they called superdreadnoughts now??
DeadDuck Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 14:20:00 - [5] titans can now roam nullsec AND lowsec Sure if you want to see a dead Titan... only 3 titans are needed to kill a 25BN... Yep they grow on trees... My personal point of view MS were not nerfed they stayed as they were. Titans were boosted/nerfed. There are several points of view. They can insta pop a ship but they are now very far from being the I win button that they were until last week. Why should the MS be allowed to dock when nothing has changed in the MS case ? Because they gonna be chased all over the Universe by Roaming Titans ??? God is my Wingman
Nyxster Gallente Gatecrashers	Posted - 2009.12.04 15:30:00 - [6] Edited by: Nyxster on 04/12/2009 15:32:18 Deadduck, I wasn'tanswer your comments,this thread was not intended to trigger another 60 page threadnaught on supercap changes and I didn't want it to be trolled off topic or into another argument, if you want to argue your point as to why you think MS didnt get changed at all by this patch then there is a really nice thread already going that has argued such points extensively. This is intended for MS pilots who feel that they have been unfairly treated by CCP some options as to how they deal with their current situation, they can either continue to use their MS within its current broken context and assume all risks that go with it, sell their MS or the option we are asking for which is be allowed to dock it once so they can use their pilot to fly a carrier or some other ship, perhaps a titan if they can find the jewgoldmoon i mean tree they have been growing on. Its a reasonable option since CCP by their own admission say motherships have no defined role and are a broken class and want more time to fix them, since they did the changes to titans that MS changes were supposedly balanced around but didnt give MS pilots any counter to them they have broken things even worse than before. Since during the speed patch everyone got their snake sets removed, its fair CCP gives MS pilots the option under the new broken class to dock up their ship while they figure out what they are meant to do. I did not ask for a compulsory dock, just for those that actually think there is no point in using a MS atm vs a carrier can get our pilots back. Titans dont need to dock because they still have a purpose, whether that purpose is doing lowsec drivebys on hapless rorquals or acting as a Jumpbridge is not the question here, they got a buff to counter their loss of AoE, this impacted the MS but they got nothing in return for it. If people still want to use them, then all well and good - but since CCP dropped this bomb on us at the last possible minute, and as stated many people trained towards/built/bought ships expecting some changes its unfair now to leave us all with the development teams mess. of course we could all just desub our MS pilots and deny CCP the income and stop playing, my proposal at least keeps these high SP pilots useful in fleet and participating and contributing even if its just in a carrier - if you don't think that is a valid use of these players during this time then I'm sad for razor pilots who according to you should just be left to rot in their pos's and not be able to fight with their buddies :( but as stated, if you want to argue these points i will happy to do so on the supercapitals threadnaught, this really is just for mothership pilots who want CCP to give them an option of how to deal with nozh + co's cancellation of ANY changes to MS classes with no end in sight.
FlameGlow Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 17:01:00 - [7] Edited by: FlameGlow on 04/12/2009 17:01:40 Originally by: Nyxster Its a reasonable option since CCP by their own admission say motherships have no defined role and are a broken class and want more time to fix them, since they did the changes to titans that MS changes were supposedly balanced around but didnt give MS pilots any counter to them they have broken things even worse than before. Since during the speed patch everyone got their snake sets removed, its fair CCP gives MS pilots the option under the new broken class to dock up their ship while they figure out what they are meant to do. I did not ask for a compulsory dock, just for those that actually think there is no point in using a MS atm vs a carrier can get our pilots back. I have a solution to your problems -> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=109595 _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Sephiroth CloneIIV Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.12.04 17:14:00 - [8] Looking at the motherships stats in game it looks like they are unchanged, where are the bombers? I can see the complaint that the ship might be useless, but that doesn't mean that the skill training for it was a waste all the same skills are used for regular carrier, to train in being skilled at one makes you more skilled at the other. A a obvious role for them would be to escort titans who while can pop huge ships arn't good at much else. If the cost is too much for how effective it is and willing to risk, fly carriers, lots and lots of carriers (at 1 bil each, get 25 instead of one MOS).
Zur Gallentis Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.12.04 22:53:00 - [9] I've followed this process through the dev blogs and the podcasts and some of the forums posts, and while I'm not unfortunate enough to be in the pool of supercap pilots, I wholeheartedly align myself under the banner of this petition and support its efforts. /sign
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.04 23:54:00 - [10] I don't own a mothership myself, but I have been tempted from time to time, and if I had opted for it I would be pretty damn angry about how ineffectual they are. I don't think CCP should have rushed through changes, and I can see why they backed things out when they didn't have a decent solution, but I do think MS pilots have a legitimate grudge. Signed - not because I blame CCP but because on a human level it's a royal PITA for momo pilots at this moment in time. Twitter:@genrlwindypops Facebook profile Rate my posting
Tertiacero Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2009.12.04 23:57:00 - [11] Originally by: General Windypops I don't own a mothership myself, but I have been tempted from time to time, and if I had opted for it I would be pretty damn angry about how ineffectual they are. I don't think CCP should have rushed through changes, and I can see why they backed things out when they didn't have a decent solution, but I do think MS pilots have a legitimate grudge. Signed - not because I blame CCP but because on a human level it's a royal PITA for momo pilots at this moment in time. Wow, windy wearing the seriouspants? And here I thought alts only flew noobships But no, random pseudonerfs of motherships were in bad taste. They need to either get on with fixing them (in a hurried and transparent manner) or find a way to make those characters who have been trapped inside of them for the last 2 years viable once again.
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.05 00:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Tertiacero Wow, windy wearing the seriouspants? And here I thought alts only flew noobships You'd be surprised my friend, I reckon I have more sp than most of the people who post on these forums. But yeah - MS pilots need a break. Twitter:@genrlwindypops Facebook profile Rate my posting
Joe Stalin Caldari Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.05 00:03:00 - [13] They were just as useless on Nov 30th as they are today. Just as much reason not to have gotten one then as now. Not sure what you are really getting at.
Bob Smackalof Caldari Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.12.05 01:03:00 - [14] Very well done and writtin, take that CCP maybe do your job more often after getting BURNED.... ------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------
VoiceInTheDesert Gallente Inroads Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.12.05 19:24:00 - [15] If CCP has admitted that MOM's are broken, they need to get on it asap, not just say "we'll get to it soon." There are hundreds (I believe) of these pilots stuck in ships. If CCP is saying that it's not high on their list right now, they need to give players the option to opt out of the ships until they can be bothered to fix them. I personally REALLY liked the changes that were planned and am still not sure why they backed out on them.
Quince Dupree Gallente H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.12.05 21:42:00 - [16] p. good ideal imo, valet parking for your mom
Solderan Gallente Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.12.05 21:54:00 - [17] Why dont you guys insure your MS and self destruct them? Fraps it all and show the video of it on youtube. Maybe if CCP sees every 0 sec alliance self destructing their MS fleets for insurance money they will get the point. Or not
Hannah Ganktannah Caldari Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.12.05 22:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Solderan Why dont you guys insure your MS and self destruct them? Fraps it all and show the video of it on youtube. Maybe if CCP sees every 0 sec alliance self destructing their MS fleets for insurance money they will get the point. Or not They will point at them and lol at us, because they wont have to do the changes anymore because nobody flies them anymore
Lady Puket Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.12.06 07:54:00 - [19] look at doze words
Don J Gallente Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Solderan Why dont you guys insure your MS and self destruct them? Fraps it all and show the video of it on youtube. Maybe if CCP sees every 0 sec alliance self destructing their MS fleets for insurance money they will get the point. Or not Insuring (more than base anyway) requires docking.
Hannah Ganktannah Caldari Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Don J Originally by: Solderan Why dont you guys insure your MS and self destruct them? Fraps it all and show the video of it on youtube. Maybe if CCP sees every 0 sec alliance self destructing their MS fleets for insurance money they will get the point. Or not Insuring (more than base anyway) requires docking. Petition a GM to dock it for you, telling him you want to insure it :p
Trishtan DeMore Caldari Seraphin Technologies	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Solderan Why dont you guys insure your MS and self destruct them? Fraps it all and show the video of it on youtube. Maybe if CCP sees every 0 sec alliance self destructing their MS fleets for insurance money they will get the point. Or not Think again about what you just said. Where is the error in that almost logical word combination: Mothership - Insurance - Station - Docking
URSOKWL Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.06 11:51:00 - [23] Edited by: URSOKWL on 06/12/2009 11:52:39 I think this Nyx pilot would have a load of imput on this subject. Blade BKA http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=170210 WTB NYX
Quebber Caldari Reaction Theory	Posted - 2009.12.06 12:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Quebber on 06/12/2009 13:04:11 Super Carrier anyone? is it me or have MS pilots shot themselves in the foot?
Trev Kachanov Caldari STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.06 14:22:00 - [25] Definitely agreed. It's your choice CCP, give the option for a 1 time dock or lose $15 a month. There's no point having that account if that ship is unusable and I can't leave the ship somewhere safe. Don't trip
Xiaodown Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.06 15:17:00 - [26] Originally by: DeadDuck titans can now roam nullsec AND lowsec Sure if you want to see a dead Titan... only 3 titans are needed to kill a 25BN... Yep they grow on trees... Phew, where to begin? Yesterday, Tri. popped a mothership with ONE titan, in 0.4. And there are 300 titans in game, one out of about every 1000 characters. --
Johnny Santos Caldari Beginning of the End	Posted - 2009.12.06 18:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Trev Kachanov Definitely agreed. It's your choice CCP, give the option for a 1 time dock or lose $15 a month. There's no point having that account if that ship is unusable and I can't leave the ship somewhere safe. Adapt. OP: Wah. Why is it that when a change happens that destroys your comfort level of the same everyday use of a item or ship or a fitting of the month that everyone screams foul? Again.... ADAPT. There are other games for players that arent dynamic, that doesnt require thinking, and has pretty cartoon animations that will keep you content... oh and you can look, equip and be like everyone else. EVE is a dynamically charged game that challenges the norm when it becomes stagnant. If that is too much of a burden for you, dont fly the MS. If its too hard for you to think outside the box, your alliance leaders or corp leaders should really consider allowing any of you to represent them on the battle field in a MS or other hvy cap. especially if its alliance or corp owned. No insurance - keeps you on your toes.
Xorth Adimus Caldari The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:48:00 - [28] Allow super 'mother ship' carriers to dock now Increase agression time on all cap by 5x now Make super 'mother ship' carriers the only ship 90% resistant to the new titan super weapon How hard can it be? Job done 'mother ship' nerf/counter Titan by supporting other ships to take it down. Introduce fighter bombers at a later stage, make motherships actually work at a later stage (allot of work). We want to see more super 'mother ship' carriers in game and in use, but not in docking games.
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.07 16:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Johnny Santos Look at me mah, im a douche bag who doesn't understand game changes Its ok little Jhonny, nobody actualy cares what you think.
Frederik Andersen Caldari x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Frederik Andersen on 07/12/2009 21:09:25 I fully endorce the statement. The motherships role has been degraded to much. And the reason for purchasing a mothership is now none-existenst.
Aimel Caldari tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Aimel on 08/12/2009 00:54:14 Dominion's tritanium sink. get yourself a cloak.
Sephiroth CloneIIV Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.12.08 03:52:00 - [32] I do agree should be able to dock with the super carrier/mothership (and if you hate the ship whatever, it can be mothballed and use regular carriers). Its not realy that big if you look at it in the ship scale thing (image of it somewhere), by contrast titans are 20 times larger then the largest cap ships so they are best described as a super cap (motherships are not even close). Dreads seem to be just as large as the mothership, and on a whole seem to have more mass to them (being round and chunky, instead of flat and hollow). If fattys like dreads, including the flying tower of the mimmatar can somehow fit in stations then just about any carrier should be able to too.
Kitano Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY White Noise.	Posted - 2009.12.08 04:10:00 - [33] Why u so scared of DD's? in all pre-patch engagements, sub capital ships had to be smart and tank for their enemies particular DD. Mum pilots don't even have to worry about this post patch... I just EFT'd an AEON t2 fit with t2 trimarks and the thing will pretty much tank 1 of any DD and 2 of the same one with slaves in your head (possible even 2x omni dd's).. if you fly a mum then surely u can afford t2 trimarks and at least lg slaves. nicely written thread. but I whole heartedly disagree. Deal with the change and get back in your mum so i can blow it up with my titan.

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