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Dr Chicago	Posted - 2009.12.09 20:05:00 - [1] Reduce the volume of mine-able rock in Empire and that will force me too play the 0.0 game. To survive I will be forced to grow the Corporation with others whom are forced to 0.0 as well too make ISK along with me. Currently I make more then I need to survive in Empire two hours a night. AS it stands currently the stress level of leaving empire for 0.0 -vs- ROI is not compelling enough to change my habits or entertainment needs. Also the posts that fish for new 0.0 candidates are disguised as well meaning topics but the overall benefit is to lure victims to Gate camps. 0.0 players really don't want nor care about bringing new players down to their space, but since the Gate camps are very boring, fishing on the forum seems like the first best Marketing opp. and I suspect business is good! Regards D C
Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.12.09 20:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Mrs Snowman on 09/12/2009 20:22:00 Originally by: Dr Chicago I make more then I need to survive in Empire two hours a night. LOL, I laughed!
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.12.09 20:25:00 - [3] Destroy the carebears precious mining fields, or the expansion is a failure. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ryhss Caldari Recalled Pleasure-Bots	Posted - 2009.12.09 20:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Professor Tarantula the expansion is a failure. Fixed.
Nightbird SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.12.09 21:24:00 - [5] Edited by: Nightbird on 09/12/2009 21:25:23 0.0 is really all about risk vs. reward. Yes, you run the risk of losing your ship, but the reward potential is SO much higher. Lets take a corp of, say, 10 people. You want to play in 0.0, but don't want to get your asses handed to you on every gate. One option would be becoming a "renter" corp within another Large Alliance's territory. Pandemic Legion is one example where, for a reasonable rate, you can get 0.0 access and blue standings to the locals. Now, with PL and SOT currently fighting IT and friends in Fountain, renting from PL may not be the best idea (unless you're looking for PVP, in which case, come on down). However, there are areas all over the place where you can go if you're interetsed. 0.0 areas with NPC stations are always a good bet: Outer Ring has NPC, so does Syndicate. Pureblind, Tenal (or is it Venal, i always get confused), Delve, etc all have NPC stations in 0.0, and all have "larger alliances" willing to sell blue standings for a monthly rent. So, if you want a flavour of 0.0, I suggest you look into some of these areas. Try renting for a month, and see if you like it. Don't move all your stuff in... just a couple of ships and some mods. As far as the risk goes: keep local open at all times, pay attention to any of the local Intel channels that may exist, and remember... if the area gets to hairy... you can always clone jump to empire for a day or so of level 4 missions. The only reason I seem to be recommending NPC over outposts is that no matter what happens, you never lose docking access to NPC stations :)
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.09 21:29:00 - [6] I too play eve to survive Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.09 21:34:00 - [7] 0.0 is a very rewarding and enriching experience. i was like you a miner and a cearbear. I moved with my corp to this cearbearing alliance called IRC ( intrepid crossing ) who mine merxcoit in the drone regions. The entire attitidue out there is more for the people in there corp than just not caring about who is in system, people look out for each other and there is kind of a famliy unitedness that happens. i got loads of isk and was not spending it, the alliance was setting up a roaming gang and i figured i would have a ponder and see what it was like. so i made up a cheapa fitted fully t1 fit thorax and i was hooked from then on. 0.0 is not just a number or a place , it a life style! it a community of people that your allied with and makes it feel more valuable experience. i liked PVP so much i left IRC and joined the GBC ( what it was known then ) by going into FOFF. BOB was disbanded we then formed agression alliance .got kicked out. during my time in FOFF i was killed by a group of elite merc called Noir. i realised when i left FOFF that i wanted to do that , get the kill and all that. Joined Noir. and havn't looked back. just like the trailer it is emergence, but doesn't work well in empire. i suggest you just bite the bullet take some cheap ships down and see what can be made of your experience. What the worst that could happen, loose your ship and go back to your old ways.
Wesfahrn	Posted - 2009.12.09 21:39:00 - [8] Make dropped loot not refinable into minerals, or make the dropped loot nothing like modules at all. That will increase demand for minerals and surely the safe-places will be the first to run dry. People will go to the lower-secs then.
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.09 21:39:00 - [9] although with all the politics and loosing space or changing alliance that insued i would never think of my time in 0.0 as bad, just moved on. kind of think what would of happened to me if i gone with the guys that left FOFF after they kind split off after leaving 0.0 where would i be although i am doing contract work that can reside in empire i am thankful for all the contracts i get in 0.0 just to have the freedom to engage with out the precarious concord watching me all the time.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.09 22:07:00 - [10] Failthread. Plz stop trying to rip off epic threadnaught already in progress. kthxbai

Bluntroller	Posted - 2009.12.09 22:28:00 - [11] Mining in 0.0 > Mining in Empire Considering my constellation is empty 95% of the time and any other time I will know from the intel channel, it is actually safer then mining in Empire. In empire, you will get Jihaded! In 0.0... well you will die if you get caught. But you will only get caught if you are stupid!
JSC	Posted - 2009.12.09 23:32:00 - [12] Currently I have a constellation to pretty much myself.... Sure the rats are 1,1m at best but when chaining three systems solo, meh. works for me
Swiftgaze	Posted - 2009.12.09 23:32:00 - [13] ** I move away from 0.0 to breath in
Kilhu Emmek Minmatar Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.12.10 01:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Swiftgaze ** I move away from 0.0 to breath in Thread, and subject, now concluded. --
dracice R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.12.10 01:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Nightbird Edited by: Nightbird on 09/12/2009 21:25:23 0.0 is really all about risk vs. reward. Yes, you run the risk of losing your ship, but the reward potential is SO much higher. Lets take a corp of, say, 10 people. You want to play in 0.0, but don't want to get your asses handed to you on every gate. One option would be becoming a "renter" corp within another Large Alliance's territory. Pandemic Legion is one example where, for a reasonable rate, you can get 0.0 access and blue standings to the locals. Now, with PL and SOT currently fighting IT and friends in Fountain, renting from PL may not be the best idea (unless you're looking for PVP, in which case, come on down). However, there are areas all over the place where you can go if you're interetsed. 0.0 areas with NPC stations are always a good bet: Outer Ring has NPC, so does Syndicate. Pureblind, Tenal (or is it Venal, i always get confused), Delve, etc all have NPC stations in 0.0, and all have "larger alliances" willing to sell blue standings for a monthly rent. So, if you want a flavour of 0.0, I suggest you look into some of these areas. Try renting for a month, and see if you like it. Don't move all your stuff in... just a couple of ships and some mods. As far as the risk goes: keep local open at all times, pay attention to any of the local Intel channels that may exist, and remember... if the area gets to hairy... you can always clone jump to empire for a day or so of level 4 missions. The only reason I seem to be recommending NPC over outposts is that no matter what happens, you never lose docking access to NPC stations :) i have to say SOTS rental deal with PL worked out not so bad, all your directors/ceos are rich now.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.10 04:38:00 - [16] I agree. Let's lessen the amount of asteriods in empire space or at least in the higher high-sec. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Karma Monster Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.10 04:58:00 - [17] Edited by: Karma Monster on 10/12/2009 04:59:31
Max Magnum	Posted - 2009.12.10 05:10:00 - [18] People go were it's most fun, that's it. You can't force anyone to do something in a game that's sucks.
zythyl	Posted - 2009.12.10 05:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Ryhss Originally by: Professor Tarantula the expansion is a failure. Fixed. IIRC CCP stated that Dominion isn't even a "true" expansion? Might be wrong.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.12.10 05:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Rpeg I agree. Let's lessen the amount of the carebear's precious asteriods in empire space or at least in the higher high-sec, or the expansion is a failure. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.

Princess Alienna	Posted - 2009.12.10 05:35:00 - [21] Didnt SOT/PL renters get slapped by invaders? Must have been a crappy agreement if they bailed and left that quick. I remember reading a post and talking to one of PL people on Burn Edens TS during the patch, in which they both basically said, renters, LOL, they are on there own as long as they pay there isk monthly, they aint getting no help from us (basically because they have thier own problems at the moment). So the renters hauled ass to empire along with a lot of SOT miners and carebears. Renting is going to have to change in order for people to move to 0.0. Small alliances will still get hammered by the big boys just for giggles. Taking away high sec ore, not a bad idea, but that will just cause prices to go higher for you pvp alliances with little to no carebear (industrial) corps. Honestly, find yourself a nice wormhole, class 3 or 4, you will rake in a crap load of isk per month, have fun, very little stress and keep all the bennies of the game.
Spurty Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.10 06:24:00 - [22] If I were King of CCP, I'd do this immediately: All belts: - in empire respawn once a month, - in low sec once every other week - in null sec, once a week. That would slow down the output of titans in game, push people into null sec where the risk / rewards argument might start to get traction, and give the game a life shot for those that are Empire dwelling bitter and twisted forum posters. I would also immediately stop NPCs dropping META 1 gear. People traditionally edge out to more treacherous regions to live through necessity, following resources. There is no scarcity in High Sec (except for capital ships). Those already in null sec / low sec have to 'need' to take so many of the new people under their wings and cultivate useful corp/alliance members. Not just slaughter every person entering. How do you do this though? Incentives .. I'm not even going to pretend I have thought about it much. I just call em. Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Kadri Takala	Posted - 2009.12.10 06:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Dr Chicago AS it stands currently the stress level of leaving empire for 0.0 -vs- ROI is not compelling enough to change my habits or entertainment needs. Yeah I hear you. The risk of me leaving the house is too great. I may trip over a rock and sprain my ankle, or have a piano fall on my head. Sucks being paranoid doesn't it.
Redshirt I	Posted - 2009.12.10 07:23:00 - [24] Why is there such a push to FORCE players to move to 0.0?? I play games, I don't let them play me and if I want to spend the majority of my time in Highsec then that is my choice. Will the game fail if players don't go to 0.0 or are 0.0 players just in need of an influx of newb players to pounce on? I have journeyed to low sec space and did not have an enjoyable time, mostly cause the tendancies of society in a sandbox with no repercussions for their actions leads mostly to evil personalities and I have no interest in those people. When I feel its time for me to make insursions into low sec then I will but anything that forces me to do so will just force me to leave the game altogether. And no, you can't have my stuff.
Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.12.10 09:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Redshirt I I have journeyed to low sec space and did not have an enjoyable time, Dude, there is a massive difference between "low-sec" and "0.0" we are talking about 0.0 here... not low sec. Which is a mis-conception I've encountered amongst many new players, and yes, low-sec is quite a lot different than 0.0. In anycase, what people seem to be missing about the OP is that they guys said, and I quote: Originally by: Dr Chicago Currently I make more then I need to survive in Empire two hours a night. WTF? Since when does anyone need ANYTHING to _survive_ in highsec?.. seriously, if you need ISK to survive in highsec then I agree.. DONT go to low-sec and dont go to 0.0, you'll fail, people will laugh at you and you will be sad. If your happy staying in high-sec accumulating ISK and SP with no real objective, fine! stay there.. noone wants you in their 0.0 corp if you only have the adventure and spirit of a slug. 0.0 corps are looking for people drive, motivation, enthusiasm and most of... some balls!
Stygian Knight Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.10 10:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Princess Alienna It's easy, just use your brain for once ---- They just didn't understand that their farming ground became battleground... so they decided to switch side because that way they don't have to pay anything for now. short term profit, long term death.
Dr Chicago	Posted - 2009.12.10 20:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Kadri Takala Yeah I hear you. The risk of me leaving the house is too great. I may trip over a rock and sprain my ankle, or have a piano fall on my head. Sucks being paranoid doesn't it. Nice bait BTW. I didn't feel the need to ramble about my ample time spent being gate camped over the last 6 months in low sec and 0.0... Trust me I paid for my research time and then some calcing the ROI... Growing up in an urban slum taught me that being paranoid about leaving the house was a necessary skill that kept me alive on many occasions. I have been shot, shot at, stabbed, mugged, robbed, etc while leaving the house... You may have a laugh or two at my expense with the paranoia analogy but for me its normal survival skills, like putting my socks on in the morning. Eve Online is not to different then your average inner city in the USA, Eve has a large community of sociopaths just like New Orleans or detroit, there are sociopath gatecampers all over both cities. Wiki Sociopath and you will understand, gate camping is the perfect job for them. Regards DC
Kristanna Broomstyck	Posted - 2009.12.10 21:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Kristanna Broomstyck on 10/12/2009 21:26:21 Edited by: Kristanna Broomstyck on 10/12/2009 21:25:36 I have been a carebear for a long time. Started to be a fighter, played with RL friends, which had only carebearing in mind so i stayed with them. when we all got bored we left, some returned and went into 0.0. The time i lived in highsec, i was rich of ISK and boredom, and low on fun, since i live in 0.0 i am low on ISK and boredom, but rich in fun. So, knowing both sides of the coin, i can tell you that people asking for a high sec nerf are in most cases belong to the "i-want-more-targets-coalition". looking for easy ganks... Why not join Privateers then ? I mean seariously, that way you have plenty of targets - everywhere. This ally ensures that always something to shoot is around (my former ally got wardeced by them on a 2 week schedule). So getting targets shouldn¦t be a big issue. Industrials asking for a high sec nerf are normally highsec industrials or; low SP miners (they could need indeed some love, lets say allow them to produce named stuff.) Just nerfing high sec will cause a lot layers to leave, and thats not what the game needs asking for a nerf of someones playstyle in order to buff one own is...pretty one-dimensional IMHO. Making low sec and 0.0 more attractive is the way to go. And the last patch was a step in the right direction.. well kind of... because all our highsec carebear members are now went to 0.0 since a propper udgraded system gives WAY more profit than any high sec lvl 4 agent. Kris. btw, alt post here.
Kadri Takala	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Dr Chicago Originally by: Kadri Takala Yeah I hear you. The risk of me leaving the house is too great. I may trip over a rock and sprain my ankle, or have a piano fall on my head. Sucks being paranoid doesn't it. Nice bait BTW. I didn't feel the need to ramble about my ample time spent being gate camped over the last 6 months in low sec and 0.0... Trust me I paid for my research time and then some calcing the ROI... Growing up in an urban slum taught me that being paranoid about leaving the house was a necessary skill that kept me alive on many occasions. I have been shot, shot at, stabbed, mugged, robbed, etc while leaving the house... You may have a laugh or two at my expense with the paranoia analogy but for me its normal survival skills, like putting my socks on in the morning. Eve Online is not to different then your average inner city in the USA, Eve has a large community of sociopaths just like New Orleans or detroit, there are sociopath gatecampers all over both cities. Wiki Sociopath and you will understand, gate camping is the perfect job for them. Regards DC Not really bait to be honest. I don't see this game being like real life at all and that was the point I was trying to prove indirectly. Sure, you'll get shot at in game, but you'll still be alive unlike real life. Please don't start thinking it's the same thing. ...and really, if you're being gate camped all the time there's a few more things that need to be learned with survival in the game.
Rick Rothsar Ghosts of Ragnarok	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Nick Curso I too play eve to survive /thread tbqh



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