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Vorghad
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Posted - 2009.12.11 06:43:00 -
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Hey there.
I read several guides, read up on stuff on here and asked around on game, and finally decided to try the ol' piracy game. I fitted up a frig to some of the specifications tossed around here, made sure I had plenty of ammo and picked a low-sec area to go prowl. Popped in my first .4 system, made some safespots, scanned around. rinse, repeat in the next system, and the next system, and the next system, and the next system, and so on for about 20 realtime hours.
It was less than stellar (nice pun, eh?).
I got killed 5 times; 1 high lvl rat, 3 gate camps and 1 legit 1v1 PVP (which was a blast).
Not once did I come close to successfully tackling anyone. Nothing near piracy ever occurred. 99% of the time on my d-scan I'm able to pick people out and pinpoint them relative to my ship and a cosmic feature. 98% of the time as far as I can tell they are out in their own safe spots b/c none of the roids/planets that I warp to within the scan cone when I pick up ships on the scan do not actually have other ships in them.
So finally earlier today I'm out poking around in a .4, I warp from my safe to an asteroid belt and bam, scram, blam; two guys jump in within 10 seconds of my arrival at the belt in and I'm dead about 5 seconds later.
Whats the deal?
As far as I can tell I'm either horribly misguided, or horribly unlucky.
At this I plan to do some mining/salvaging and learn some new career options while I rebuild my ISK before I even consider giving this piracy thing another go.
While I'm doing that does anyone have any advice? Anything I'm doing blatantly wrong?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
The Rise of The Dragon Knights
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.11 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 11/12/2009 08:51:39
If you let yourself get killed by a rat you have a lot to learn yet 
As people were able to kill you with little problem it should be obvious that piracy can be succesfulll.
1. You need a lot of training.
2. You're flying alone which is not making your life any easier.
Best advice, join a piracy corp and fly in their fleets, learn how to do it.
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this!
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.11 08:55:00 -
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Working as intended.
Check back with us when you've lost 20 frigates.
More specifically, so far you've admitted learning (1) your directional scanner, (2) tactics used to evade non-consensual PVP, and (3) the ISK earning potential of piracy. All for the low low price of 5 frigates.
Go back to PVE now and chances are you'll never be ready for PVP; lose those other 15 frigates and chances are you'll have already answered all your questions.
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Benglada
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.11 10:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Ka Jolo
Check back with us when you've lost 20 frigates.
Truth. i died a LOT before i had ANY clue
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Originally by: Arkanor
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Ka Jolo
Check back with us when you've lost 20 frigates.
Truth. i died a LOT before i had ANY clue
Seconded. I too died alot before I became awesome.
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DigitalJustice
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:57:00 -
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Your not doing it wrong. Thats just how eve is. Your efforts will continue to fail, unfortunately. Piracy (which isnt really piracy) in a frigate wont work since you are very limited in what ships you can engage. And, if your not flying a Rifter, you gonna lose a lot of fights to people that do.
There is basically no piracy in eve. You are not going to find miners, industrials or freighters jammed with stuff waiting to get popped. If you think about it, the only time you actually see other people is when they are docking/undocking or jumping. So as a pirate, you are confined to fighting other people who are pirates themselves. This is of course a major design flaw.
I would say that you need at least 8-10m sp in pvp related skills and a BC to do some damage in lowsec. Of course, a lot of smaller stuff will simply warp away. And when you finally get a fight, they call in their friends and kill you in no time.
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Navtiqes on 11/12/2009 12:20:49
Originally by: DigitalJustice
You are not going to find miners, industrials or freighters jammed with stuff waiting to get popped.
There are miners, industrials or freighters jammed with stuff waiting to get popped out there. The problem is that you can only get the haulers at gatecamps so that excludes frig pirates, and the miners are only in a select few lowsec systems due to the fact that they're mostly newbs who drift in from highsec areas with alot of activity. |
Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:05:00 -
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Confirming you are on the right track, frustrating though it may feel.
In addition to finding a pirate corp to join, I'd also add that you will learn your trade faster if you don't "prowl" some low-sec systems but rather choose to live in low-sec if you are not already.
This lets you get to know an area and it's inhabitants very well and you can make isk to fund your losses while learning skills that will help you excel as a pirate. You may also make some new friends who will respect your chutzpah for trying to live and pirate in low sec as a rookie provided you don't shoot yourself in the foot by smacking a lot or acting like an asshat.
Fly safish.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:17:00 -
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First of all, be prepared to lose a LOT of ships 
Solo PVP IS tough at the best of times. Starting out it can feel impossible but really its a case of gaining experience. You are using your scanner which is a promising start, as well as seeking out ship setups from (hopefully) people that know their stuff.
Low sec can be slow for finding targets, getting an even 1v1 is even rarer but when it happens it's awesome.
I switched from low sec to 0.0 for combat since it's much easier to find people out there roaming or camping. You can even set up your own sling bubbles 
Then again I'm not pvping with survival in mind. I like taking on the blobs 
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi
Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Vorghad
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:32:00 -
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All useful info. Thanks.
I knew going into this that I would be losing a lot of ships, so I don't really mind that aspect - I don't get attached to my ships. Its just frustrating and expensive to be experiencing such lopsided profits/losses. ATM I can't afford to sustain my practices.
But! I guess I know now that I was at least on the right track so I'll try and make some money and then get back at it.
I was curious about pirate corps; I have gotten the impression that they expect millions of SP be invested and the prospective to be already an experienced PVPer before they will take them on. Is that more or less the case? |
Solomar Espersei
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.11 18:11:00 -
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Oh I don't know about that. We're maybe not as skilled in Pew as the low sec guys, but we do quite a bit of High Sec piracy. Ganking for profit, ransoming faction-fit carebears, holding mission items hostage, etc. is pretty close to traditional piracy. Why, I've got a crew of 20 Caldari lads from a damaged Heron all set to walk the plank even as I type. Only the timely deposit of 12 mil or so will stay my hand.
@ the op,
You can look us up and we'll find some devious activities for you to get into (after you come off of the trial acct of course). You'll probably lose those 15 frigates along the way as well, but I promise you'll find it becomes profitable very quickly.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.11 18:44:00 -
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Firstly, getting our terms clear...what you're doing isn't "piracy" per se. "Piracy" would be someone who goes out looking for vulnerable targets for profit. You're probably
a) Not even considering ransoms (Which may or may not be the best way to turn a profit in a given instance), and
b) just running around looking for fights, rather than looking for specific vulnerable targets.
What you're doing is PVPing (which is not to say that's a bad thing).
Regardless, solo PVPers, especially new players, really fight against the odds. There's lots of people with far more experience than you with better ships than you with better skills than you and, most importantly, with friends, roaming around. However, your lack of SP/equipment doesn't mean you should be dying much more often...it just means that you have a more limited target selection.
Basically, what you need to do is get better at using local, dscanner, and other tools to figure out who your potential targets are and how to avoid becoming a target for someone who can kill you.
the best way to learn in EVE is with a group of like-minded people. If you want to go solo, expect to lose a lot of ships before you get better. But that's okay; frigates are cheap
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 11/12/2009 19:58:24
Many, but not all, half-decent or better pirate corps do have some SP minimum. Ours is around 10mil I believe at the moment. Ours expects some previous PvP experience and a basic understanding of fundamentals about PvP in EVE and knowledge of survival in a hostile environment.
This wasn't always the case for us and we use to take anyone with the right attitude, the capacity to be teachable and a strong desire to YARR. However, many folks get to the point where there is only so much mentoring of basics they feel like they want to do over and over again. Piracy also often means depending on each other and training a lot of new folks can get expensive not only for them but for the teacher as well. Piracy is not often a "lucrative" career if isk is your main motivation. Some high-sec pirates do quite well but would still do even better if the time was put into another endeavor. There are much easier ways to make a "living" in EVE. So losses need to be minimized to keep you profitable.
There still are pirate corps with very low or no SP minimum. Some are ok. A few are even better than average but most are "meh". If you are deadset on piracy and want to join a corp for it with low SPs prepare to really do some decent research on the corp you'd like to join.
Your best path may be to join a decent, established corp to learn the basics of PvP (as opposed to the specialty of piracy), gain some experience and knowledge while you build up more SPs ( EVE Uni, Red vs. Blue, many FW corps, Sudddenly Ninjas and others) and then move on to a good pirate corp after you have had some fun and learned some basics of PvP.
It's been said, but bears reiterating:
From my perspective, PvP is any activity in the game in which you engage competitively with others and their loss is your gain. This includes things like trade. Ship to ship PvP is fighting ofc to win, however, many "PvPers" have alternative means of keeping themselves funded. Piracy, in its truest sense, is funding your ingame activities through ship to ship combat (a lot of this occurs in high-sec as well). Pirates fund all or nearly all of their ingame activity through ship to ship PvP. Be aware that many many low sec corps advertise themselves as "pirates" but tend to operate more as "PvPers".
Again, this is my perspective and there are sure to be some folks who disagree.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:22:00 -
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Quote:
Suddenly Ninjas
is actually not, nor has it even been or tried to be, a PVP corp. Of course there's always the occasional opportunity to shoot stuff, but it's certainly not the main goal.
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Blackball Pirate
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Posted - 2009.12.17 01:28:00 -
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Pardon me.
your perception of pirating is wrong.
pirating is not about pvp.
pvp is a side effect of pirating.
a pirate is a player that collects other players isk.
a pirate does not mine, do industry, or run missions.
seems easy?
pirating is hard.
stealing other players loot, wrecks, cans, ransoming.....etc.
my pirate character has never destroyed another players ship.....never.
why? because they kick my ***!
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.17 17:18:00 -
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At your current skill level, you will be able to find a lot more pvp and profit via pvp in highsec than in lowsec. Start there instead.
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