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J'Tank Hull
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:32:00 -
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Sari Ajantes
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:32:00 -
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Verys
Burning Technologies Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.12.07 22:23:00 -
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The strong point of the mothership always used to be lots of drones and the immunity of electronic warfare, including the ability to not be scrammed by non-dictor class ships.
However as it stands now the mothership is even worse off, to destroy one tackling is no longer needed all you need to do is press the win button.
Replacing one mothership for a fleet of say 10-15 carriers would be better because they end up costing them same but can't be destroyed in a single whim.
Therefore the hp buff should be implemented as soon as possible to even out this flaw even if it doesn't still have a defined role now still.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.08 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Dav Varan The Titan weapons were designed to barbeque MS's says so in the description of the mods.
The mothership HP buff was designed in line with the titan Doomsday change. As the mothership buff never happened, the DDs are now functioning outside of design specs.
And if you really base any opinions at all on descriptions, please contract me your stuff asap as you really need to gtfo of Eve.
lol not really dude, I'm not the one crying because I'm scared to take my ship out of dry dock !
What ccp have done makes a great deal of sense when taken in context of game balance in general.
A mom in a proper alliance fleet while it may get instad by 3 titans will be revenged by the destruction of titans if those titans arnt themselves properly supported by there own fleets.
Moms were never meant to be used for minimully supported lowsec/nullsec gatecamp invulneramobiles. A use for which they have been used and abused for years now, its that usage that has really been nerfbatted to hell and back by the mere possibility that they themselves may end up being pwned.
Moms used without support were allways vulnerable to dread/carrier hot drops , so really what has changed?
Maybe moms should be made insurable if docked up in outposts ? is that possible ? Then they can be used by 00 alliances with limited risk. Low sec players who dont have access to outposts are of course screwed.
But then again it was ccp's original intent that these ships be used by 00 alliances in cap fleet warfare and not as ultimate gatecamp mobiles.
I think the cap changes are cool and the cruelness of the eve universe has reached new levels. Epic battles lie ahead , and the spoils will go to those alliances that have big enough cohonees to bring moms and titans to the field instead of mere carriers and dreads.
Let there be no glass ceiling to the risks we can take in this game. mom vulnerability is a good thing , death and destruction on epic scale is what makes eve the best game in the universe.
If the Kitchen is too hot for you these days then hello kitty online is this way.
Or sell the mom to someone who has the balls to use it and fly carriers instead , problem solved.
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Tyler
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2009.12.08 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Dav Varan The Titan weapons were designed to barbeque MS's says so in the description of the mods.
The mothership HP buff was designed in line with the titan Doomsday change. As the mothership buff never happened, the DDs are now functioning outside of design specs.
And if you really base any opinions at all on descriptions, please contract me your stuff asap as you really need to gtfo of Eve.
lol not really dude, I'm not the one crying because I'm scared to take my ship out of dry dock !
What ccp have done makes a great deal of sense when taken in context of game balance in general.
A mom in a proper alliance fleet while it may get instad by 3 titans will be revenged by the destruction of titans if those titans arnt themselves properly supported by there own fleets.
Moms were never meant to be used for minimully supported lowsec/nullsec gatecamp invulneramobiles. A use for which they have been used and abused for years now, its that usage that has really been nerfbatted to hell and back by the mere possibility that they themselves may end up being pwned.
Moms used without support were allways vulnerable to dread/carrier hot drops , so really what has changed?
Maybe moms should be made insurable if docked up in outposts ? is that possible ? Then they can be used by 00 alliances with limited risk. Low sec players who dont have access to outposts are of course screwed.
But then again it was ccp's original intent that these ships be used by 00 alliances in cap fleet warfare and not as ultimate gatecamp mobiles.
I think the cap changes are cool and the cruelness of the eve universe has reached new levels. Epic battles lie ahead , and the spoils will go to those alliances that have big enough cohonees to bring moms and titans to the field instead of mere carriers and dreads.
Let there be no glass ceiling to the risks we can take in this game. mom vulnerability is a good thing , death and destruction on epic scale is what makes eve the best game in the universe.
If the Kitchen is too hot for you these days then hello kitty online is this way.
Or sell the mom to someone who has the balls to use it and fly carriers instead , problem solved.
Sigh, get out.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
If the Kitchen is too hot for you these days then hello kitty online is this way.
Or sell the mom to someone who has the balls to use it and fly carriers instead , problem solved.
Dude...you have no idea what you're talking about. GTFO.
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Kou Rien
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kou Rien on 08/12/2009 14:51:49 can't believe I logged in just to sign this.
/signed
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:58:00 -
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Dav Varan- what you are saying would make sence if moms would be a t2 carrier. Unfortunately, they cost 16 bill and are a super-capital. Hence, they should have more survivability.
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Dokschrauba
Sensus Numinis Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.12.08 15:49:00 -
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signed
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:42:00 -
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einmal bump ja
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Textret
Gallente The Executioners Aggressive Dissonance
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Posted - 2009.12.10 00:41:00 -
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insta-poping the mom sux. buff please
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Allan Sheperd
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Posted - 2009.12.10 07:57:00 -
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A ship that takes years to finally fly and almost a year to build should never get blown up in a second. Changing hitpoints does not change their class either. Give them the hitpoint bonus now, decide what to do with them later.
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Normandy Xavier
B4D W0LF
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Posted - 2009.12.10 09:01:00 -
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Supported.
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OzDeaDMeaT
The Goodies
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Posted - 2009.12.10 11:56:00 -
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sweet, just don't let em nerf the amount of fighters they can unleash. Eve-au.com News Reporter |
Xtover
Suicide Kings
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Posted - 2009.12.10 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Xtover on 10/12/2009 14:15:10
Originally by: Dav Varan raddle raddle raddle
I'll bite.
1) A support fleet will not be able to stop the DD 2) Moms that fit for 1 DD (just one) tank will have no other role but be a tank and do nothing else, rendering it useless.
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Velonad Tyldamere
Caldari Heroes. Primary.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Velonad Tyldamere on 10/12/2009 14:17:33 Edited by: Velonad Tyldamere on 10/12/2009 14:17:21 I agree with the OP and fully support his motion
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Alghara
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Posted - 2009.12.10 14:25:00 -
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YEP
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.10 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 10/12/2009 14:15:10
Originally by: Dav Varan raddle raddle raddle
I'll bite.
1) A support fleet will not be able to stop the DD 2) Moms that fit for 1 DD (just one) tank will have no other role but be a tank and do nothing else, rendering it useless.
1) A support fleet will not be able to stop the DD - its not supposed to Titans have been reassigned to the role of capital destroyers right ?
2) Moms that fit for 1 DD (just one) tank will have no other role but be a tank and do nothing else, rendering it useless. - Apart from fielding 25 fighters and taking part in RR. you can still get 5 cap chargers on a nyx for example which doesnt affect its primarry buffer.
Why you even insist on calling it a mom nerf is beyond me. Its a mom , other titan , dread , carrier or any pimped ship nerf to be accurate.
The 5 x hp buffer thing was to go hand in hand with a role for moms that saw they only apply significantly damage to other capitals.
Having a 5 x hp buff to moms without that role change would increase mom's survivability 5 x against any fleet weather or not they have titans. So a mom would be able to kill 5 x as much **** as before before going down.
5 x hp buff and sweet damage ( fighters / drones ) is not allowed.
The only real issue with moms is there pilots have become accustomed to being the biggest kid on the block, well now theres a bigger kid on the block.
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Lith Erivi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.10 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 10/12/2009 14:15:10
Originally by: Dav Varan raddle raddle raddle
I'll bite.
1) A support fleet will not be able to stop the DD 2) Moms that fit for 1 DD (just one) tank will have no other role but be a tank and do nothing else, rendering it useless.
1) A support fleet will not be able to stop the DD - its not supposed to Titans have been reassigned to the role of capital destroyers right ?
2) Moms that fit for 1 DD (just one) tank will have no other role but be a tank and do nothing else, rendering it useless. - Apart from fielding 25 fighters and taking part in RR. you can still get 5 cap chargers on a nyx for example which doesnt affect its primarry buffer.
Why you even insist on calling it a mom nerf is beyond me. Its a mom , other titan , dread , carrier or any pimped ship nerf to be accurate.
The 5 x hp buffer thing was to go hand in hand with a role for moms that saw they only apply significantly damage to other capitals.
Having a 5 x hp buff to moms without that role change would increase mom's survivability 5 x against any fleet weather or not they have titans. So a mom would be able to kill 5 x as much **** as before before going down.
5 x hp buff and sweet damage ( fighters / drones ) is not allowed.
The only real issue with moms is there pilots have become accustomed to being the biggest kid on the block, well now theres a bigger kid on the block.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, the more you post the more evident it becomes ^_^
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.12.10 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
Epic battles lie ahead , and the spoils will go to those alliances that have big enough cohonees to bring moms and titans to the field instead of mere carriers and dreads.
Let there be no glass ceiling to the risks we can take in this game. mom vulnerability is a good thing , death and destruction on epic scale is what makes eve the best game in the universe.
2 things wrong with this statement.
1) I fail to see the epicness of a battle where a titan one shots a mom. the end. That's actually a bit anticlimactic in my opinion. mom is in intense battle, titian cynoes in and one shots it. mom can't put up a fight, mom just instantly dies. Not too fun for either party.
2) Why bring a mom when carriers do almost the same thing, but are insurable and when one shot killed, you don't lose a 24 billion ship that would've been outperforemd by 2 1 billion isk ships.
not positive on all the information I just posted, but i'm pretty sure it's correct enough that little changes won't affect my point.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stil Harkonnen
Originally by: Dav Varan
Epic battles lie ahead , and the spoils will go to those alliances that have big enough cohonees to bring moms and titans to the field instead of mere carriers and dreads.
Let there be no glass ceiling to the risks we can take in this game. mom vulnerability is a good thing , death and destruction on epic scale is what makes eve the best game in the universe.
2 things wrong with this statement.
1) I fail to see the epicness of a battle where a titan one shots a mom. the end. That's actually a bit anticlimactic in my opinion. mom is in intense battle, titian cynoes in and one shots it. mom can't put up a fight, mom just instantly dies. Not too fun for either party.
2) Why bring a mom when carriers do almost the same thing, but are insurable and when one shot killed, you don't lose a 24 billion ship that would've been outperforemd by 2 1 billion isk ships.
not positive on all the information I just posted, but i'm pretty sure it's correct enough that little changes won't affect my point.
1) Moms only get one shoted if they are fitted with a pre dominion fitting. Going off what others have been saying , I havnt looked at the numbers myself 7M ehp or more is currently possible on moms if buffer / resist tanked to max. So if you wanna insta a mom , that 3 titans for a guaranteed kill not 1.
losing a mom is gonna hurt for sure , but its only 1/10th of the value of the hardware required to do the job.
If you dont consider a 20B loss epic , with another 210B on the field on the enemy side vulnerable and unable to cloak or jump out for 10 minutes , what if those 3 titans get hotdropped by 100 dreads with carrier and multiple mom / titan / carrier / neuting bs / hic backup , will that be epic enough for you ?
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
1) Moms only get one shoted if they are fitted with a pre dominion fitting. Going off what others have been saying , I havnt looked at the numbers myself 7M ehp or more is currently possible on moms if buffer / resist tanked to max. So if you wanna insta a mom , that 3 titans for a guaranteed kill not 1.
Oh christ, the super EHP EFT fits are not viable for everyday use, they lack cap recharge, tackle and most likely local tank so they are useless for all purposes but to survive a DD.
And which alliance can't field 3 titans when a MS is tackled and needs to die fast?
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
Originally by: Stil Harkonnen
Originally by: Dav Varan
Epic battles lie ahead , and the spoils will go to those alliances that have big enough cohonees to bring moms and titans to the field instead of mere carriers and dreads.
Let there be no glass ceiling to the risks we can take in this game. mom vulnerability is a good thing , death and destruction on epic scale is what makes eve the best game in the universe.
2 things wrong with this statement.
1) I fail to see the epicness of a battle where a titan one shots a mom. the end. That's actually a bit anticlimactic in my opinion. mom is in intense battle, titian cynoes in and one shots it. mom can't put up a fight, mom just instantly dies. Not too fun for either party.
2) Why bring a mom when carriers do almost the same thing, but are insurable and when one shot killed, you don't lose a 24 billion ship that would've been outperforemd by 2 1 billion isk ships.
not positive on all the information I just posted, but i'm pretty sure it's correct enough that little changes won't affect my point.
1) Moms only get one shoted if they are fitted with a pre dominion fitting. Going off what others have been saying , I havnt looked at the numbers myself 7M ehp or more is currently possible on moms if buffer / resist tanked to max. So if you wanna insta a mom , that 3 titans for a guaranteed kill not 1.
losing a mom is gonna hurt for sure , but its only 1/10th of the value of the hardware required to do the job.
Show a fit that can tank all four DD types. Unless you stack resists to over 90% of a specific resist, it will be seriously hurting with one shot. According to EFT, an all L5 pilot can stack resists to get an effective 9+mil EHP of a single resist, but it's well under 3m for the other 3 resists. You shouldn't have to do this to have a chance at survival, and this is WITHOUT the rest of the support fleet pounding away.
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If you dont consider a 20B loss epic , with another 210B on the field on the enemy side vulnerable and unable to cloak or jump out for 10 minutes , what if those 3 titans get hotdropped by 100 dreads with carrier and multiple mom / titan / carrier / neuting bs / hic backup , will that be epic enough for you ?
So you're saying that being able to inflict an instant 20B loss on someone is a GOOD thing? Either you have no regard for how much money goes into these things or you've never lost a ship in an instant before.
Now, granted I'm not a capital pilot in any respect, but being able to be one-shotted by anything is just ******ed, especially when said ship costs so much.
Supported. On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Oh christ, the super EHP EFT fits are not viable for everyday use, they lack cap recharge, tackle and most likely local tank so they are useless for all purposes but to survive a DD.
And which alliance can't field 3 titans when a MS is tackled and needs to die fast?
And there lies the crux of the matter. Moms were never meant for "Everyday Use".
The reason why they along with titans can not dock at npc stations and the reason they can only be built in sovereign null sec is they were intended to be alliance owned super capital ships for deployment in cap fleet warfare between null sec alliances.
Of course players have found ways around these restrictions with Chribba/Darknesss escrow ship transfers and Parking alts/poses. You really cant blame ccp if these ships are now unsuitable for roles for which they were never intended, i.e. minimully supported corporation level null/low sec gate camp and drop operations.
In there intended usage moms should not fit tackle or local reps. They will have fleet tackle with them and enough rr support from other moms/carriers to make local rep a waste of a slot that would have been better used for resists. This leaves low slots ( shield tanks ) and mid slots ( armor tanks ) free for cpr's and cap rechargers. Along with cap fountain transfers back and forth between moms/carriers and with cap pumps from logistics ships, moms even the tanked variety should have more than enough cap to perma run 2 , 3 or maybe even 4 capital remote reps. With 25 fighters / drones at there disposal and invulnerability to jamming moms are still a formidable force when they are part of a fleet large enough to discourage Titan / Dread hotdrops.
A 5xhp buff would be warranted if moms had the cap killer roll where they are expected to go against titans toe to toe but cant effectivlly damage smaller ships.
In there current incarnation with sweet damage , they can easilly engage and destroy any sub cap ship with ease. Its unreasonable for you to expect 99% of the players base , who fly frig/cruise/bc/bs to go up against moms with that kind of damage AND have to deliver 5x the current amount of damage to destroy there opponents.
Moms are tough enough and invulnerable enough against sub caps allready they dont need to be 5x better.
No to solowtfpwnmobiles.
No to players having there hands held by ccp because they have circumnavigated ship restrictions and now find themselves sitting in ships they cant afford to lose and now actually could lose.
What the rest of us have to suffer 5x kill requirement because mom pilots spent 20B on there pride and joys and deserve special treatment ?.
I really hope you drop this b.s. before you waste ccp/csm facetime on a solution to a problem that players have gotten themselves into that would negativelly affect 99% of the players you were elected to represent.
Yeah right , woot woot for selfish self interest.
Or come up with a solution that mitigates the titan damage whilst not OPPing moms versus everything else.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:29:00 -
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Just go away k?
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:36:00 -
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moms are already good enough to go against sub caps so getting 5x hp buff wouldn't really change things c/d? Other than the fact that it makes it a little more difficult for a titan to kill a 20 billion isk ship with relative ease.
woot woot for self interest you say?
I don't own a mothership. I have never flown with a mothership. I have never SEEN a mothership. But i support this so it's not quite so easy to instapop a 20 billion isk ship.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stil Harkonnen
I don't own a mothership. I have never flown with a mothership. I have never SEEN a mothership. But i support this.
nuff said.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 11/12/2009 22:24:53
Originally by: Dav Varan
And there lies the crux of the matter. Moms were never meant for "Everyday Use".
What you should be trying to say is that ms are not supposed to be good at everything, claiming they were not meant to be used on a regular basis is perverse.
Originally by: Dav Varan
The reason why they along with titans can not dock at npc stations and the reason they can only be built in sovereign null sec is they were intended to be alliance owned super capital ships for deployment in cap fleet warfare between null sec alliances.
Nope. The requirements were only there to curb the amount that could be built - there have always been third parties around willing to secure the deals so claiming they were only to be used by sovholders is dumb.
Originally by: Dav Varan
You really cant blame ccp if these ships are now unsuitable for roles for which they were never intended, i.e. minimully supported corporation level null/low sec gate camp and drop operations.
What are you trying to say here? The lowsec ms died with the introduction of the HIC and even without them people managed to kill a few (see: x13). MS have never been capable solo ships apart from ganking the odd bs that jumped into them in lowsec.
Originally by: Dav Varan
Along with cap fountain transfers back and forth between moms/carriers and with cap pumps from logistics ships, moms even the tanked variety should have more than enough cap to perma run 2 , 3 or maybe even 4 capital remote reps.
Capital energy transfers are extremely inefficient and will only 'generate' minute amounts of cap. And I would like to see your setup that can tank multiple DD's and can permarun 4 CRR.
Originally by: Dav Varan
With 25 fighters / drones at there disposal and invulnerability to jamming moms are still a formidable force when they are part of a fleet large enough to discourage Titan / Dread hotdrops.
Again, more rubbish. 25 fighters requires 5 drone control units and no ms will ever fit that, besides you were just talking about fitting 4 CRR. And now that they are capable of being destroyed in seconds by a titan gank squad, they are hardly a formidable force, and when the attacker plays it well, the support fleet can do nothing but sit by and watch.
Originally by: Dav Varan
A 5xhp buff would be warranted if moms had the cap killer roll where they are expected to go against titans toe to toe but cant effectivlly damage smaller ships.
Please elaborate on your reasoning because its making sod all sense.
Originally by: Dav Varan
In there current incarnation with sweet damage , they can easilly engage and destroy any sub cap ship with ease.
RR bs can easily tank a MS. Anything smaller than a BS can easily run away. Their DPS is hardly impressive.
Originally by: Dav Varan
No to solowtfpwnmobiles.
Wow. We agree on something. Too bad your grasp of game mechanics fails tremendously.
Originally by: Dav Varan
No to players having there hands held by ccp because they have circumnavigated ship restrictions and now find themselves sitting in ships they cant afford to lose and now actually could lose. What the rest of us have to suffer 5x kill requirement because mom pilots spent 20B on there pride and joys and deserve special treatment ?
Once again you show how ignorant you are of the mechanics and gameplay surrounding (super) capitals.
Originally by: Dav Varan
I really hope you drop this b.s. before you waste ccp/csm facetime on a solution to a problem that players have gotten themselves into that would negativelly affect 99% of the players you were elected to represent.
No. In fact you have only encouraged me to push even harder. Now please go away and asphyxate (ingame, in space) *edited for courtesy*
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AdmiralFreeman
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:25:00 -
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/Signed
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
What you should be trying to say is that ms are not supposed to be good at everything, claiming they were not meant to be used on a regular basis is perverse.
If you dont wanna take my word for it then go and do some research If you go back and read the discussion threads about mom's & titans when they first entered game you'll discover they were intended to be strategic assets for null sec alliances. I cant read the minds of ccp devs of course , so I cant be sure that this is what they are refering too when they say things like there not happy about the direction mom etc have taken.
Originally by: Sokratesz
Nope. The requirements were only there to curb the amount that could be built - there have always been third parties around willing to secure the deals so claiming they were only to be used by sovholders is dumb.
No if they wanted to simply restrict numbers they would have just have released a limited bpo run. Mom/Titan construction is restricted in a way that makes it easy for null sec alliances to build them and virtually impossible for anyone else.
Originally by: Sokratesz
What are you trying to say here? The lowsec ms died with the introduction of the HIC and even without them people managed to kill a few (see: x13). MS have never been capable solo ships apart from ganking the odd bs that jumped into them in lowsec.
There have been plenty of MS around in low sec , even after the introduction of hics.
Originally by: Sokratesz
Capital energy transfers are extremely inefficient and will only 'generate' minute amounts of cap. And I would like to see your setup that can tank multiple DD's and can permarun 4 CRR.
The key point is the logistics you need to bring with moms, how many reps you can run depends on the fleet thats with you not the moms set up.
Originally by: Sokratesz
Again, more rubbish. 25 fighters requires 5 drone control units and no ms will ever fit that, besides you were just talking about fitting 4 CRR. And now that they are capable of being destroyed in seconds by a titan gank squad, they are hardly a formidable force, and when the attacker plays it well, the support fleet can do nothing but sit by and watch.
my bad 20 drones / fighters then If you get attacked by a superior force and lose , not sure how to respond to that ? erm welcome to eve ?
210B ( 3 titans ) should be capable of destroying 1 x 20B ship. If you think titan pilots are gonna jump in 3 titans with limited or no support into a large fleet just to kill one mom you are crazy , they would lose them titans.
Originally by: Sokratesz
Please elaborate on your reasoning because its making sod all sense.
The 5x buff you seem to want for free, was tied in with taking away a moms ability to be effective against any ship type.
Originally by: Sokratesz
Wow. We agree on something. Too bad your grasp of game mechanics fails tremendously.
whats too bad is you havnt considered game mechs at all. You are proposing that all players who face a mom have to do 5 times more damage to that ship in order to kill it. The vast maj of players in this game will never fly a titan. Most pilots who go up against a mom will be in bs / bc.
Originally by: Sokratesz
No. In fact you have only encouraged me to push even harder. Now please go away and asphyxate (ingame, in space) *edited for courtesy*
Corrupt polotico's always have there master to please I guess. But happilly this is still a democracy and expect to have placards waved in your face when you are about to propose something massively stupid.
You are proposing that ALL players who face a mom have to do 5 times more damage to that ship in order to kill it. At a time when moms still have the same firepower they did pre dominion
Is that clear enough for you.
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