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Lindesse	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:01:00 - [1] Doesnt seem like a great deal better than normal domi. Comments?
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:28:00 - [2] Dominix Navy Issue: ò Slot layout: 6 high, 6 med, 7 low slots, 6 turrets, no launchers ò Fittings: 660 CPU, 9900 powergrid, 350 calibration, 3 rig slots ò Hitpoints: +50% hit points on hull (9961), armor (9316) and shields (8203) ò Capacitor: +5% max capacitor (5250 capacitor, 1087.5s recharge) ò Dronebay increased by 25m3, bandwidth unchanged ò Sensor: +25% magnetometric sensor strength vs Dominix : ò Slot layout: 6 high, 5 med, 7 low slots, 6 turrets, no launchers ò Fittings: 600 CPU, 9000 powergrid, 400null calibration, 3 rig slots ò Hitpoints: (6641), armor (6211) and shields (5469) ò Capacitor: (5000 capacitor, 1087.5s recharge) oddly the navy lost 50 calibration points, but has a substantial bump in raw EHP. The extra mid is great for either a ECM or drone dmg mods... makes it that much easier to fit a point, scram, mwd and 1 drone dmg mods (omni tracking link) in the mid slots with 2x cap rechargers, normally you need to lose one of them. Oh and it is harder to jam... In a hybrid turret ship, you can fit bigger guns in the highs and still have room to fit your ship.. something the reg domi cannot really do, because of the fitting bump. There is one small problem... it does not passive shield tank anymore... you cannot get shield regen up to 300hp a sec anymore due to the larger initial shield size. Mostly there is not a huge difference for PvE except you can run a third omni tracking link in the mid or a 3rd cap recharger... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.11 03:36:00 - [3] If you have an alt capable of running gallente fw missions you would be a moronic git to not use the navy domi over a regular one at least in pvp. For the rest who have to purchase it at contract prices the value will depend on how much idle isk they have. Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.11 09:11:00 - [4] Edited by: Ashina Sito on 11/12/2009 09:12:21 PvE, I could not care less. The Extra mid is redundant do to stacking issues. I would probably add an extra Target Painter and that is about all. The bigger buffer is nice if your in the habit of AFKing with a weak tank.... PvP it is flippin' awesome. Higher Sensor Strength with a boat load of additional EHP and that juicy extra mid slot. The problem is that with a 500+ million price tag per ship it is just a bit to costly to really PvP in. Unless you only do ganks. If they dropped to the 150-200 million range I would use them for general PvP or as 0.0 belt bait. That said. I did get one patch day. It still took 3 days of ninja baiting running L4 missions before I had someone steal some loot looking for a mission runner kill. A few minutes later I had a nice, yet rather easy, TEARS Raven Killmail. BTW, I broke up and sold my ninja bait Proteus to get the ISK to buy the Domi. I'll probably sell the Navy Domi in the next month or so.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.12.11 11:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Ashina Sito PvE, I could not care less. The Extra mid is redundant do to stacking issues. Just because you fail to utilize its capabilities, does not mean it's redundant.
Rotundone	Posted - 2009.12.11 14:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Ashina Sito PvE, I could not care less. The Extra mid is redundant do to stacking issues. Just because you fail to utilize its capabilities, does not mean it's redundant. For PvE, most probably have a cap rig. Put a Cap Recharger II in the new mid slot, and use the now available rig slot for added Sentry damage. Or pull a Cap Power Relay from the Lows and add Mag Stab. Whatever fits your build best.
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.12.11 20:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Rotundone Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Ashina Sito PvE, I could not care less. The Extra mid is redundant do to stacking issues. Just because you fail to utilize its capabilities, does not mean it's redundant. For PvE, most probably have a cap rig. Put a Cap Recharger II in the new mid slot, and use the now available rig slot for added Sentry damage. Or pull a Cap Power Relay from the Lows and add Mag Stab. Whatever fits your build best. exactly!! true for PvE it is not a huge difference, but you can up the dps quite well in a normal sentry domi for PVE. esp with the ability to fit the bigger guns. In PvP this is a huge upgrade to the domi. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
caboaddict	Posted - 2009.12.11 22:56:00 - [8] besides the massive EHP boost, this is how I'd fit my domi out: [Dominix Navy Issue, wish] 4x 425mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge L) Salvager I Drone Link Augmentor I 3x Cap Recharger II 100MN Afterburner II Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 2x Armor EM Hardener II 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 5x Garde II [Statistics - caboaddict] Effective HP: 105,883 Tank Ability: 407.96 DPS Capacitor: Lasts 27m 24s Volley Damage: 2,824.88 DPS: 601.35 (includes Garde II's) The mid allows you a lot of flexibility for PVE fits and can be used in even more ways in PVP from ECM, TD, SD, Sen Booster, cap injector, web, etc. Personally I wouldn't use a navy domi in pvp until they are at a minimum half of what they are (unless you have isk burning a hole in your wallet and can I haz some?). For PvP I am saving up for one atm!!
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.12.11 23:50:00 - [9] Originally by: caboaddict besides the massive EHP boost, this is how I'd fit my domi out: [Dominix Navy Issue, wish] 4x 425mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge L) Salvager I Drone Link Augmentor I 3x Cap Recharger II 100MN Afterburner II Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 2x Armor EM Hardener II 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 5x Garde II [Statistics - caboaddict] Effective HP: 105,883 Tank Ability: 407.96 DPS Capacitor: Lasts 27m 24s Volley Damage: 2,824.88 DPS: 601.35 (includes Garde II's) The mid allows you a lot of flexibility for PVE fits and can be used in even more ways in PVP from ECM, TD, SD, Sen Booster, cap injector, web, etc. Personally I wouldn't use a navy domi in pvp until they are at a minimum half of what they are (unless you have isk burning a hole in your wallet and can I haz some?). For PvP I am saving up for one atm!! Your better off with 2x omni and 2x cap rechargers, no need for 3 cap rechargers. at the very least 2x omni are better then the parrallel weapon, also no need for 3x CCC rigs 2x CCC and 1 sentry dmg aug. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.12.12 00:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Zeba If you have an alt capable of running gallente fw missions you would be a moronic git to not use the navy domi over a regular one at least in pvp. For the rest who have to purchase it at contract prices the value will depend on how much idle isk they have. Is the navy domi seriously better than the proteus you could buy and fully kit out after selling the navy domi? Just cause you "mined" the lp doesn't mean its free, the navy domi is no doubt nice, but, dunno, if you're going to spend that much isk to take something into pvp, why not go for the slightly cheaper but hugely more maneuverable t3 or go up a bit to the much more interesting and powerful pirate faction BS? Domi navy just seems too pricy for its punch.
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.12 01:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Ashina Sito PvE, I could not care less. The Extra mid is redundant do to stacking issues. Just because you fail to utilize its capabilities, does not mean it's redundant. The additional performance is not worth the 500 million ISK price tag. If all you want to do is min/max a mission ship then sure it works. From the price for performance perspective a standard Domi is a better option. This is not a bad thing. They are intrended to be more of a PvP ship in any case. Although they are to spendy for that.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.12.12 02:43:00 - [12] People don't really think the navy battleships are going to drop to, like, 250m or so, do they? Keep dreamin' cats.
Elapidae	Posted - 2009.12.12 03:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Galliana Foresta People don't really think the navy battleships are going to drop to, like, 250m or so, do they? Keep dreamin' cats. srsly, at even 300m each its not worth farming fw lp over regular highsec missions. prices were 640-800m for the navy tier 1 BS, and CCP has nerfed the supply (cannot infinity decline missions until you get a fast, high paying mission in the system you want). prices are only going to go up from here.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.12.12 05:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Elapidae Originally by: Galliana Foresta People don't really think the navy battleships are going to drop to, like, 250m or so, do they? Keep dreamin' cats. srsly, at even 300m each its not worth farming fw lp over regular highsec missions. prices were 640-800m for the navy tier 1 BS, and CCP has nerfed the supply (cannot infinity decline missions until you get a fast, high paying mission in the system you want). prices are only going to go up from here. Its an interesting question. Will supply side losses cause prices to increase, or will demand side reductions cause them to fall when people realize the ships just aren't worth flying considering the bang-for-your-buck is really bad (compared to other pricey ships) (although the armageddon particularly is an amazing ship which may very well be worth the price). Its honestly hard to predict with any accuracy which way it'll go.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.12.12 14:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Galliana Foresta on 12/12/2009 14:18:02 Originally by: Mahke Originally by: Elapidae Originally by: Galliana Foresta People don't really think the navy battleships are going to drop to, like, 250m or so, do they? Keep dreamin' cats. srsly, at even 300m each its not worth farming fw lp over regular highsec missions. prices were 640-800m for the navy tier 1 BS, and CCP has nerfed the supply (cannot infinity decline missions until you get a fast, high paying mission in the system you want). prices are only going to go up from here. Its an interesting question. Will supply side losses cause prices to increase, or will demand side reductions cause them to fall when people realize the ships just aren't worth flying considering the bang-for-your-buck is really bad (compared to other pricey ships) (although the armageddon particularly is an amazing ship which may very well be worth the price). Its honestly hard to predict with any accuracy which way it'll go. Honestly? I'd say they'll stay high, simply because mission farmers won't see the value in taking the lower price for them. Or people will stop farming altogether, meaning fewer of them, and thus making them collector's items and of equally high value. When they changed the mission select mechanic, I think they ruined any chance of a thriving Navy BS market. That said, however, I suppose they were never really meant to be that common in the first place. Edit for speelink.
miridrim	Posted - 2009.12.12 14:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Footoo Rama There is one small problem... it does not passive shield tank anymore... you cannot get shield regen up to 300hp a sec anymore due to the larger initial shield size. As long as the shield recharge timer remains the same it actually passive shield tank even better
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.12.12 14:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Ashina Sito The additional performance is not worth the 500 million ISK price tag. 'Course it is. If I still flew Domis in hs for PvE, I'd happily fork out over 1bn for the added fitting and extra slot. Furthermore, it is actually in PvE, if that is your income source, NOT PvP, where it pays to invest into better isk generation tools. It only becomes a cost if you lose it, or it's devalued, until then it's not a cost but an investment. Even a 5% increase in hourly income becomes significant over time.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.12.12 16:12:00 - [18] If you want to passive shield tank you would be much better off with a Rattlesnake over a Navy Domi. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
NyteTyger Gallente NiteSun Enterprises	Posted - 2009.12.12 17:39:00 - [19] A Domi without 2 sentry rigs makes me cry __________________________________________ It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.12 18:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Mahke Originally by: Zeba If you have an alt capable of running gallente fw missions you would be a moronic git to not use the navy domi over a regular one at least in pvp. For the rest who have to purchase it at contract prices the value will depend on how much idle isk they have. Is the navy domi seriously better than the proteus you could buy and fully kit out after selling the navy domi? What use does a proteus have in a battleship fight other than surviving long enough with its epic tank and high agility to gtfo? Do you have a fit that turns a proteus into a premier rring battleship with battleship dps and neuting ability? Originally by: Mahke Just cause you "mined" the lp doesn't mean its free, the navy domi is no doubt nice, but, dunno, if you're going to spend that much isk to take something into pvp, why not go for the slightly cheaper but hugely more maneuverable t3 or go up a bit to the much more interesting and powerful pirate faction BS? Domi navy just seems too pricy for its punch. For a player in fw even with the 'nerfed' missions it should take no longer than an hour and a half or so to get the lp needed to get a navy domi whilst before the nerf you could do it in about an hour or less. Once you get your lp you then go to a navy station that has a domi and a gamma nexus chip in the hanger and convert it to the navy domi. At that rate you can farm enough lp in a single play session to sell several of them and still have plenty left over to pew pew with. Now do you see why I said you would be a moronic git to not use the navy domi over the regular one if you have an alt in fw? They are effectively 'free' due to the absurd ease by which they can be obtained and the lulz price undercutting of the nexus chip market. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Samaritan Azuma Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.12.14 05:12:00 - [21] i shield tank my navy domi If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.14 05:24:00 - [22] This may sound odd but I'm not that impressed by the navy domi, I WANTED to get one for an alt but once I actually looked at the stats and possiblities; it's just not worth it. The "problem" comes from the fact that the base Domi is already VERY good, adding some midslot and fiddling with some stats that doesn't really actually change a whole lot. The other faction tier 1's are better upgrades because their base ships all have some hiatus or issue which the faction version makes up for but the domi (andt phoon to an extend) is nothing more than a simple slight upgrade. To me that's not worth it but then I never believed in pimping for pimping's sake, only if it gives a REAL advantage. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Will Strafe Caldari Warmongers	Posted - 2009.12.14 06:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Zeba If you have an alt capable of running gallente fw missions you would be a moronic git to not use the navy domi over a regular one at least in pvp. For the rest who have to purchase it at contract prices the value will depend on how much idle isk they have. Why do people like you need to come in with their bad advice oversprewn with insults. A navy Domi cost the same if you buy it of contract or choose not to sell it of contracts. And you'd be a moronic git to spend 5 domis on 1 domi in FW.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.14 07:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Will Strafe Originally by: Zeba If you have an alt capable of running gallente fw missions you would be a moronic git to not use the navy domi over a regular one at least in pvp. For the rest who have to purchase it at contract prices the value will depend on how much idle isk they have. Why do people like you need to come in with their bad advice oversprewn with insults. A navy Domi cost the same if you buy it of contract or choose not to sell it of contracts. And you'd be a moronic git to spend 5 domis on 1 domi in FW. How so? Did you wallet go down by the contract price when you used a tiny portion of your lulz 8 digit lp reserves and a nexus key to make it? No? Then it didn't 'cost' you anything. Now what it did 'cost' you is potential profits but like I have already said you can farm enough lp in a single play session to sell several and still have plenty left over to use for regular pew pew. Again at that investment level you would be a moronic git to use a regular domi instead of the navy one. Its just simple numbers though I guess to some 'losing' the potential profits even when you are already swimming in bathtubs of isk is too horrible to understand. My advice for you if losing unneeded potential profits outweighs having fun in the game? Go play that mineral trading game chribba made where only the isk matters whilst the rest of us have a great time flying navy ships like others would fly a t1 hull and yet still we watch our wallets grow fatter every day. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2009.12.14 12:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Pottsey If you want to passive shield tank you would be much better off with a Rattlesnake over a Navy Domi. This. Especially when taking price into account. Like it or not, with rattlesnakes doing ~900m isk and normal Domi's doing ~45m isk and considering the fact that a normal Domi can do lvl4s solo anyway and a rattlesnake is a lot better than a navi domi, what's a navi domi really worth to a normal buyer? 250 - 500M max, I myself will not spend more than 300M on one, and I've been flying domi's since this char was 1 month old. The added value of a navy domi is partly collectors value, partly better fits, and the better fits aren't that much better. I'd rather get a rattler with the current prices. Now if that means I'll never get a navy domi, so be it (and I love domi's). All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..

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