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yyy5
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Posted - 2009.12.06 00:29:00 -
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Regarding the new (narrower) camera Field of View (FOV) implemented in Dominion, there are many different voices and comments about it, and in just a quick glance I can spot several threads in the same board discussing the same issue but with little definite conclusion.
These threads are:
Some neglected older threads I found in other forums regarding the same issue:
And I'm sure these are not the only occasions the FOV had been discussed.
In summary From all the discussions I have reviewed above, there are all kinds of opinions about the FOV, some like it wider and being able to see more, some like it narrower to get a better sense of scale (planets and stations appear bigger proportionally). Generally proposed solution is to have it an adjustable feature, not fixed and "updated" by CCP but by players adjusting according to their taste and needs.
Since no matter how the FOV is changed, as long as it is fixed, some people is gonna disagree with it, so the solution will be to make it adjustable. This way most of the problem people are facing will be gone, and there is little to no drawback on this feature (maybe some FPS drop to use a wider FOV). Also it should be limited to certain degrees (e.g. 30 to 120 degree) to avoid camera distortion and avoid people "abusing" it. (I don't see how it can be abused tho.)
So I am starting this thread trying to raise attention to the issue, and at the same time I want to raise a petition for a adjustable FOV: if you agree with having a adjustable slide of FOV added in the graphics options tab, please voice your support for this matter in this thread. Of cause, if you are against the proposal you can also state why.
Thanks for reading.
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.06 01:13:00 -
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Good thread!
/signed for adjustable FOV and signed for me not being able to play the game without feeling dizzy until its fixed!
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Windows ME
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Posted - 2009.12.06 19:49:00 -
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bumping for justice
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Olthel
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Posted - 2009.12.06 20:10:00 -
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Bumping. I agree, and so do my other 2 accounts. Please let us change the FOV with settings, CCP!
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.06 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Pedigree on 06/12/2009 20:33:37 I wont pay for a game that i cant play without feeling sick, and im not reactivating my account until its fixed.
And having played this game for 4 years makes the whole thing even more sad.
A real shame this awesome expansion screwed up such a small but vital detail.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:30:00 -
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Adjustable field of view would be nice. I, too, was caught by surprise that the Ctrl+Left+Right trick couldn't expand past the new default FOV =(
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.12.06 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 06/12/2009 23:53:46 an interesting observation: i compared two screen shots of battleship docked in station. one made just before Apocrypha and another made today. it has exactly the same FOV. could it be that FOV is dynamic depending on ship size?
as 120 for maximum, it's too much. even 90 would look too wide.
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Markus Reese
Caldari Lorentzian Expeditionaries
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:45:00 -
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Concur, some sort of adjustable FOV option slider setup somewhere would be nice. That way it doesn't reset every session change.
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Windows ME
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 06/12/2009 23:53:46 an interesting observation: i compared two screen shots of battleship docked in station. one made just before Apocrypha and another made today. it has exactly the same FOV. could it be that FOV is dynamic depending on ship size?
as 120 for maximum, it's too much. even 90 would look too wide.
Because FOV is only changed in space, from about 110 to 90 now.
the FOV now is 90 degrees (it is shown in right click in space>mapbrowser) and now it looks about right to me. see, different people have different taste and preference, that's why we need such a feature added to the game.
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DDemon
Volatile Instability
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:05:00 -
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Yes, I approve of this idea. Some people prefer the new FOV, however I prefer the old one. Also the bobbing should be able to be disabled.
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.07 15:29:00 -
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bumping for great justice, also ccp - make it happen
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2009.12.07 15:56:00 -
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Yes, please make it so we have the option to adjust the FoV to what it was before.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/12/2009 16:21:05 not supported.
The FOV is still too wide and smaller ships dont appear as small as they are in front of bigger objects. Furthermore, I dont think it should be a configurable value since we all should have the same impression of the eve universe, so nobody is able to set the fisheye values for "seeing more" (which is a slight abuse imo).
Feeling sick blah blahh, nobody cares about this foolish argument, because its bullsh*t. Noone gets sick or dizzy because of a narrow FOV, if you do you're eventually epileptic and should stop playing computer games anyways.
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Olthel
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/12/2009 16:21:05 not supported.
The FOV is still too wide and smaller ships dont appear as small as they are in front of bigger objects. Furthermore, I dont think it should be a configurable value since we all should have the same impression of the eve universe, so nobody is able to set the fisheye values for "seeing more" (which is a slight abuse imo).
Feeling sick blah blahh, nobody cares about this foolish argument, because its bullsh*t. Noone gets sick or dizzy because of a narrow FOV, if you do you're eventually epileptic and should stop playing computer games anyways.
You're an idiot. Now that this is out of the way, I'll tell you why:
- Your overview shows you everything around your ship, 360 degrees, ergo YOU GAIN NO ADVANTAGE AT ALL IF YOU HAVE A WIDER FOV. If you're not using the overview you can't propperly play eve anyway... or you have mad clicking skills, probably from CS or CS:S
- An epileptic fit is usually caused by flashing lights, not by the view angle. Get your facts straight.
- You could still keep the new FOV angle if they implemented a scale with which you could change the FOV.
- Even with the old angle, your frig was still small compared to a BS, you just had to zoom in more than you have to zoom in now.
- Making the FOV modifiable goes well with the backstory too, you're using cameras (not your eyes) that orbit your ship to look at the universe, so giving them different lenses is possible.
Besides, different ppl like different things, so why not keep everyone happy, if it's so easy to do?
But yeah, I agree... eve is not unplayable because of this change... I just don't like (this) change :P
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Windows ME
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/12/2009 16:21:05 not supported.
The FOV is still too wide and smaller ships dont appear as small as they are in front of bigger objects.
You can use LEFT MOUSE+RIGHT MOUSE+CTRL to zoom in (narrower FOV).
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Furthermore, I dont think it should be a configurable value since we all should have the same impression of the eve universe,
Good point. One compromise is to lock FOV choices to a few fixed value (30/60/90/120). It also makes it "easier" to choose one FOV without having an urge to "tweak" it too precisely (there are some theories about the best FOV should be 103 which some serious hardcore FPS games tend to use).
Quote: so nobody is able to set the fisheye values for "seeing more" (which is a slight abuse imo).
Not a abuse - because everyone can do the same. It is not actually "seeing more", but a better overview of surrounding objects while still being able to see your own ship.
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Feeling sick blah blahh, nobody cares about this foolish argument, because its bullsh*t. Noone gets sick or dizzy because of a narrow FOV, if you do you're eventually epileptic and should stop playing computer games anyways.
Wrong. It is true, althought I don't personally suffer it.
Here is an artical about FPS sickness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness#Simulation_sickness
It is real and there are many discussions out there if you google FPS sickness or DOOM sickness or similar keywords.
Giving people a CHOICE is the best solution, since many people suffering from the sickness would like to enjoy the game as well.
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Olthel
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Windows ME stuff.
I think we broke him.
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Windows ME
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Olthel
Originally by: Windows ME stuff.
I think we broke him.
None can stop our FOV revolution
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Pedigree on 07/12/2009 19:04:41
Originally by: Windows ME
Originally by: Olthel
Originally by: Windows ME stuff.
I think we broke him.
None can stop our FOV revolution
Feels like CCP doesn't give a damned at the moment tho :(
So, CCP, give us input please! (so that i know if i should get another game to play or wait for this to get reverted...
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Olthel
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Pedigree Edited by: Dr Pedigree on 07/12/2009 19:04:41
Originally by: Windows ME
Originally by: Olthel
Originally by: Windows ME stuff.
I think we broke him.
None can stop our FOV revolution
Feels like CCP doesn't give a damned at the moment tho :(
So, CCP, give us input please! (so that i know if i should get another game to play or wait for this to get reverted...
Meh, It's not THAT bad... but I liked the old fish-eye view better. I'm still addicted to eve... in any case, **** the graphics, I'm all about the spreadsheets
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.08 06:26:00 -
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real shame they fixed something that wasn't broken...
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 08:30:00 -
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winME said it already: CTRL + LMB + RMB and move mouse sideways for FoV/angle
i'm merely unhappy with the maximum not being enough. if this is indeed 90¦, i would support a 120¦ petition. - putting the gist back into logistics |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Windows ME
You can use LEFT MOUSE+RIGHT MOUSE+CTRL to zoom in (narrower FOV).
not reasonable at all because its reset after session change.
Originally by: Windows ME
Wrong. It is true, althought I don't personally suffer it.
Here is an artical about FPS sickness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness#Simulation_sickness
It is real and there are many discussions out there if you google FPS sickness or DOOM sickness or similar keywords.
Giving people a CHOICE is the best solution, since many people suffering from the sickness would like to enjoy the game as well.
what has this to do with a FOV?
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Drilla
Yet Another Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:00:00 -
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As someone pointed out, this is indeed not abusable as you already have the overview displaying everything.
Player adjusted max FOV is logical, reasonable and should be made possible - there are simply no valid arguement against it. Saying everyone should see EVE the same way is like saying everyone should play at same resolution, same graphics settings, same zoom level (as in not able to zoom in or out) - or in other words plain stupid.
/signed .
EVE in maximized windowed mode + taskbar |
Warnings
D-Stress
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:08:00 -
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/signed
I want my eyefinity system, i hope the Fov will be nice with high resolutions.
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:39:00 -
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Although I do not dislike the altered FoV, I also have no issues with people being to alter it back to how it used to be, or, allow a fully customisable FoV setting.
Therefore:
/signed EVE-ONLINE VIDEO-MAKING TUTORIALS |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:44:00 -
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FOV was fixed before, it is still fixed, so people merely complain because they don't like the new one?? What is wrong with that?? Things appear in more realistic relations finally.
STFU whining for the silly fisheye cameram, if one FOV should be fixed then a realistic one.
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera FOV was fixed before, it is still fixed, so people merely complain because they don't like the new one?? What is wrong with that?? Things appear in more realistic relations finally.
STFU whining for the silly fisheye cameram, if one FOV should be fixed then a realistic one.
U sir, are wrong. There is nothing wrong with an FOV option, some people want the same good ol' fps that we've had since the beginning of the game because it feels good. It doesn't matter if its right or wrong proportions.
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Raigir
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Windows ME
Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/12/2009 16:21:05 not supported.
The FOV is still too wide and smaller ships dont appear as small as they are in front of bigger objects.
You can use LEFT MOUSE+RIGHT MOUSE+CTRL to zoom in (narrower FOV).
Quote:
Furthermore, I dont think it should be a configurable value since we all should have the same impression of the eve universe,
Good point. One compromise is to lock FOV choices to a few fixed value (30/60/90/120). It also makes it "easier" to choose one FOV without having an urge to "tweak" it too precisely (there are some theories about the best FOV should be 103 which some serious hardcore FPS games tend to use).
Quote: so nobody is able to set the fisheye values for "seeing more" (which is a slight abuse imo).
Not a abuse - because everyone can do the same. It is not actually "seeing more", but a better overview of surrounding objects while still being able to see your own ship.
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Feeling sick blah blahh, nobody cares about this foolish argument, because its bullsh*t. Noone gets sick or dizzy because of a narrow FOV, if you do you're eventually epileptic and should stop playing computer games anyways.
Wrong. It is true, althought I don't personally suffer it.
Here is an artical about FPS sickness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness#Simulation_sickness
It is real and there are many discussions out there if you google FPS sickness or DOOM sickness or similar keywords.
Giving people a CHOICE is the best solution, since many people suffering from the sickness would like to enjoy the game as well.
The new FOV actualy did make me sick after starting to play after I updated. Though to a far lesser extent than full FPS sickness. It would definatly be nice to have a choice in how narrow or wide your FOV is.
/signed
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Dr Panda
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Posted - 2009.12.08 16:11:00 -
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/signed, both my accounts do want an FOV option
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Dr Pedigree
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Posted - 2009.12.09 12:45:00 -
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please?
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