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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.09 05:16:00 -
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13 y/o Girl leads police on 100MPH chase!
Yes! Car Control is needed!!!!
First, how the hell did the get a car in the first place? Second, where is the law on this?
Look, cars should be locked up. They should have locks on the doors to keep this from happening - no entry for those without the key.
Next, to make sure someone like that does not have the key, we should license all car owners. No license, no car. Period.
And next, to make sure there are no "extra" cars not accounted for, we should register all cars too. Track every one of them. That will help. They should have visible tags.
And since after all that, a licensed car owner with a registered car might still have an accident, so therefore they should be required to have insurance.
And with all that we can make sure no teenagers do this ever again!
Oh and one more thing, why does any car need more horsepower than is necessary to go over the posted speed limit? What does anybody need or have the right to so much horsepower for something that is only designed to break the law? Even top speed is not an issue: performance suspensions might cause someone to go around a turn too fast and have an accident. I would even go so far as to ban hood scoops, wide tires, fender flares, spoilers, and flashy paint jobs. Sure they don't affect the inner workings of the car but the fast appearance of a car with those things could lead to further car crime.
Contact your representatives (or if you live in a tin pot dicatorship, don't because they will knwo where you are) and (... oops, if you live in the United States, don't bother with your representatives... because you really don't have any) DEMAND CAR CONTROL!!!!!!!1!!!!!!
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Trustworthy Joe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.09 05:41:00 -
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ahh, i love the gaming generation. Only we could go on a 100mph high speed chase and not crash at age 13. Id like to thank mario kart had some part in this.
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:07:00 -
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Aww man they finally started cracking down on the 100 mph speed limit on 81 :( Anything less than 95 meant that you were gonna get passed by pretty much everyone a few years ago on that stretch.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe Edited by: Trustworthy Joe on 09/12/2009 06:19:37 ahh, i love the gaming generation. Only we could go on a 100mph high speed chase and not crash at age 13. Id like to think mario kart had some part in this.
edit - typo
Sounds like Mario Kart with a little Grand Theft Auto thrown in for fun.
We aren't the lazy generation, we're the "have fun doing other stuff" generation!
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer They should have locks on the doors to keep this from happening - no entry for those without the key.
Holy crap. That's a genius idea! I'm shocked noone has thought of that before! -------------
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer They should have locks on the doors to keep this from happening - no entry for those without the key.
Holy crap. That's a genius idea! I'm shocked noone has thought of that before!
Read the rest of the post. Its all sarcasm. I hope.
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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Azirapheal
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:45:00 -
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my 12 year old sisters can drive my corsa at speed without crashing :D they are actually better drivers than my parents.
quite ironic given that my gaming diet usually involves crushing pedestrians beneath pixellated cars and doing nasty things with their corpses... and yet when i took my driving test i had zero minors :) i also then went on a high speed and rally driving course, passed both with flying colours to cut my insurance costs almost in half.
and of course now i have 5 years NCB :) not bad for a 22 year old!
contrast this with my "slow but safely" mother. that can crush walls and bins beneath her volvo without notice and has god knows how many sc****s and bumps.
should have revoked her licence at 40 XD
Originally by: Azirapheal i never ever thought id live to see the day.... that titans were nerfed for being FOTM HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist SoonÖ
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: KingsGambit
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer They should have locks on the doors to keep this from happening - no entry for those without the key.
Holy crap. That's a genius idea! I'm shocked noone has thought of that before!
Read the rest of the post. Its all sarcasm. I hope.
No, I think he's serious. Though now I'm not sure; it's a tough one to call. -------------
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.12.09 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit No, I think he's serious. Though now I'm not sure; it's a tough one to call.
How is it tough to call? It's pretty bloody obvious.
Just throw in the word "gun" for "car" if you're still confused. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:28:00 -
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I agree that "car control" is an idea to look into.
The following is speaking about youth in the US.
I find it hard to believe, as a whole, todays younger drivers are better then their elder counterparts, when they were in their prime. This girl ran from the cops on a straight road. Until I see footage of the "weaving" in and out of traffic, they mentioned, I will hold my belief that it was a typicall clear day on I-81/I-78 in Pa. and not much of a task to drive fast on. There was some bad weather yesterday in the north east but Pa. usually does an excellent job of keeping their Interstate highways clear.
I find it hard to imagine that todays youth are all around better drivers then their elders were, due mainly to the high level of distractions present in the cars of today. Add in the fact that most young drivers, not of the active nature, do not have even close to the spatial awarness that their grandparents had at the same age. I would suspect that base reaction times may be better in todays generation. But with a lower level of spatial awareness quick reactions can be dangerous just as they can be beneficial.
At the best they equal their elders and their elders elders.
:From the above link:
"In 1958, something wonderful happened for moonshine runners. The Chrysler 300D appeared! A behemoth capable of running 140 mph with a full load of shine. In those days the top speed of the fastest police car on the road was 100 mph. The stage was set for many chase scenes."
I am fairly sure many of you have driven roads similar to the roads of the Appalachian States in the mid 1900's.
I doubt that the average teenage driver today could even approach the skill levels of their grandparents, or even their great grandparents. Yes their will be exceptions to this. One of the main exceptions being children of ex race car drivers, that are raised in the racing culture. But I could see one of todays younger drivers trying to "run" the twisty roads of the Appalachias and receive a text that they could not pass up, being more the standard
"Child passenger injury risk in motor vehicle crashes: A comparison of nighttime and daytime driving by teenage and adult drivers"
Graduated Driver Liscensing (GDL) programs are out there but need additional research. And as mentioned by Herzog adding limits on vehicle manufactures.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:34:00 -
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Not sure how well the link will work since the database I am using is done through a local University.
"An evaluation of graduated driver licensing programs in North America using a meta-analytic approach"
Accident Analysis and Prevention, vol 41, pages 1104û1111, yr 2009.
Most jurisdictions in North America have some version of graduated driver licensing(GDL). A sound body of evidence documenting the effectiveness of GDL programs in reducing collisions, fatalities and injuries among novice drivers is available.
However, information about the relative importance of individual components of GDL is lacking. The objectives of this study are to calculate a summary statistic of GDL effectiveness and to identify the most effective components of GDL programs using a meta-analytic approach.
Data from 46 American States, the District of Columbia and 11 Canadian jurisdictions are used and were obtained from the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) for the U.S. and from Transport CanadaÆs Traffic Accident Information Database (TRAID) for Canada.
The timeframe of this evaluation is 1992 through 2006, inclusive. Relative fatality risks and their 95% confidence intervals were calculated using fatality counts and population data for target and comparison groups, both in a pre-implementation and post-implementation period in each jurisdiction. The target groupswere 16-, 17-, 18 and 19-year-old drivers. The comparison group was 25û54-year-old drivers. The relative fatality risks of all jurisdictions were summarized using the random effects DerSimonian and Laird model. Meta-regression using Restricted Maximum Likelihood (REML) and Markov Chain Monte Carlo (MCMC) Gibbs samplingwas also conducted.
Strong evidence in support of GDL was found. GDL had a positive and significant impact on the relative fatality risk of 16-year-old drivers (reduction of 19.1%). Significant effects were found for metaregression models with 16-, 18- and 19-year-old drivers. These effects include length of night restriction in the learner stage, country, driver education in the learner stage and in the intermediate stage, whether night restrictions are lifted in the intermediate stage forwork purposes, passenger restriction in the intermediate stage, whether passenger restrictions in the intermediate stage are lifted if passengers are family members, and whether there is an exit test in the intermediate stage.
In conclusion, despite some limitations of this study design, some previously established findings have been confirmed and some interesting and intriguing new findings emerged from these analyses. Several GDL programcomponents seem to have an important effect on the relative fatality risk of novice drivers. These results need further investigation and confirmation and some caution is warranted when interpreting them. For example, some effects appeared to be very strong, but the accompanying confidence intervals were wide. As such, real effects probably exist, but more research is needed to more reliably estimate the strength of these effects. Other avenues for future research include replicating the models by gender; using Canadian jurisdictions only to model effectiveness of GDL programs in terms of fatalities and injuries instead of just fatalities; and, using longer evaluation periods (e.g., 24 months rather than 12 months).
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Gaiam
Gallente Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.09 13:34:00 -
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there has been kids alot younger than 13 driving and they never hurt anyone. every one of your proposals is hugely ******ed except limiting horsepower.
control the cops instead.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gaiam there has been kids alot younger than 13 driving and they never hurt anyone. every one of your proposals is hugely ******ed except limiting horsepower.
control the cops instead.
Did you miss that fact that all of his proposals are already in effect except the speed limitations?
As it has to do with high speed persuits, cops have been brought down many rungs in their persuit protocols in the past 15 years.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer 13 y/o Girl leads police on 100MPH chase!
Yes! Car Control is needed!!!!
First, how the hell did the get a car in the first place? Second, where is the law on this?
Look, cars should be locked up. They should have locks on the doors to keep this from happening - no entry for those without the key.
Next, to make sure someone like that does not have the key, we should license all car owners. No license, no car. Period.
And next, to make sure there are no "extra" cars not accounted for, we should register all cars too. Track every one of them. That will help. They should have visible tags.
And since after all that, a licensed car owner with a registered car might still have an accident, so therefore they should be required to have insurance.
And with all that we can make sure no teenagers do this ever again!
Oh and one more thing, why does any car need more horsepower than is necessary to go over the posted speed limit? What does anybody need or have the right to so much horsepower for something that is only designed to break the law? Even top speed is not an issue: performance suspensions might cause someone to go around a turn too fast and have an accident. I would even go so far as to ban hood scoops, wide tires, fender flares, spoilers, and flashy paint jobs. Sure they don't affect the inner workings of the car but the fast appearance of a car with those things could lead to further car crime.
Contact your representatives (or if you live in a tin pot dicatorship, don't because they will knwo where you are) and (... oops, if you live in the United States, don't bother with your representatives... because you really don't have any) DEMAND CAR CONTROL!!!!!!!1!!!!!!
I dont care if this is sarcasm.
NO GTFO!
That is all.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross
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Posted - 2009.12.10 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Gaiam there has been kids alot younger than 13 driving and they never hurt anyone. every one of your proposals is hugely ******ed except limiting horsepower.
control the cops instead.
Did you miss that fact that all of his proposals are already in effect except the speed limitations?
As it has to do with high speed persuits, cops have been brought down many rungs in their persuit protocols in the past 15 years.
Slade
Many cars are actually installed with electronic limiters which prevent the car from exceeding a set speed. So that's already happened too to some extent. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.12.10 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Oh and one more thing, why does any car need more horsepower than is necessary to go over the posted speed limit? What does anybody need or have the right to so much horsepower for something that is only designed to break the law? Even top speed is not an issue: performance suspensions might cause someone to go around a turn too fast and have an accident. I would even go so far as to ban hood scoops, wide tires, fender flares, spoilers, and flashy paint jobs. Sure they don't affect the inner workings of the car but the fast appearance of a car with those things could lead to further car crime.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
there are some people who actually believe this
speed limits are bullcrap anyway, accidents are caused by unsafe drivers, not by speed. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2009.12.10 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Daelorn on 10/12/2009 04:19:20
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Oh and one more thing, why does any car need more horsepower than is necessary to go over the posted speed limit? What does anybody need or have the right to so much horsepower for something that is only designed to break the law? Even top speed is not an issue: performance suspensions might cause someone to go around a turn too fast and have an accident. I would even go so far as to ban hood scoops, wide tires, fender flares, spoilers, and flashy paint jobs. Sure they don't affect the inner workings of the car but the fast appearance of a car with those things could lead to further car crime.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
there are some people who actually believe this
speed limits are bullcrap anyway, accidents are caused by unsafe drivers, not by speed.
So true, I vote for making a driving liceance MUCH harder to get, some proper training, and retake the test every few years (For USA at least) and increasing the speed limits. They've been the same for how long now?
Quote: I would even go so far as to ban hood scoops, wide tires, fender flares, spoilers, and flashy paint jobs.
Also its common knowledge that all of these slightly increase a cars HP.
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.10 05:15:00 -
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Need for Speed much?
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.12.10 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn Edited by: Daelorn on 10/12/2009 04:19:20
Quote: I would even go so far as to ban hood scoops, wide tires, fender flares, spoilers, and flashy paint jobs.
Also its common knowledge that all of these slightly increase a cars HP.
You forgot stickers, stickers = horsepower as well, as much as 5 extra hp per sticker if its from a performance part company regardless if you actually have a performance part on or not.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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August Strindberg
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Posted - 2009.12.10 09:05:00 -
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Am I the only one thinking that this kind of thing happens as frequently as it does because the majority of all American cars have automatic gearboxes? No ordinary 13-year old can operate a clutch and manual gearbox just by guessing.
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Hijax Class47
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Posted - 2009.12.10 18:31:00 -
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This story needed more spike belts.
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Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: August Strindberg Am I the only one thinking that this kind of thing happens as frequently as it does because the majority of all American cars have automatic gearboxes? No ordinary 13-year old can operate a clutch and manual gearbox just by guessing.
What do you think they are doing when sitting quietly in the back seat/side seat of the car?
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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SuperNova221
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Posted - 2009.12.10 20:28:00 -
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Child takes key while parents are not paying attention, super inpenetrable kevlar plated vacuum sealed car locking system bypassed, ???, news story.
A standard lock is pretty much as far as you can go on car control against youngsters without being hilariously inconvenient.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: August Strindberg Am I the only one thinking that this kind of thing happens as frequently as it does because the majority of all American cars have automatic gearboxes? No ordinary 13-year old can operate a clutch and manual gearbox just by guessing.
I could drive a manual car at the age of 13, and it wasnt uncommon when joy riding in the UK was at its worst in the 90s before decent car security for police to catch car theifs at the age of 10-11.
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2009.12.11 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ruby Khann on 11/12/2009 18:57:51 Aww.. look at all the internet tough guys raging about speed limits.
edit: This is my favorite
Quote: control the cops instead.
fuk tha 5-0 homedog
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