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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Perkone
Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:53:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
cycles are fixed at 180 seconds without fleet bonuses, and without said bonuses a hulk takes roughly two full cycles with t1 strips. more if you use cargo mods in the lows/rigs.
Now, tell us all about T2. And there are PLENTY of things that reduce cycle time.
IF you are ignoring all that you are only talking half-truths.
Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.19 21:02:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Now, tell us all about T2. And there are PLENTY of things that reduce cycle time.
IF you are ignoring all that you are only talking half-truths.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mining_Foreman_Link_-_Laser_Optimization
Is only module that decreases strip miner cycle time. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.06.19 21:06:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Dave stark wrote:
cycles are fixed at 180 seconds without fleet bonuses, and without said bonuses a hulk takes roughly two full cycles with t1 strips. more if you use cargo mods in the lows/rigs.
Now, tell us all about T2. And there are PLENTY of things that reduce cycle time. IF you are ignoring all that you are only talking half-truths.
T2 strips? same as t1 strips with less yield. T2 crystals? only usable in t2 strips and only increase yield.
there's no way to reduce cycle timer other than fleet bonuses from orcas/rorq gang links. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
239
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:24:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:The alternative is to...
Try moving out of high-sec.......
........If your AFK your not playing the game, your providing targets... Play the game...
no, this is not an alternative. and I'm sorry for you if you feel you must have your eyes on your ship at all times.. I do a lot of research on things while I'm mining.. both in game and out. It's part of the play.
There is no alternative for afk mining for me either. I'm a stay at home mother of 3 and a house wife.. I play during the day and have things I need to do while I have eve up; it happens. Mining for me was something fun to do while I was doing house work, AFK was a strickly 3 minute at a time routine.. cycle up... three minutes of vacuming.. cycle up again.. fill the dish washer.. cycle up. . make a sandwish for my son.. cycle up and fold laundry for 3 minutes... you get the idea.
There are many times when I must give eve my full attention. Those are largely during mining op with many people. Null sec does not afford you with any possiblity for taking your eyes off your ships... in fact, your unblinking eyes may start to bleed if you must mine solo in null sec for many hours.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2006
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:24:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Dave stark wrote:
cycles are fixed at 180 seconds without fleet bonuses, and without said bonuses a hulk takes roughly two full cycles with t1 strips. more if you use cargo mods in the lows/rigs.
Now, tell us all about T2. And there are PLENTY of things that reduce cycle time. IF you are ignoring all that you are only talking half-truths. T2 strips? same as t1 strips with less yield. T2 crystals? only usable in t2 strips and only increase yield. there's no way to reduce cycle timer other than fleet bonuses from orcas/rorq gang links.
Technically, BCs, Command Ships, T3s, Supers, and Titans can provide bonuses that reduce cycle time. Not as well as the orca/rorq does, but they can...
Just to head the Flux off at the Ice pass.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:49:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Dave stark wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Dave stark wrote:
cycles are fixed at 180 seconds without fleet bonuses, and without said bonuses a hulk takes roughly two full cycles with t1 strips. more if you use cargo mods in the lows/rigs.
Now, tell us all about T2. And there are PLENTY of things that reduce cycle time. IF you are ignoring all that you are only talking half-truths. T2 strips? same as t1 strips with less yield. T2 crystals? only usable in t2 strips and only increase yield. there's no way to reduce cycle timer other than fleet bonuses from orcas/rorq gang links. Technically, BCs, Command Ships, T3s, Supers, and Titans can provide bonuses that reduce cycle time. Not as well as the orca/rorq does, but they can... Just to head the Flux off at the Ice pass.
very true, a while ago we had a [amarr command ship that i forgot the name of] giving bonuses and tanking rats for us, that was quite amusing. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2007
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:05:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Dave stark wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Dave stark wrote:
cycles are fixed at 180 seconds without fleet bonuses, and without said bonuses a hulk takes roughly two full cycles with t1 strips. more if you use cargo mods in the lows/rigs.
Now, tell us all about T2. And there are PLENTY of things that reduce cycle time. IF you are ignoring all that you are only talking half-truths. T2 strips? same as t1 strips with less yield. T2 crystals? only usable in t2 strips and only increase yield. there's no way to reduce cycle timer other than fleet bonuses from orcas/rorq gang links. Technically, BCs, Command Ships, T3s, Supers, and Titans can provide bonuses that reduce cycle time. Not as well as the orca/rorq does, but they can... Just to head the Flux off at the Ice pass. very true, a while ago we had a [amarr command ship that i forgot the name of] giving bonuses and tanking rats for us, that was quite amusing.
You haven't mined under a Mining Link Titan yet? For shaaame.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:08:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
You haven't mined under a Mining Link Titan yet? For shaaame.
no :( i'm just a poor boy, from a poor family.... |
Litair
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:13:00 -
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I find it silly when people say they're plenty busy when managing 5 accounts at the same time.. No **** Sherlock (did I get that right?).
I think we should assume that the game is originally designed on a basis of people having one account, and that should be the default when talking about what else to do when mining, other than being casually afk.
I doubt you'd use it as an argument in many other games that you need to have 5 copies of it in order to make it work right. |
MrEcloth
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:24:00 -
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I haven't read all the way through this thread but if we are still looking for a way to not "AFK" mine well I suggest going in to a wh Mining in a Wh is super intensive I mine there frequently and it is a challenge
- there are no asteroid belts so u will be at a site and that means it will take probes to find you and
- if your smart u have already crushed all the WHs in your system
- It will take somebody more than 15-30 seconds to find you with probes unless u have your orca on grid with the hulks but you will be active on d-scan as fast as it cools down then anyways because u will be picking up ore
- with the added 15-30 seconds from needing to be probed you can be alot more afk than at a combat site and no need to relock with roids the size of moons
you get into a rythem huge yield of high end ores and much less difficult then a combat site and you cant be a bot win win for everybody. plus ppl trying to gank your hulks is pretty lols. most times i can get back to station reship in to bustards and return for the cans i left before baddies show up on grid. 
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Draconus Lofwyr
The Green Cross
Red Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:45:00 -
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this is the only "module" that increases cycle time? half truth, but since the only other module fits to a rorqual, not important to a high sec argument, there are also implants, there's a fleet boster mining director implant that increase the above modules bonus, as does the hulk/mack pilots skill level, and there are low sec modules that decrease ice harvester cycle times as well as implants for the hulk/mack pilot as well. with max skills all around, it is possible to get the cycle time on a hulk in 0.0 down below 140 sec cycle time, and if your tanking for gank still, you don't have that massive of a cargo hold as your rigs are fit for tank as well. and even with all of these your still able to be ganked by 3-4 destroyers with low meta t1 fits that time it between the rr cycles because they are geared for alpha and the exhumer line has been nerfed beyond usefulness if you wish to try and fit a buffer tank, you limit yourself to one strip miner...if your lucky. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Intrepid Crossing
352
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:57:00 -
[42] - Quote
At 104 second cycle time, it's still pretty boring to mine.
Even in null.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Draconus Lofwyr
The Green Cross
Red Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:33:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:At 104 second cycle time, it's still pretty boring to mine.
Even in null.
true, but how much fun is 200+ fleet members sitting in a pos around a titan for 2+ hrs waiting for the word to jump, jump, jump as everyone watches the titan jump to the field instead?
there's AFK of every sort all over EvE, its the nature of the beast, hurry up and wait. get over it and let everyone enjoy the game as they see fit. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:36:00 -
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Draconus Lofwyr wrote:this is the only "module" that decreases cycle time? half truth, but since the only other module fits to a rorqual, not important to a high sec argument, there are also implants, there's a fleet booster mining director implant that increase the above modules bonus, as does the hulk/mack pilots skill level, and there are low sec modules that decrease ice harvester cycle times as well as implants for the hulk/mack pilot as well. with max skills all around, it is possible to get the cycle time on a hulk in 0.0 down below 140 sec cycle time, and if your tanking for gank still, you don't have that massive of a cargo hold as your rigs are fit for tank as well. and even with all of these your still able to be ganked by 3-4 destroyers with low meta t1 fits that time it between the rr cycles because they are geared for alpha and the exhumer line has been nerfed beyond usefulness if you wish to try and fit a buffer tank, you limit yourself to one strip miner...if your lucky.
i don't really think you understand how mining works.
when mining rocks for minerals, nothing but the link/fleet boost will effect cycle time. all the bonuses from ships and skills benefit yield, not cycle time. (fleet bonuses aside) when mining ore you increase yield to make more isk/hr as nothing you can do as a pilot of a hulk will change the cycle timer while mining ore.
mining ice on the other hand works in the reverse way. ice always has a yield of 1000m3 (unless you're flying a mackinaw which gets a yield of 2000m3) and modules/bonuses reduce cycle time.
hence, nothing will reduce a hulk's cycle time other than fleet bonuses when mining ore, so a solo mining hulk will not complete 2 or more cycles in under 6 mins. |
Skorpynekomimi
227
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:32:00 -
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Lots of cycles? Ur doin it wrong.
With a MLU2, T2 strip miners with crystals, and a rack of mining drones, it takes two cycles to fill my hulk if the drones are working a close roid at the same time.
I have the laptop set up browsing the internet.
I check D-scan and overview, research stuff, and keep track of my trading and industrial process.
(Specialisation is for insects. I am a renaissance minmatar.) |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
772
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:24:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Sevastian Liao wrote:"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term. Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local.
You are looking in the wrong place.
Try Amarr-space. I recently did a standings grind in a constellation of Domain that had 14 people in the busiest system, 4 people in the average system, and 2 systems without anybody in them. That was just one constellation. I then moved on to do higher level missions, and that agent is in a similar constellation. Domain is probably also the most populated of Amarrian space. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2012
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:29:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Sevastian Liao wrote:"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term. Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local. You are looking in the wrong place. Try Amarr space. I recently did a standings grind in a constellation of Domain that had 14 people in the busiest system, 4 people in the average system, and 2 systems without anybody in them. That was just one constellation. I then moved on to do higher level missions, and that agent is in a similar constellation.
Also, you can get to know your locals. Figure out who's "safe" to have in local with you. Set them light blue so you can see new people easily.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
RomeStar
Astra Research
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:54:00 -
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I dont know if this AFK mining but since my 12yr old is home all day for summer break I have taught her how to mine in eve while im at work and she has actually saved my mining ships from ganks on numerous occasions. 12yr old daughter is my bot program LOL. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:36:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:I dont know if this AFK mining but since my 12yr old is home all day for summer break I have taught her how to mine in eve while im at work and she has actually saved my mining ships from ganks on numerous occasions. 12yr old daughter is my bot program LOL.
sending children up chimneys was so 1900s, this is 2012 we send them to asteroid belts. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
42
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:38:00 -
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simply put, don't be AFK
I don't have an issue with gankers (it's part of the game)
The issue is with bots.
Now people who mine, do tend to sometimes go afk - people with kids, pets, the phone rings, whatever - it happens. And you take your chances and hope. But it's a known risk. This is a far cry from people who set up a bot, or many bots, and leave them running for RMT purposes (or even just IG isk alone).
Not everyone sees it like that but that's my opinion.
Now, the other, separate, issue you brought up, is about how boring mining can be - or how people often think of it.
Understand there are some weird people out there who like it, who find it relaxing (even with the occasional gank). Not all of us play these games for the excitement. Or want it every time we play.
Some people like to build. Some people like to burn. Some people enjoy both, just not necessarily at the same time ;) Thankfully Eve is one of the few games I've found with room for all!
That being said, not that I believe you're doing other than trolling, I'll still bite ;)
So here's my list of things to do while mining (besides, duh mining):
crochet (small projects, afghans are a bit too unwieldly)
embroider
read a book (remember those things made out of paper with words on 'em?)
listen to music
read the forums ;)
post on the forums ;) ;)
watch a movie
construct plans for eve domination and current market prices in your notebook :)
All of the above at the same time.
There are many more things you can do as well.
I'm not saying mining couldn't be improved, there've been many threads on that. Someday CCP might even get to it. Don't hold your breath though. In the mean time, get over it. If you don't like afk mining - go gank :) I hear it's fun! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.22 08:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Also, you can get to know your locals. Figure out who's "safe" to have in local with you. Set them light blue so you can see new people easily.
I talked to some other miners a long time ago. Wasn't even Hulkageddon. I thought they were good people so didn't prepare for what they had planned: ganking my Orca. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2030
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:25:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Also, you can get to know your locals. Figure out who's "safe" to have in local with you. Set them light blue so you can see new people easily. I talked to some other miners a long time ago. Wasn't even Hulkageddon. I thought they were good people so didn't prepare for what they had planned: ganking my Orca.
It's called AWOXing. Same thing happens in null erryday.
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Auferre
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:23:00 -
[53] - Quote
check D-scan
surf the market for bargains
look up anyone who's just appeared in local
review saved fits
check D-scan again
check market again for backup modules for frequently used fits
search contracts for attractively priced auctions
recheck D-scan
make sure I'm still aligned
restart program on PI extractors
recheck local
re-recheck D-scan
read a couple of pages of the latest David Weber novel
make sarcastic comment in corp chat
eye that combat probe that just showed on on D-scan
check local again
etc.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:22:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local.
Non-sense, but I suppose you're right, since you spent the time and effort to study and chart the activity in EVERY SINGLE high sec system with asteroid belts in them. Oh, and I congratulate you on doing something more boring than mining for years on end. You, sir, are my new hero.
Wow, all that time spent studying all those high sec mining belts. You rock. |
Mingja
lass mich in ruhe und nerf ned
1
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
get 2 - 4 hulks , a decent hauler and a rorqual for boosting and AFK'ing won't be an issue anymore. |
Dietz0r Saraki
Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
Maybe you'd like this suggestion?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126401&find=unread
Greetings! |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
14
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'm personally a fan of (when/if I ever do mine) sending my drones careening about the belt pew-pewing the rocks because...why the hell not?
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Gallinari
Diablo Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:09:00 -
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Its so easy NOT to get ganked in a hulk.
1) Mine in a system with 10 or less in local
2) Tank your hulk!
3) check local, see how many people are there before you start mining, if the system spikes, start checking out for shady people, if you find one, warp right away.
You will almost never get ganked that way and if you do, it will be a lone ganker and he wont kill you if you tank correctly. If there are 5 people in the system and all of a sudden it spikes to 9, theres a good chance a gank group just entered the system. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries
Epsilon Fleet
4
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:55:00 -
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I find if your mining alot its pretty much afk. but mining alone is boring. What is fun if your managing a mining OP with 4-5 hulks and a plethora of other mining vessels. Getting 2 orcas one to boost the other to haul it can get pretty chaotic. Not to mention you got to watch local for gankers n such. I agree with OP that mining can be boring, and I would like CCP to do something about it. But hey, whatcha gonna do? |
Barrak
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:15:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:
There is no alternative for afk mining for me either. I'm a stay at home mother of 3 and a house wife.. I play during the day and have things I need to do while I have eve up; it happens. Mining for me was something fun to do while I was doing house work, AFK was a strickly 3 minute at a time routine.. cycle up... three minutes of vacuming.. cycle up again.. fill the dish washer.. cycle up. . make a sandwish for my son.. cycle up and fold laundry for 3 minutes... you get the idea.
How much would it cost to hire you for a week to come over and teach my wife to do all those things.......... including the housework  |
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