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Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 03:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Commander Rice on 07/12/2009 04:32:44 Federation of Freedom Fighters: F-OFF F-OFF is ready to fill Merc-Kill jobs. Price varies depending on the contract. US time zones covered. Services Offered -War Decs: Alliance- 450mil, Corp- 350mil -Territorial Assault* (all security space) -Asset Assault* -Custom Contracts* prices will vary Contact* Contact Commander Rice in-game for details, discussions, and negotiations. You can also join the channel "F-OFF Contract" and follow the directions there if I am unavailable. If you are interested in assisting us with contracts you can contact DamienEx with inquiries as to join F-OFF. To view our killboard, please join our merc channel and follow the link there. Current Operations Current Contract: None On Deck: None Contract History War Dec -New Eden Regimental Navy -The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre -Aeon of Strife -Deadspace Society -Overtime Alliance POS Take Down -Takmahl Discovery Custom -Mostly Harmless
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Roastedpot on 07/12/2009 04:14:10 Originally by: Cpt NathanC Trolling is not allowed.Applebabe Kills:6 Real kills:6 Losses:7 Damage done (ISK): 0.57B Damage received (ISK):0.5B Chance of enemy survival: 53.85% Pilot Efficiency (ISK):53.39% yep he seems to be the designated buzzard pilot
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:12:00 - [3] Unlike my predecessor I wish to provide customer service to those who I assist in negotiating contracts with. I will attempt to do a significantly better job than the last "face" of F-OFF, as he was so popularly called. Also I will not hesitate to report any off topic posts, flames, or other wise non-informative posting in my thread as I do not want this to be as derailed as the last F-OFF Mercenary thread. You may feel free to post what ever review you have had with this corp, good or bad, as that is what you are entitled to do. Thank you for your understanding and please give me some elbow room as I am new at this. I look forward to working with you and hope you are willing to give me a fair chance as the new contract representative. -Commander Rice
Mickey Simon TEMPLAR.	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Commander Rice Also I will not hesitate to report any off topic posts, flames, or other wise non-informative posting in my thread as I do not want this to be as derailed as the last F-OFF Mercenary thread. You may feel free to post what ever review you have had with this corp, good or bad, as that is what you are entitled to do. Sounds like you're a bit of a nark and can't handle the forums to be honest, perhaps you are not suited to this role (not a troll, some advice) I may have to lower my rating for F-OFF in the other thread due to the new contract managers combat record. Someone with that amount of kills cannot possibly have the experience necessary to organise contracts for a mercenary corporation. (also not a troll, advice). While I am not sure how DamienEx handled contracts, I'm sure he did a much better job than someone with your (lack of) experience will do. All the same, good luck to you.
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Commander Rice Killboard link removed.Applebabe IT'S A MERC-FOR-HIRE THREAD JESUS CHRIST. -------------------------------------------
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Mickey Simon Sounds like you're a bit of a nark and can't handle the forums to be honest, perhaps you are not suited to this role (not a troll, some advice) I may have to lower my rating for F-OFF in the other thread due to the new contract managers combat record. Someone with that amount of kills cannot possibly have the experience necessary to organise contracts for a mercenary corporation. (also not a troll, advice). While I am not sure how DamienEx handled contracts, I'm sure he did a much better job than someone with your (lack of) experience will do. All the same, good luck to you. I am a stickler for forum stuff, what can I say. However I will address your concerns since you have voiced them in a non-flaming manner. My combat record might be small, but I am involved in many PVP engagements, yes, as a buzzard pilot. Aside from flying cap ships, that is what I do best. There seems to be little use for cap ships in high sec merc work ergo I fly recon. I welcome any more questions or comments from you as you lack the destructive nature I have seen all over these forums. Hopefully I can change your views and grade on F-OFF with a more first hand experience than killboard stats and second hand reviews.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:36:00 - [7] applebabe < f-off wow..
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:48:00 - [8] I have a feeling Applebabe is trolling f-off... Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde HYDRA PROVAIL!
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Lana Torrin I have a feeling Applebabe is trolling f-off... I have a feeling applebabe just got petitioned. -------------------------------------------
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 04:54:00 - [10] Edited by: Roastedpot on 07/12/2009 04:54:59 Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected Originally by: Lana Torrin I have a feeling Applebabe is trolling f-off... I have a feeling applebabe just got petitioned. i have a feeling we have upset the gods by mentioning her emotionally unstable name.. edit: f-off gets a +1 ok factor for being a victim of applebabe..

Jerin Wolfe	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:15:00 - [11] Edited by: Jerin Wolfe on 07/12/2009 06:16:06 These guys prey on miners and newbs
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Jerin Wolfe Edited by: Jerin Wolfe on 07/12/2009 06:16:06 These guys prey on miners and newbs We know, but right now we are dealing with another issue, which is the mods effectively killing the ability for people to make an informed decision about the merc corp they are hiring. Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde HYDRA PROVAIL!
Cpt NathanC Minmatar Breach and Clear	Posted - 2009.12.07 07:59:00 - [13] Lol mah post got deleted. Good to know who they prey on, though. I always thought preying on miners was more of a pirate play time activity then a merc corp.
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:01:00 - [14] can i be the face of FOFF http://f-off.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39121 Kills:363 Real kills:240 Losses:53 Damage done (ISK):30.29B Damage received (ISK):2.17B Chance of enemy survival:18.09% Pilot Efficiency (ISK):93.3%
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:08:00 - [15] I feel this thread is missing posts..... Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde HYDRA PROVAIL!
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Lana Torrin I feel this thread is missing posts..... applebabe strikes again
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Lana Torrin I feel this thread is missing posts..... applebabe strikes again dont be silly women in our eve ;)
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:42:00 - [18] gl rice, new paint job cant hurt --- [url=http://www.noir.pinacoderm.com/phpBB3][/url]
Shade Millith International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde gl rice, new paint job cant hurt Considering how the thread's started out.... I don't think it's changed much --------------------------------------------
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Lana Torrin I feel this thread is missing posts..... applebabe strikes again Actually my petition got answered, I think Navigator ninja'd the killboard link back in and removed us all trolling abblebabe -------------------------------------------

Velocity Prime Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:45:00 - [21] Edited by: Velocity Prime on 07/12/2009 19:45:46 Originally by: Armoured C can i be the face of FOFF http://f-off.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39121 Kills:363 Real kills:240 Losses:53 Damage done (ISK):30.29B Damage received (ISK):2.17B Chance of enemy survival:18.09% Pilot Efficiency (ISK):93.3% Woah, cool! There's me! Doing the lion's share of the damage in thier fleets! http://f-off.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58903 Holy cow I am awesome. VelociLogic.com
Bethan Aelesta Caldari Zaurus Research	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:58:00 - [22] Postin' In an epic fail thread
Scatha Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Scatha on 07/12/2009 20:00:48 Originally by: Velocity Prime Edited by: Velocity Prime on 07/12/2009 19:45:46 Originally by: Armoured C can i be the face of FOFF http://f-off.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39121 Kills:363 Real kills:240 Losses:53 Damage done (ISK):30.29B Damage received (ISK):2.17B Chance of enemy survival:18.09% Pilot Efficiency (ISK):93.3% Woah, cool! There's me! Doing the lion's share of the damage in thier fleets! http://f-off.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58903 Holy cow I am awesome. Worst contract ever. Glad we finally fired the old guy as our contract guy. About time. Now if we can only get him to stop taking faction fitted ships into a mob by himself... I just want to shoot stuff.
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:27:00 - [24] hi, and welcome. I'm not at home - so can't get in game atm. Is Damien still part of the corp? Are you looking to correct previous mistakes, or just avoid making mistakes in the future? Are you an alt of his? These are all genuine questions, although I feel it rather odd that we can't bump your thread with a little genuine banter.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:40:00 - [25] ok serious questions.. hmm ok i can do that! what is YOUR stance on charging clients for your insurance? what is YOUR stance on if clients give you wrong intel? instead of working the contract will you just drop it like was done previously? why has your contract efficiency been so abysmal?/why are there no new contracts dispite your previous (or alts) claim that you were still recieving contracts? how many active members do you truely have? your killboard shows only about 5 that are truely active why would you refund a client part of his isk because of your failure, but not all of it? the old claim is because he was not liked, but if your corp truely did not perform (and you acknowledged it from the partial reinbursement), what will make a client trust you in the future? you could just fail all your contracts and give partial reinbursements, pretty bad for business to have something like that in your past. why does your corp allow damienex to single handidly make your target profit from the war? (he dies, looses 500+m, and you guys kill like 5 frigates). people like that would be purged from any respectable merc corp. may aswell bring siigarii in with you too, at least he puts the expensive mods on something more useful than a solo cerberus. whats your opinion of repo? what merc corp do you want to use as an example of how to be successful? whos your favorite f-off troll? how the hell did you get me to post seriously?
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Lightningshade hi, and welcome. I'm not at home - so can't get in game atm. Is Damien still part of the corp? Are you looking to correct previous mistakes, or just avoid making mistakes in the future? Are you an alt of his? These are all genuine questions, although I feel it rather odd that we can't bump your thread with a little genuine banter. Hello and thanks. Damien is still part of the corp, but basically he has been removed from the Merc Contact position and asked not to post in the Merc thread. While a little bit isk-ineffective and an arse he is still a valued member of the corp and will continue with recruitment rather than contracts. Since I have recently been put into this position I am mainly going to focus on avoiding previous mistakes and repair what I am able to. While I can see that there was much arguing about what happened previously, I am not in a position to comment on previous contract or repair damages from them. I can assure you I am not an alt. This is my main account. As a cap pilot I am not seen on many kills in empire, but I have other uses. Someone has to be good at probing things out whether it be a target or a WH. Also, there is some banter that is reasonable and things that are just out right destructive. I dont mind the little banter back and fourth but I really dont see the point in trolling, flaming, or completely off topic post. Needless to say, i might be an idealist when it comes to this, but hopefully other will respect my decisions and provide constructive criticism or positive comments in regards to their feelings of F-OFF or my personal methods. Hopefully that satisfies your curiosity. -Rice
Simvastatin Montelukast Qui dormit non peccat Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:48:00 - [27] Edited by: Simvastatin Montelukast on 07/12/2009 20:49:11 Here is a question that I have often wondered, but never asked in a merc "hire me" thread. With all these other corps flaming/smacking, why don't you go after them? Honestly it would be the best way to sort out which of you guys is best. And while I understand there are logistic problems involved (some merc in high sec, others low, different regions etc.) Some of you guys have overlap. When one of them smacks you in your forum, take them out. Just a thought. Otherwise nice post, wish you the best.
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Roastedpot ok serious questions.. hmm ok i can do that! what is YOUR stance on charging clients for your insurance? Depending on the nature of the contract, I feel that it can be expected in cases where we are getting paid to lose ships. I sight the example of the Mostly Harmless contract. Given we were going to be judged on the response time of the MH fleet, and not the ability for us to out blob them, we decided to keep the insurance payout low, that we would use Battlecruisers since the insurance cost is low. they have enough firepower to effectively have a sizable gang formed against them, and that is what happened (so I gather from our loss mails). However, in a typical war dec, I don not feel that insurance should be a top priority. It seems reasonable to put the offer on the table, asking for 10 or 20% of total ship damages (excluding Damien faction mods), but not making it required. If it is a contract where there are high losses expected, it seems more reasonable to charge insurance while as low risk targets it seems pointless. Quote: what is YOUR stance on if clients give you wrong intel? instead of working the contract will you just drop it like was done previously? To me this seems to be a tricky question. If wrong intel constitutes "hi they are in ssytem X, Y and Z" but we find them in systems a, b, and C in the same region, that seems reasonable enough to work around. Intel such as "this is an empire corp in system X" and we come to find that the whole corp has gone to live in worm hole space, if the client cant provide a means into the worm hole and we spend time trying to find the worm hole, i would say that we give their isk back and call it quits. I will not drop a contract because we can not find the systems that the characters exist in, if it is in real space. But not being able to access a target because they are in a worm hole that we have no way of finding, then I do not feel it is unreasonable to return the isk and call it quits. Quote: why has your contract efficiency been so abysmal?/why are there no new contracts dispite your previous (or alts) claim that you were still recieving contracts? You can thank Damien for that. As you can see, faction fitted ships (1.7 bil isk cerberus, Shadow serpentis webs on a Huginn) and fighting against the odds (soloing 10 guys in a curse) will result in losses of unreasonable proportion. While some contracts we have killed 20+ characters, one loss can throw the whole balance off if the mods on the ship cost more than the ship itself. I do not know why no new contacts have been posted or why claims were made that there were contracts posted. All i can say is that hopefully a new rep will take care of that problem.
Scatha Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:06:00 - [29] Edited by: Scatha on 07/12/2009 21:06:47 Originally by: Roastedpot whos your favorite f-off troll? Easy! Major Riven. edit: I like to throw that Redneck under any bus I can. It's fun.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Simvastatin Montelukast Edited by: Simvastatin Montelukast on 07/12/2009 20:49:11 Here is a question that I have often wondered, but never asked in a merc "hire me" thread. With all these other corps flaming/smacking, why don't you go after them? Honestly it would be the best way to sort out which of you guys is best. And while I understand there are logistic problems involved (some merc in high sec, others low, different regions etc.) Some of you guys have overlap. When one of them smacks you in your forum, take them out. Just a thought. Otherwise nice post, wish you the best. because either a) they cant back it up and know it b) awknowledge it is a hazard of the work place (which it is) c) most of the people saying stuff about them have (in the past threads) been previous employers, or have been c&p regulars or ex-mercs who have seen all of this song and dance before c.1) and of the people who fall into c, most are not in a corp that is easily decable, like my one man corp of sheer-lazyness-and-inactivity oh and the obligatory anti-f-off reason, d) they cant stick to contracts inwhich they are paid let alone vendetta wars without getting emo and quiting the war

Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Commander Rice Originally by: Roastedpot ok serious questions.. hmm ok i can do that! what is YOUR stance on charging clients for your insurance? Depending on the nature of the contract, I feel that it can be expected in cases where we are getting paid to lose ships. I sight the example of the Mostly Harmless contract. Given we were going to be judged on the response time of the MH fleet, and not the ability for us to out blob them, we decided to keep the insurance payout low, that we would use Battlecruisers since the insurance cost is low. they have enough firepower to effectively have a sizable gang formed against them, and that is what happened (so I gather from our loss mails). However, in a typical war dec, I don not feel that insurance should be a top priority. It seems reasonable to put the offer on the table, asking for 10 or 20% of total ship damages (excluding Damien faction mods), but not making it required. If it is a contract where there are high losses expected, it seems more reasonable to charge insurance while as low risk targets it seems pointless. Quote: what is YOUR stance on if clients give you wrong intel? instead of working the contract will you just drop it like was done previously? To me this seems to be a tricky question. If wrong intel constitutes "hi they are in ssytem X, Y and Z" but we find them in systems a, b, and C in the same region, that seems reasonable enough to work around. Intel such as "this is an empire corp in system X" and we come to find that the whole corp has gone to live in worm hole space, if the client cant provide a means into the worm hole and we spend time trying to find the worm hole, i would say that we give their isk back and call it quits. I will not drop a contract because we can not find the systems that the characters exist in, if it is in real space. But not being able to access a target because they are in a worm hole that we have no way of finding, then I do not feel it is unreasonable to return the isk and call it quits. Quote: why has your contract efficiency been so abysmal?/why are there no new contracts dispite your previous (or alts) claim that you were still recieving contracts? You can thank Damien for that. As you can see, faction fitted ships (1.7 bil isk cerberus, Shadow serpentis webs on a Huginn) and fighting against the odds (soloing 10 guys in a curse) will result in losses of unreasonable proportion. While some contracts we have killed 20+ characters, one loss can throw the whole balance off if the mods on the ship cost more than the ship itself. I do not know why no new contacts have been posted or why claims were made that there were contracts posted. All i can say is that hopefully a new rep will take care of that problem. Ok - no questions this time, but comment. First off, I hate you. Why do I hate you? You are providing reasonable answers and making it very difficult to dislike you. Your being professional to top it off with. I genuinely think the corp may be taking a turn in direction, and I welcome this
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:15:00 - [32] Quote: how many active members do you truely have? your killboard shows only about 5 that are truely active. There are active members and active members that are actively killing. I will not comment on how many active members we have, but I will address that in empire war, sometimes you have to tackle a guy on one side of the gate to make him jump through so everyone else can kill him. Some people warp to the wrong gate, some people arent in fleet, and they aren't able to warp to the guy getting shot. Also some members just arent online when all the action happens. At least this is what I gather from sitting in a carrier most of the time. Quote: why would you refund a client part of his isk because of your failure, but not all of it? the old claim is because he was not liked, but if your corp truely did not perform (and you acknowledged it from the partial reinbursement), what will make a client trust you in the future? you could just fail all your contracts and give partial reinbursements, pretty bad for business to have something like that in your past. Ask Damien, not myself, as I had nothing to do with that contract or any part of the negotiation process of it. If this case ever comes up again and it is my call, I will refund the isk due to the contract not being fulfilled. Quote: why does your corp allow damienex to single handidly make your target profit from the war? (he dies, looses 500+m, and you guys kill like 5 frigates). people like that would be purged from any respectable merc corp. may aswell bring siigarii in with you too, at least he puts the expensive mods on something more useful than a solo cerberus. Leadership has smacked him around a good bit. When you have known someone for years, such as myself and most of F-OFF leadership, you dont exactly get rid of them just because they like to fly expensive ships. You just tell them to think before they undock and leave the expensive ships to large gangs, not solo runs. Cant blame a guy to much for liking a ship now can you :-) Quote: whats your opinion of repo? I have only heard things about REPO and can make no comment on them. I have never had first hand experience with them therefore if I formed an opinion it would be based on hearsay and inaccurate. Quote: what merc corp do you want to use as an example of how to be successful? Noir, UnderWorld, and The Maelstrom Crew are what I consider to be merc corps with reputations that have been well earned. Since I am just now getting to know the other mercs now that I have joiend the Merc Contact channel and will be able to provide a more informed opinion as i get to know the others reps better. Quote: whos your favorite f-off troll? Lana. Maybe you now that you are being a bit less destructive and a little more respectful at my attempt to right a few wrongs. Or at least change some policys. Quote: how the hell did you get me to post seriously? Because I am attempting to be more mature and less of a tool than my predecessor? Hope that helps.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Lightningshade Ok - no questions this time, but comment. First off, I hate you. Why do I hate you? You are providing reasonable answers and making it very difficult to dislike you. Your being professional to top it off with. I genuinely think the corp may be taking a turn in direction, and I welcome this this.. but.. more.. :( ill be watching you close since i currently have no other threads to *****
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Simvastatin Montelukast Edited by: Simvastatin Montelukast on 07/12/2009 20:49:11 Here is a question that I have often wondered, but never asked in a merc "hire me" thread. With all these other corps flaming/smacking, why don't you go after them? Honestly it would be the best way to sort out which of you guys is best. And while I understand there are logistic problems involved (some merc in high sec, others low, different regions etc.) Some of you guys have overlap. When one of them smacks you in your forum, take them out. Just a thought. Otherwise nice post, wish you the best. Sometimes it is difficult to target a one man corp. Other times, you just don't want to waste your time with larger alliance that could steam roll you if you so choose to do anything to them. I feel its better just to step back and let them talk smack. A potential employer is going to make up their mind based on their own reasoning, not necessarily the reasoning of trolls, flamers, or anti-F-OFF people.
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:30:00 - [35] I hope I will be able to continuously answer your question to your satisfaction and change your views of F-OFF to reflect it in more of a positive light. -Rice
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:55:00 - [36] MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% MRBC Rates this mercenary group at 18/100 Treacherous *Please see more detailed revue posted in previous thread
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:59:00 - [37] Edited by: Lightningshade on 07/12/2009 22:00:36 Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% MRBC Rates this mercenary group at 18/100 Treacherous *Please see more detailed revue posted in previous thread Riven really isn't likely to be either of them. Damien can't form sentences in the way Rice does. There is a 90% chance your making up statistics. 100% chance we both are :/
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.07 22:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% MRBC Rates this mercenary group at 18/100 Treacherous *Please see more detailed revue posted in previous thread as a exFOFF i can tell you that these guys are seperate and are not alts of each other, turst me on this. i welcome this change FOFF, this guy seem to actually know how to PR in a large number of cases , sorry damien but you did suck, yeah you can kill. I have quest a few suggestions that i would like to lay out to you being a EXFOFF member. 1. please get rid of that total kill on the forum, 90% of those kills you have done in 0.0 which is different to merc work since. Post your contracts and that will make you look more professional. 2.recruit!?! clearly you don't have the numbers that you had before and maybe take a month or two off to gain valuable mercinaries companion into the corp 3. Efficiency, Efficiency and Efficiency! I consider a mercinary corp based on it Efficiency rather than kills, which means you have to get the pilots who are active in line with the new ways of thinking. Being in Noir. has shown me sides or mercenaries that i didn't think about being either from 0.0 or empire background. You just have to be more professional about it. Not saying there is anything wrong to damien for fitting faction but don't loose it, which in most cases dont fit it. Your clients wants to see Efficiency. Only have been in the industry as long as you have these are the core values that i have picked up. I would also maybe start like other merc do when they start here and just change for wardec's to maybe get you Efficiency up since your based on this when potiental contracts look at your killboard. good luck rice, maybe get into a inty and get involved more. you need to keep a track of what they are doing ect ect.
w1ldt4ngent SWARTA	Posted - 2009.12.07 23:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% MRBC Rates this mercenary group at 18/100 Treacherous Please see more detailed revue posted in previous thread 100% chance that you're still a tool. Seriously, how do you even take yourself* seriously knowing nobody here gives you credit for a damned thing? Funny how you always grab the page 2 sniper too. ___________________________ Swartans! Tonight we dine in Hek!
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:19:00 - [40] First off, congrats and good luck in your new position. I indeed hope that you handle things better than DamienEx did(n't). Second, as someone who was ripped off by your corp (at the admission of members of your corp, including DameinEx), do you have any intention of refunding ISK paid for a contract not even attempted? If not, how do you expect clients to trust you not to take the money and just decide not to log on, as your corp did with my contract? Is the intention to just take money, walk away laughing, report former clients to CCP for giving poor reviews, then just change PR people and start new threads when the accountability gets to be too much of a pain? I ask these questions sincerely. I interacted with a couple of quality pilots in your corp during the failed contract. Unfortunately, since management decided not to tell the corporation about the tasks they had been paid for, I did not get to meet more of them. It is my hope that with new management you can be less of a shameful laughing stock and attempt to regain some lost credibility. If I see this actually happening I will be the first to heap praise and might even have another contract or three. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears

Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Simvastatin Montelukast With all these other corps flaming/smacking, why don't you go after them? Honestly it would be the best way to sort out which of you guys is best. Because they would get their **** pushed in. -------------------------------------------
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Armoured C as a exFOFF i can tell you that these guys are seperate and are not alts of each other, turst me on this. And this is all the creditability the we (Riven, Damien, and myself) need to show we are in-fact not alts of each other. Quote: i welcome this change FOFF, this guy seem to actually know how to PR in a large number of cases , sorry damien but you did suck, yeah you can kill. Compliment appreciated :-) Quote: 1. please get rid of that total kill on the forum, 90% of those kills you have done in 0.0 which is different to merc work since. Post your contracts and that will make you look more professional. I don't control the kill board but I do believe there is a section that you can view our contracts and the efficiency of each. Ill talk to the KB manager to see if he can get a section up that is all contract history only. Quote: 2.recruit!?! clearly you don't have the numbers that you had before and maybe take a month or two off to gain valuable mercenaries companion into the corp Maybe I should take over recruitment too :-) Quote: 3. Efficiency, Efficiency and Efficiency! I consider a mercinary corp based on it Efficiency rather than kills, which means you have to get the pilots who are active in line with the new ways of thinking. Being in Noir. has shown me sides or mercenaries that i didn't think about being either from 0.0 or empire background. You just have to be more professional about it. Not saying there is anything wrong to damien for fitting faction but don't loose it, which in most cases dont fit it. Your clients wants to see Efficiency. I mentioned earlier that we smacked him around a good bit and we shouldn't see any faction ships anytime soon :-) Well at least not anytime solo. Quote: Only have been in the industry as long as you have these are the core values that i have picked up. I would also maybe start like other merc do when they start here and just change for wardec's to maybe get you Efficiency up since your based on this when potiental contracts look at your killboard. good luck rice, maybe get into a inty and get involved more. you need to keep a track of what they are doing ect ect. I appreciate the advice and welcome anymore that you have to give me in the coming future.
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.08 00:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:16:00 - [44] Edited by: Commander Rice on 08/12/2009 01:23:57 Originally by: Paul Clavet The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. I am not going to deny that we happen to be real life friends, but our methods and in game play styles differ greatly. While yes we are changing the PR face of F-OFF I would like to make it clear, just because we are friends, doesn't mean we agree on anything and everything. Take this for what it is, my explanation that we are two different people with two different means of doing things. Originally by: Paul Clavet First off, congrats and good luck in your new position. I indeed hope that you handle things better than DamienEx did(n't). Second, as someone who was ripped off by your corp (at the admission of members of your corp, including DameinEx), do you have any intention of refunding ISK paid for a contract not even attempted? If not, how do you expect clients to trust you not to take the money and just decide not to log on, as your corp did with my contract? Is the intention to just take money, walk away laughing, report former clients to CCP for giving poor reviews, then just change PR people and start new threads when the accountability gets to be too much of a pain? I ask these questions sincerely. I interacted with a couple of quality pilots in your corp during the failed contract. Unfortunately, since management decided not to tell the corporation about the tasks they had been paid for, I did not get to meet more of them. It is my hope that with new management you can be less of a shameful laughing stock and attempt to regain some lost credibility. If I see this actually happening I will be the first to heap praise and might even have another contract or three. I am not authorized to refund you any of the isk from your contract. I am not sure how I can convince the C&P community how they can trust myself instead of the old merc contact or how we can regain legitimacy. I know these are just words, but were it my call, you would have been refunded well before this whole mess started. As far as changing face, I do not understand why the corp sees a new face to be a good move but not refunding a failed contract. Once again, as I have just come into this job, I do not feel I have the information necessary to provide a reliable response as to why you were not refunded in the first place. I can assure you though the only post's I will report are ones that are destructive (trolling, flaming, and smack talking) and will accept poor or positive reviews as they come, seeing as that is the whole point of having a merc thread. I sincerely hope, and I ask this knowing the weight that it carries, that you will reconsider F-OFF as a reliable merc corp in the future and take this change of face as a means of righting wrongs that have been committed. -Rice
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Commander Rice I am not authorized to refund you any of the isk from your contract. I am not sure how I can convince the C&P community how they can trust myself instead of the old merc contact or how we can regain legitimacy. I know these are just words, but were it my call, you would have been refunded well before this whole mess started. You answered your own question, but it appears that you haven't the power to properly manage the PR effort that you are supposed to pull from the fire. Talk about being set up to fail. Here's a hint about regaining credibility: When your corporation fails a contract, then your predecessor responds to the poor review by reporting it to CCP and then stating that he "doesn't give a ****" in the forum that is supposed to be a showcase for your good work, the thing to do might be, oh, refund the money and offer an apology for the disservice. Words without actions attached are, as you said, just words. It's obvious that you are either unwilling or lack the authority to do the job you've been given. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. ok, now your creeping even me out..
Mickey Simon TEMPLAR.	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. ok, now your creeping even me out.. No kidding, UNLESS Paul Clavet is also an alt and is trying to perpetuate a cunning ruse. This gets pretty deep I imagine.
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. ok, now your creeping even me out.. Sorry. I'm very, very good at it. Ask Michella and Velocity Prime. If I didn't think I would get hit with the banstick for it I would totally advertise my metagaming services for hire. As it is, I mostly use it to track down people who make RL threats so I can report them to their local police/college administrators. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Paul Clavet Sorry. I'm very, very good at it. Ask Michella and Velocity Prime. If I didn't think I would get hit with the banstick for it I would totally advertise my metagaming services for hire. As it is, I mostly use it to track down people who make RL threats so I can report them to their local police/college administrators. Not going to lie... very creeped out right now. Next thing i know you'll be bringing Damiens severed head to my door step...
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.08 01:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. ok, now your creeping even me out.. Sorry. I'm very, very good at it. Ask Michella and Velocity Prime. If I didn't think I would get hit with the banstick for it I would totally advertise my metagaming services for hire. As it is, I mostly use it to track down people who make RL threats so I can report them to their local police/college administrators. f-off gets +1 ok point because of you..

Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.08 02:31:00 - [51] rice want another piece of advice, as the new face of FOFF you need to have actual power. Since you are showing your completly powerless other than just telling us stuff you actually have no power over any policy in FOFF. As contracts manager you need to gain control of all past, present and future contracts, pay paul back, gain control off the killboard as it is you who is contracting, i have very little doubt about your running skills in this job but you have no juristiction it seems since you apear to not eb able to do anything other than talk of which is sounds like it is probably through riven or damienx. you need to make yourself a complete entity in FOFF, just be thankful that i am not at the helm incharge of the FOFF merc section. i would have you lied up with work for the next month easy with out even trying. That month alone would prove your worth s a mercenary group and weather you should continue down this road in your current state.
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.08 03:22:00 - [52] I have access to the merc wallet and can take from it with reason. I can also start votes for war decs to get the ball rolling. I however have two options.... refund Paul, and get the boot from F-OFF for not doing what the boss tells me, or attempt to see that something like that never happens again, and just leave the past as is (whether or not it should be left that way or not). So as you see, my hands are tied. I havent exactly been put into the most convenient of positions. Or easy for that matter. I will speak with F-OFF leadership and see if I can resolve the situation. So I wont just roll over and let this die :-)
Docc Stark Shadow Pantheon	Posted - 2009.12.08 04:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Commander Rice I have access to the merc wallet and can take from it with reason. I can also start votes for war decs to get the ball rolling. I however have two options.... refund Paul, and get the boot from F-OFF for not doing what the boss tells me, or attempt to see that something like that never happens again, and just leave the past as is (whether or not it should be left that way or not). So as you see, my hands are tied. I havent exactly been put into the most convenient of positions. Or easy for that matter. I will speak with F-OFF leadership and see if I can resolve the situation. So I wont just roll over and let this die :-) And another F-OFF employment thread finds itself derailed and completely neutered. Word of advice Cmdr Rice, stop letting yourself get pulled into discussions you can not win and then showing a complete lack of real controlling power over the organization you strive to become the face of... let alone rifts and dissent within said organization.
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.08 07:49:00 - [54] Edited by: JordanParey on 08/12/2009 07:50:54 Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Paul Clavet Originally by: Michael Hoare MRBC Intelligence reports the probability of Commander Rice, Major Riven and DamienEx being alts of the same player at 87% The first thing I did upon seeing this thread was some research to see if I could out Rice as an alt of Damien. Non-Eve research confirms that though they are distinct individuals, they live in the same small geographical area and think of each other as best buds. Thus, take anything said about a new style of management with a grain of salt. This appears to be little more than getting a new PR front and continuing business as usual. ok, now your creeping even me out.. Sorry. I'm very, very good at it. Ask Michella and Velocity Prime. If I didn't think I would get hit with the banstick for it I would totally advertise my metagaming services for hire. As it is, I mostly use it to track down people who make RL threats so I can report them to their local police/college administrators. Confirming that Paul owns many guns, drives a white unmarked Ford van, and that he is probably watching posters through bedroom windows while furiously fapping.
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.12.08 09:53:00 - [55] In light of recent developments, MRBC has re-evaluated this mercenary group: Review: Federation of Freedom Fighters (F-OFF) Price: 5/25 Leadership: 1/25 Capability: 5/25 Efficiency: 3/25 MRBC Rates this mercenary group 14/100 (Treacherous) on the new modified scale. Recent internal dissent has led to a schism within the group Merc has been alleged to take bribes, has a history of contract failure ** Merc has been alleged to betray employers and comrades alike
w1ldt4ngent SWARTA	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:45:00 - [56] Edited by: w1ldt4ngent on 08/12/2009 10:53:58 Edited by: w1ldt4ngent on 08/12/2009 10:52:25 Originally by: Michael Hoare In light of recent developments, MRBC has re-evaluated this mercenary group: Review: Federation of Freedom Fighters (F-OFF) Price: 5/25 Leadership: 1/25 Capability: 5/25 Efficiency: 3/25 MRBC Rates this mercenary group 14/100 (Treacherous) on the new modified scale. Recent internal dissent has led to a schism within the group Merc has been alleged to take bribes, has a history of contract failure Merc has been alleged to betray employers and comrades alike Alright, I'm getting tired of you. If you really do have any experience or accolades that would qualify you as an authority on this subject, go ahead and post your main, you have nothing to fear. But, if you have none, as I suspect, and are just talking out of your ass... just shut up. Nobody takes you seriously right now, because you have no reputation besides that of a loud-mouth armchair "merc expert". Your posts are subjective speculation at best, with nothing to back up any of your comments. You are not in these merc corps, so are unqualified to judge their leadership and internal affairs. At best, the only thing you could comment on as a customer would be price, effectiveness, and efficiency, with the first two being subjective assessments. If you're a troll, then I congratulate you, you succeeded. Edit for spelling. ___________________________ Swartans! Tonight we dine in Hek!**
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.08 11:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Commander Rice I have access to the merc wallet and can take from it with reason. I can also start votes for war decs to get the ball rolling. I however have two options.... refund Paul, and get the boot from F-OFF for not doing what the boss tells me, or attempt to see that something like that never happens again, and just leave the past as is (whether or not it should be left that way or not). So as you see, my hands are tied. I havent exactly been put into the most convenient of positions. Or easy for that matter. I will speak with F-OFF leadership and see if I can resolve the situation. So I wont just roll over and let this die :-) and unfornatually this is where it hits home, your a face and that's it. Nothing has changed in the background to suggest that there has been any change. your still under instructions from the poor leadership which is why i resided my position at FOFF. Your a nice guy but you have no controll over contracts that your setting up. Just like before if something like paul happens again "you will get the boot unless you do what the boss says" and this situation will arrise again, you just have no control over the area which your ment to have control.
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:14:00 - [58] If that's honestly the case m8 they are doing you a great disservice as a contract manager. Basically a big F**K YOU to the person who's taking on one of the most important roles in a merc corp. Tell the corp leadership to give you the deciding authority to do what you think is best to manage F-OFF's contracts or I'd tell them they could go do it themselves. ---
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.08 15:58:00 - [59] [MERC] Killers Fit to Kill for You, F-OFF (New Figurehead)
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.08 17:01:00 - [60] Hi In order to preserve some integrity - I would like to see a direct post from Riven as to your sphere of influence and your actual executive powers please.

Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.08 21:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Lightningshade Hi In order to preserve some integrity - I would like to see a direct post from Riven as to your sphere of influence and your actual executive powers please. this i would like to see , just to see how tight your reins are
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.08 21:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Lightningshade Hi In order to preserve some integrity - I would like to see a direct post from Riven as to your sphere of influence and your actual executive powers please. this i would like to see , just to see how tight your reins are Well, may take a while. But at least I can't be shouted at by him anymore...well guess I could
Major Riven Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.08 22:43:00 - [63] Commander Rice has taken over ALL Merc business and is in TOTAL control of Payments, Terms, and in the matter of failed contracts refunds as well if he feels they are called for. I have stayed out of this thread its the concern of the person I put in charge of it to handle it. Major Riven
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.08 22:47:00 - [64] This is my official statement regarding the client Paul Clavet. I have issues a refund of 350mil, as that is what I have found to be the full cost of what was taken from him by Damien. I hope this is sufficient to start the process of clearing F-OFF's name. It is my first act of turning the tides of new management, not new PR. -Rice
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.12.08 23:44:00 - [65] I would like to see Paul Clavett make a post confirming your refund. Then I would like to ask what you intend to do about the other people whose money you have taken without even attempting to fulfill their contracts? You have already identified me (incorrectly) as the alt of one of these unsatisfied customers in an earlier post, do you intend to refund that money as well?
w1ldt4ngent SWARTA	Posted - 2009.12.08 23:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Michael Hoare I would like to see Paul Clavett make a post confirming your refund. Then I would like to ask what you intend to do about the other people whose money you have taken without even attempting to fulfill their contracts? You have already identified me (incorrectly) as the alt of one of these unsatisfied customers in an earlier post, do you intend to refund that money as well? Not even bothering to respond to my criticism of your reviews basically tells me all I need to know. Care to tell us who these other clients are? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? Still think you're a troll. ___________________________ Swartans! Tonight we dine in Hek!
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.08 23:59:00 - [67] Originally by: Commander Rice This is my official statement regarding the client Paul Clavet. I have issues a refund of 350mil, as that is what I have found to be the full cost of what was taken from him by Damien. I hope this is sufficient to start the process of clearing F-OFF's name. It is my first act of turning the tides of new management, not new PR. -Rice +10 ok points, would be more but paul is a creeper
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.09 01:10:00 - [68] Originally by: w1ldt4ngent Commander Rice, I believe you will do a fine job as F-OFF's new contract manager, and will consider your corporation for future merc work if I so require it. Thank you for your support. I look forward to working with you and fulfilling contracts for you. Originally by: Roastedpot +10 ok points, would be more but paul is a creeper Agreed.
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.09 08:37:00 - [69] Now you need to move to step 2, recruitment. You need more active members. To complete contracts, you do seem lacking in terms of active people. I have full confidence that your the shake up that foff needs, it seems riven has given you the leache in terms of merc contract and now all you need is the bodies to helf fufill said contractts. I suggest you start with something like 4 free contracts which would take you up to a month so that you can show off your efficientcy since the last few week. It has been terrible. That's the last of the advice I will be giving in this thread. As I to am in a merc corp, I trust you will do well , start off with just war dec fee's or free contracts to get your efficienty up and back in the positive light in terms of available mercs and hope that the leadership does leave you to it, as if they really are not and do have you on tight rein then foff won't be able to preform as a merc group as your not in the position to do important decisions. Good luck and hope you do it right this time O7
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.09 16:56:00 - [70] In mu opinion, knowing that you have your CEO's backing and executive powers with the merc wallet and the decision making powers, you are now on the road to potential success. I wish you the best of luck

JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.09 19:16:00 - [71] Just posting to say that if you guys are going to do a few freebies in order to show off your killing prowess, I'd like to be first in line; I can think of a few targets. (No, they won't be impossible to locate or hard to kill.)
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.10 01:39:00 - [72] I have no problem delivering a few freebies, but first thing is first. We do have one contract going active that will take priority over anything else for the time being. Then we have some other plans in the work but I will keep the public informed of our operations and make sure the promotional offer is put out in the near future. I look forward to these new changes and making a troubled past dissipate. -Rice
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.12.10 03:23:00 - [73] Originally by: Commander Rice Unlike my predecessor I wish to provide customer service to those who I assist in negotiating contracts with. I will attempt to do a significantly better job than the last "face" of F-OFF, as he was so popularly called. Your last "face" is the only one of you who made a real and consistent attempt to execute your contracts. It's not his PR skills that caused the lashback at you guys, but, how little offensive work you do on contract (although your prices are pretty low so get what you pay for I guess). Damien did more for your reputation than any "PR" ever could: he actually went out of his way to pvp while you guys were on contract (which really shouldn't be that unique or special, but is). Heh. I remember when we had to go to bring the fight to the system you were basing out of after you decced us to get a decent battle. That was sad, was looking forward to more fights during that war. Don't blame damien for your reputation problems. Get your participation up during wars and they'll go away on their own.
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:37:00 - [74] Sorry for the late response. I haven't been on a computer in a couple of days. I can't get my Eve client to patch to log on, but my API reports a bump in my wallet consistent with a 350 million ISK refund. My two demands were a refund and apology. Refund? Check. Apology? Well, at least an admittance of wrongdoing, which combined with the refund constitutes an apology, of sorts. Check. I am not likely to hire F-OFF again until I see some results and testimonials from satisfied clients. The settlement, while months late and interest-free, is at least enough to show that F-OFF is attempting to regain some credibility after the free-fall failscade of the former (current?) reign of DamienEx. In closing, I wish F-OFF all the best but would still urge customers to hold their payments until after the work has been completed. (Paul Clavet drives his surveillance van into the sunset. As he vanishes beyond the horizon, you can hear a faint fapping sound...) ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.11 04:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Paul Clavet (Paul Clavet drives his surveillance van into the sunset. As he vanishes beyond the horizon, you can hear a faint fapping sound...) and an epic finale to eve's biggest creeper haha
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.11 09:42:00 - [76] Originally by: Paul Clavet (Paul Clavet drives his surveillance van into the sunset. As he vanishes beyond the horizon, you can hear a faint fapping sound...) Knowing Paul for more than a year due to his time in SN, I can assure the denizens of C+P that Paul REALLY WOULD do that. I wonder if the police would issue a DWF (Drving While Fapping) ticket?
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.11 09:48:00 - [77] Dibs on 2nd free contract? -------------------------------------------
DeathCamper	Posted - 2009.12.11 10:41:00 - [78] Next step should be to allow Cosmo/Hurley/Marti and NuNu back in Corp. to continue to add creditability back to F-FOFF.
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:39:00 - [79] Bump for the thread.
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.12 06:53:00 - [80] Free bump to our honourable enemies. Having been on the receiving end of an F-OFF wardec for the past several days, I have the following to say about them: Good Activity! They hunt their target 23/7. I have left my computer to tend to housework or run to the store, come back and still been camped by either the same person or someone else. Only once in the past three days have I been able to undock without having to fly past or fight through one of these guys. Good Attentiveness! These guys are pretty sharp about finding people. Upon getting away from one of them, I often find myself in an adjacent system with one of them, and within a half-hour or so of fully escaping the group of them in an Interceptor, I have been found again. Good Spirit! These guys are willing to engage. Whether it's 1v1 or 4v1, they are willing to lay down the fire on a target. Good Fights! These guys know how to fit ships effectively. I've had a blast going against them. My only complaint against the boys of F-OFF is the rudeness of their leaders. While the men actually flying and fighting are polite or silent (i.e., behave themselves professionally), the leadership tends to be both crass and rude in local. One supposes this is a great front to project if one is a mercenary corporation (i.e., intimidate the enemy), but I can't be sure it's an act. Time will tell if they are actually as disrespectful as I have seen them.

Suladriel Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.12.12 11:46:00 - [81] I was winding up an old eve friend about joining F-OFF a week or so ago to the point where we sort of don't talk anymore I had not seen the negative threads about F-OFF and can now see where my winding up had touched a nerve.... sorry for that m8, I can see why you got upset... The kb stats are aweful though Anyway, onto my real point. It seems that the new face of F-OFF is doing a great job and he articulates himself very well, coming off very professionally. I commend you for this. I have some very old friends who have recently joined F-OFF in the new blood so to speak and I wish them well and I hope they find the fun that they are after. I can vouch for their credibility and hope that F-OFF do manage to rebuild their collective reputation. Though I fear for them that it may be a very long process. Best of luck. Commander Rice +1 you are doing a great job so far, keep it up My old friends +1 I hope you enjoy the YARR -------------- .___. {O,o} /)__) -"-"- O RLY? I'm not famous, nor infamous. (ffs, broke my sig again!!!)
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.12 22:08:00 - [82] Originally by: Lyris Nairn Upon perusing their killboard, I have concluded that they do not post all of their losses. This is a negative mark. I will not fling poo here or get into details; an interested user will do their own search of public resources. Caveat emptor I have checked the killboard and I have checked the corp list for kills/losses and I see all of our losses posted. Seeing as our kill board does API pulls, whether or not the original killer/loser posts the mail or not, it will be updated automatically.
Pathfinda75 Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:48:00 - [83] .........annnnnnnd FACE!
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.12.17 17:52:00 - [84] Quote: I have checked the killboard and I have checked the corp list for kills/losses and I see all of our losses posted. Seeing as our kill board does API pulls, whether or not the original killer/loser posts the mail or not, it will be updated automatically. EDIT: I was just informed that the API on our killboard is broken, which would explain any missing loss mails. Let me get this straight. . . You claim, with righteous indignation, that your killboard is 100% accurate because your kills are posted automatically via API. . . but only a moment later you state that the API function is 'broken'. So your detractors are correct, you DO lie on your killboards! Funny how it is only your losses that seem to not get reported. . . .
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.17 18:04:00 - [85] Edited by: Commander Rice on 17/12/2009 18:04:14 Considering API issues happen often, including after large patches, its not strange for this to happen. I didn't feel the need to announce that "the kill board has been fixed" but for your sake I will announce that the kill board has been fixed and all mails are up to date. Anything else I can help you with?
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.17 18:08:00 - [86] Originally by: Michael Hoare Quote: I have checked the killboard and I have checked the corp list for kills/losses and I see all of our losses posted. Seeing as our kill board does API pulls, whether or not the original killer/loser posts the mail or not, it will be updated automatically. EDIT: I was just informed that the API on our killboard is broken, which would explain any missing loss mails. Let me get this straight. . . You claim, with righteous indignation, that your killboard is 100% accurate because your kills are posted automatically via API. . . but only a moment later you state that the API function is 'broken'. So your detractors are correct, you DO lie on your killboards! Funny how it is only your losses that seem to not get reported. . . . The edit he made was not "a moment" later, but 32 minutes later. More than enough time for him to link the post to a CEO and discover that API isn't working. Boards with API auto-updates seem to malfunction every so often, and I know for a fact that there are times where Suddenly Ninjas' KB was in need of manual uploading due to a broken auto-uploader.
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.17 18:11:00 - [87] Edited by: Lightningshade on 17/12/2009 18:12:32 Originally by: Michael Hoare Quote: I have checked the killboard and I have checked the corp list for kills/losses and I see all of our losses posted. Seeing as our kill board does API pulls, whether or not the original killer/loser posts the mail or not, it will be updated automatically. EDIT: I was just informed that the API on our killboard is broken, which would explain any missing loss mails. Let me get this straight. . . You claim, with righteous indignation, that your killboard is 100% accurate because your kills are posted automatically via API. . . but only a moment later you state that the API function is 'broken'. So your detractors are correct, you DO lie on your killboards! Funny how it is only your losses that seem to not get reported. . . . Oh no - something technical failed! Do you currently live in an environment where EVERYTHING that involves any form of technology works 100% of the time? 32 mins later - not a "moment" as you put it. You really are a horrible little cretin. EDIT: I also see a few questions asked of you, but yet you seem to side step them. Any particular reason for this?
w1ldt4ngent SWARTA	Posted - 2009.12.17 20:53:00 - [88] Originally by: Lightningshade Edited by: Lightningshade on 17/12/2009 18:12:32 EDIT: I also see a few questions asked of you, but yet you seem to side step them. Any particular reason for this? Perhaps being a faceless alt only capable of making straw-man arguments has something to do with it? He knows he's wrong but is doing his best to ignore. ___________________________ Swartans! Tonight we dine in Hek!
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.17 21:05:00 - [89] Originally by: w1ldt4ngent Originally by: Lightningshade Edited by: Lightningshade on 17/12/2009 18:12:32 EDIT: I also see a few questions asked of you, but yet you seem to side step them. Any particular reason for this? Perhaps being a faceless alt only capable of making straw-man arguments has something to do with it? He knows he's wrong but is doing his best to ignore. He could be Joe's alt - although MH shows a slightly better understanding of the English language. Regardless of the fact, alt is a cretin and thus so the main will be.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.12.17 22:02:00 - [90] Originally by: Commander Rice This is my official statement regarding the client Paul Clavet. I have issues a refund of 350mil, as that is what I have found to be the full cost of what was taken from him by Damien. Wow - So the C&P posters have convinced the leadership of F-OFF to backtrack - [to paraphrase Rice] "If I refund the isk I'll get booted." So thanks to the good (cough cough) citizens of C&P Commander Rice now has the power to do his job. It is really nice (suprisingy?) how F-off have been shown so much forgiveness and understanding by the C&P community but how can you trust a leadership which needs the C&P denzins to convince them to do the right thing? I smell drama on the winds.

Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.12.17 22:10:00 - [91] Edited by: Lightningshade on 17/12/2009 22:10:49 Originally by: Yakov Draken Originally by: Commander Rice This is my official statement regarding the client Paul Clavet. I have issues a refund of 350mil, as that is what I have found to be the full cost of what was taken from him by Damien. Wow - So the C&P posters have convinced the leadership of F-OFF to backtrack - [to paraphrase Rice] "If I refund the isk I'll get booted." So thanks to the good (cough cough) citizens of C&P Commander Rice now has the power to do his job. It is really nice (suprisingy?) how F-off have been shown so much forgiveness and understanding by the C&P community but how can you trust a leadership which needs the C&P denzins to convince them to do the right thing? I smell drama on the winds. They merely needed a little direction. Associated with this I considered a nasty mail to Riven with a threat to put him over my knee, turns out it wasn't necessary
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.12.17 22:12:00 - [92] Originally by: Lightningshade Originally by: Yakov Draken Originally by: Commander Rice This is my official statement regarding the client Paul Clavet. I have issues a refund of 350mil, as that is what I have found to be the full cost of what was taken from him by Damien. Wow - So the C&P posters have convinced the leadership of F-OFF to backtrack - [to paraphrase Rice] "If I refund the isk I'll get booted." So thanks to the good (cough cough) citizens of C&P Commander Rice now has the power to do his job. It is really nice (suprisingy?) how F-off have been shown so much forgiveness and understanding by the C&P community but how can you trust a leadership which needs the C&P denzins to convince them to do the right thing? I smell drama on the winds. They merely needed a little direction. That is so sweet! Next time I get lost I'll come straight here to ask directions back home.
mactruck face	Posted - 2009.12.17 22:13:00 - [93] We were having some problems with pirates. I found f-off and hired them. All I can say is wow. They came in and kicked ass. One of the wt's quit the corp cause they could not take it. Really they are the best. they protected all our op's. offered to run cargo for us. Really i could go on and on. If anyone has any question they are welcome to pm me in game.
px3118	Posted - 2009.12.17 22:18:00 - [94] We were having some problems with pirates. I found f-off and hired them. All I can say is wow. They came in and kicked ass. One of the wt's quit the corp cause they could not take it. Really they are the best. they protected all our op's. offered to run cargo for us. Really i could go on and on. If anyone has any question they are welcome to pm me in game.
Millie Clode Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.12.17 22:44:00 - [95] page 4 snipe
Blackball Pirate	Posted - 2009.12.18 00:41:00 - [96] Public relations 101. Never quote your boss or present yourself as helpless. Be positive. Say "I'm unaware of the details of that but I assure you I'll get to the bottom of it." Not "I'm helpless to resolve that even though my company is clearly wrong." Say "To my knowlege that has never happened but the allegations are under investigation, we take this very seriously." Not "Yeah we've screwed a few customers but my bosses will fire me if I authorise a resolution or reimbursement." Initially you seemed smart and businesslike......but then I read the words.
Commander Rice Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.12.18 06:06:00 - [97] F-OFF is going to take a temporary hiatus. We are all a little trigger happy and need to pad the killboard a little bit so we are going to take some time to join our friends in Privateers for a bit. We wont be staying forever but were looking to expand on targets and get a little pew pew in under our belt. I will likely resurrect the thread once we know when we will be resuming merc operations. Ill take the advice of the community and do a few minimal cost contracts (aka pay the war dec) and we will see how things go from there. However I will add that you are still able to hire us while in privateers. You will however have to pay a large war-dec fee seeing as our new friends will be engaged in 5-6 other war decs, thus exponentially increasing the price per war dec. Unless you have a matter that has to get solved right away, I suggest waiting it out or finding another capable merc corp to handle the job. I look forward to working with you all in the future. -Rice
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.12.18 09:46:00 - [98] Is it to soon? Dare I hope? Do I hear hear the bells foretelling the doom of F-OFF?
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.18 11:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Commander Rice F-OFF is going to take a temporary hiatus. We are all a little trigger happy and need to pad the killboard a little bit so we are going to take some time to join our friends in Privateers for a bit. We wont be staying forever but were looking to expand on targets and get a little pew pew in under our belt. I will likely resurrect the thread once we know when we will be resuming merc operations. Ill take the advice of the community and do a few minimal cost contracts (aka pay the war dec) and we will see how things go from there. However I will add that you are still able to hire us while in privateers. You will however have to pay a large war-dec fee seeing as our new friends will be engaged in 5-6 other war decs, thus exponentially increasing the price per war dec. Unless you have a matter that has to get solved right away, I suggest waiting it out or finding another capable merc corp to handle the job. I look forward to working with you all in the future. -Rice Sad day for F-OFF to join Privateers. I remember when they were elite pvp corp, now... doing station hugging ops.
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.19 23:44:00 - [100] Originally by: Commander Rice F-OFF is going to take a temporary hiatus. We are all a little trigger happy and need to pad the killboard a little bit so we are going to take some time to join our friends in Privateers for a bit. We wont be staying forever but were looking to expand on targets and get a little pew pew in under our belt. Need to pad the killboard? Getting more targets? Getting some pew pew under your belt? Why, maybe you should try starting a mercenary corporation! I hear they have lots of targets and kill things all the time! Oh, wait. I'm glad I got my money back before you guys augered in. Hopefully when things fall apart completely you can find a job with a non-fail corp, because you seem like a decent guy. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears



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